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#scheme 07:08:15 pipsquak: i wrote a basic record store/load to sqlite thing for myself 07:08:19 others have surely done the same 07:08:45 oh, i've even done two, one that does automatic saving to a kyoto-db, another one that does on-demand storing to sqlite3 07:14:38 (= pipsquak gavino) 07:27:27 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:29:18 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #scheme 07:30:07 isnt sqlite a normal disk backed db tho? 07:30:19 this is much different www.prevayler.org 07:33:16 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-56-58.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 07:38:07 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:42:22 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-56-58.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:43:53 -!- bjz [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:47:35 pipsquak: how is that different, if i cache all objects in ram, and only write to disk sometimes? 07:47:43 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lisps don't support native lists :) 07:50:16 hmm 07:50:26 well, not completely, that is. look at CL's elephant for an explanation 07:50:43 I mean if you use a relational database how would lisp beat naviserver and postgresql? 07:50:54 naviserver is multithreaded and uses 16 core boxes easily 07:50:56 and macros definitely do help, or example programming android with kawa scheme is much more fun, as you can define really useful macros for android 07:51:03 oh no 07:51:10 not interested in phone apps or jvm 07:51:14 yikes run away 07:51:46 why would lisp need to "beat" naviserver? it all depends on your programmers, your problem and your proposed solution 07:52:04 well Im a sysadmin 07:52:08 I love high performance 07:52:12 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:52:17 if another programming language with different technology works better, and you have the know-how and people to solve your problem, why not use that? 07:52:29 lisp needs bordeaux thereads to use 16 core machines or actor stuff or something 07:52:34 naviserver just has it 07:52:36 os threads 07:52:42 and tcl interpreter buitl in 07:52:49 so at that point why bother with lisp 07:52:53 but if like happstack 07:52:58 you can keep stuff in RAM 07:53:03 then u have huge WIN 07:53:08 blobs tay on disk of course 07:53:17 then there is a conversation about a lispy mogileFS 07:53:21 for multibox cache 07:53:27 er fileserver 07:53:33 to replace expensive SAN 07:56:29 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@c-d7b3e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:58:47 SHODAN [~shozan@c-d7b3e253.011-86-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 08:01:11 ecraven: please don't feed the troll. he'll only shut up if he's ignored. every reply he receives encourages him to fill this channel with garbage. 08:02:15 shut up mark 08:02:15 you can't reason with him. i've watched many people try to do so, and it never works. 08:02:26 thats not true 08:04:45 sorry, have to run anyway :) but i suggest you look at concrete implementations, they probably provide what you mention. some support native os threads too 08:06:08 -!- mark_weaver [~user@209-6-91-212.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:06:36 yes but nothing except cl-prevalence seems to copy 08:06:39 hm 08:06:51 mark your a dooshe 08:07:59 jao [~user@232.red-83-32-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 08:08:01 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 08:08:06 -!- jao [~user@232.red-83-32-71.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:08:06 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 08:12:46 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:12:55 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has joined #scheme 08:17:16 http://www.crystalballinc.com/vlad/software/naviserver/ 08:21:10 -!- ASau [~user@46.115.45.28] 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[~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:13:37 klutometis: well, the article is not based on a lot of strong data. The typical smooth science article. But otherwise, it feels indeed like programming languages are languages. I often ask people to just say what they mean in English (or their mothertongue), and show they how it translates directly in executable code. 22:16:49 pjb: That's interesting; I remember when I was first learning German, and went through a relatively expensive translate-from-English strategy. 22:16:58 replore [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 22:17:05 At some point, spontaneously, a think-first-in-German thing happened; but I can't explain it. 22:17:19 I wonder if there's a similar metamorphosis for programming. 22:17:58 Even decades later, though, I still find pseudocode- or English-first to be very clarifying. 22:21:41 -!- replore [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:27:34 taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has joined #scheme 22:33:42 -!- taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:38:15 taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has joined #scheme 22:40:39 lo 22:41:32 that's interesting. also, I wonder how knowing different editors come to play here. I know both vim and emacs. 22:43:14 -!- taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:43:41 -!- barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-52-216-19.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #scheme 22:45:27 -!- sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:46:47 jcowan_ [~John@cpe-74-68-121-27.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:47:16 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:49:07 sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 22:50:07 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:50:56 -!- jcowan [4a44791b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.68.121.27] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:50:59 -!- jcowan_ is now known as jcowan 22:59:18 replore [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 22:59:25 -!- replore [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:53 belabart` [~user@168-103-123-9.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 23:01:08 -!- belabartok [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:03:52 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-195-131.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:04:54 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:08:23 -!- bjz [~brendanza@CPE-121-222-141-160.lnse1.woo.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:10:12 -!- belabart` [~user@168-103-123-9.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:20:38 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:20:56 replore_ [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 23:21:31 SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.105.124] has joined #scheme 23:24:44 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.105.124] has quit [Client Quit] 23:25:42 -!- replore_ [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:28:44 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:29:07 klutometis: eventually, you realize that pseudocode is not clarifying. What's clarifying is abstraction (which you attain easily with lisp, less with other programming language). Trying to translate "algorithms" to "code" helps to understand that. Said otherwise, just use any algorithmic programming language to write your pseudo-code. 23:29:43 klutometis: See also: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/a827235ce7466a92 23:29:55 and of course, python. 23:30:09 I agree about pseudocode, not so much about prose. Code doesn't explain itself. 23:30:23 jcowan: you can write code that explains itself. 23:30:41 But I agree that we often don't take the time to do that. 23:31:05 It can't say why a given algorithm was employed, or that this code is only a hack to be removed next January. 23:31:24 Ironically, our Lisp code is not self-referential enough. 23:31:47 SrPx [~SrPx@177.98.105.124] has joined #scheme 23:31:49 (code-valid (:until 2013-01-31) (define (f x) )) 23:32:33 Would anyone like to look at my SRFI 1, 13, and 43 table, and suggest which gaps the large language should not fill in? 23:32:43 http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/ContainerSrfiComparison 23:32:50 Ie. think more declaratively than procedurally, and you can express anything in code (sexps). 23:33:15 Yes, but I can generate annotations faster than your Goedel machine can figure out what they mean! 23:34:00 Well, you can always define nop macros to make it valid code, and implement automatic semantics for them later. 23:34:12 -!- b4283 [~b4283@1-172-82-104.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:34:21 Is yours a rethorical questions? Any reason why large should not fill them all? 23:34:38 k-stz [~user@dslb-188-104-239-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 23:34:38 Some make little sense, like list-binary-search 23:34:50 I'm trying to crowdsource the detection of absurdities 23:34:57 :-) 23:34:59 for one person's absurd is another person's obvious utility. 23:35:16 What do you think about vector-zip? 23:35:23 A binary search on a string can be useful. Searching sorted characters 23:35:47 Ha, see? Nobody else has defended it yet, so your input is already useful. 23:35:51 vector-zip is useful too: zip is used to implement transpose with lists of lists. 23:36:11 I'll merge the zip procedures back into the main table, then. 23:36:34 I presume that we can live without a-lists made of vectors, though. 23:36:56 In CL strings are vectors, so you can easily make the union of those two columns (and split them again if you need it for type checking). 23:37:49 *jcowan* nods, but I have been defending Scheme's monomorphism to lots of CL/Python/Ruby/whatever programmers for a while now. 23:38:03 If there's vector-map!, why not vector-filter-map and vector-map-in-order ? 23:38:11 etc. 23:38:39 My notion is that Scheme wants you to make your own polymorphism regime, and also lets you wrap, e.g. vector-ref to understand negative indices (from-end) without interference from an overarching design for polymorphism. 23:38:57 (Scheme does of course have universal polymorphism, as in cons.) 23:39:13 jcowan: well, at a lower level it's a good thing, but at higher level, polymorphim (or more precisely, genericity) is a better thing. 23:39:23 jcowan: Agreed. 23:40:15 in CL, there's MISMATCH to test the suffix and prefix equality (and lengths). 23:40:31 It works on sequences, ie lists and vectors (including strings). 23:41:20 string-compare could be generalized into lexicographic comparisons for lists and vector, given an element lessp argument. 23:41:25 Right. I was originally going to just propose adding it arbitrarily, but then I saw it was related to the string prefix and suffix operators. 23:42:21 -!- k-stz [~user@dslb-188-104-239-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:43:11 That'll be all for tonight. Good night. 23:43:52 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:44:18 Thanks, pjb 23:52:56 -!- kuribas [~user@94-227-88-230.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)]