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However did you extract the bitmaps from your recalcitrant device? 03:48:09 I, uh, cheated and used adb on a Mac. 03:52:16 bonch [~bonch@h115.50.155.207.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #scheme 03:58:04 spiderweb: For me, fun. Python is nice when I want to get something done, but Scheme, in addition to getting things done, I also enjoy just fooling around with aimlessly. Before Scheme, programming was always a means to an end - now it's an addiction. 03:58:14 Riastradh, ah! Well, that worked nicely! 03:59:06 Euthy: you can get things done in scheme?! 03:59:17 Unthinkable 03:59:42 it happens from time to time 03:59:51 offby1: I didn't say you couldn't. 04:00:09 offby1: Oh, wait. :) 04:00:32 doesn't guile aim to let you get things done with scheme? 04:00:38 guix is a real project 04:01:36 spiderweb: many people are of the opinion that you can get things done in $scheme_implementation but not in scheme itself 04:02:01 *sigh* 04:02:04 as usual, what ijp said 04:05:46 spiderweb: Why are you learning Scheme? 04:06:57 aidalgol [~user@114-134-9-191.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 04:07:19 tertl3 [~William@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:07:55 Euthy: I'm currently watch sicp lectures from berkeley webcast. they use python, but write a scheme interpretor near the end. once I finish those lectures I will watch the classic lectures and read the original book. I want to try new things, and I'm wondering if scheme will let me do this. 04:09:03 *offby1* has a heart attack 04:09:08 SICP using Python. The end is nigh. 04:09:50 BLASPHEMY!! 04:11:15 spiderweb: What kinds of things? 04:12:07 eventually I would be interested in machine learning, music applications (lilypond is an example), and other random things.. 04:12:53 also, things like guix would be interesting too, a very practical use. 04:13:16 What makes you think Scheme has something more to offer than Python, for those things? 04:13:38 that's why I'm asking? :-) 04:14:31 spiderweb: scheme is a beautiful language with no libraries. 04:14:43 particular implementations of scheme have moderate libraries. 04:14:57 But nothing approaching what you'd get with Python, Ruby, Perl, Java ... 04:15:13 so for writing real code, where your time is worth money, nobody uses Scheme. 04:15:47 guile lets you embed scheme in applications as an extension language though, right? 04:16:00 sure 04:16:25 spiderweb: assuming the application is written in C, yes. 04:16:30 when's the last time you saw one of those? 04:16:35 guix 04:16:38 lilypond 04:17:47 anyway, what plans are being made to add more standard libraries? if any.. 04:18:25 lol 04:19:07 "r7rs large" is a nominal "big standard library for scheme", but I am (to put it mildly) sceptical 04:19:14 not least, because it doesn't exist yet 04:20:05 also, I assume, it will continue Scheme's tradition of not talking to the OS. 04:21:25 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-154-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 04:22:45 even if I don't use scheme as an everyday language, I'm thinking that it may change the way I think about things, and I might program in other languages differently after learning scheme. 04:24:13 spiderweb: That's probably true. 04:26:30 so what kinds of scheme projects are you guys working on? 04:27:43 *rudybot* clears throat 04:28:03 *pyro-* looks at rudybot with interest 04:29:11 *rudybot* blushes 04:31:13 oh, one question. If I write a scheme interpretor in python, could scheme then take advantage of python's libraries? 04:31:50 I don't see why not. 04:31:54 It'd be dog-slow though. 04:32:05 a pythonic scheme interpreter 04:32:32 I know I don't have a chance in hell of convincing you, but really, we don't need more scheme interpreters. 04:32:49 sure we do! 04:32:51 rudybot: what's the total now? 100000? 04:32:52 ijp: yeah I did the obsd ports entry. total crap. 04:32:53 ijp: it would be for a learning exercise. 04:32:54 also more cat videos. 04:33:10 offby1: I would be interested in more videos of cats coding in scheme 04:35:31 ijp: there's probably a few of those if you look carefully. 04:35:33 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-223-32.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 04:35:44 I mean, apart from the ones that you and I have already uploaded. 04:40:31 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #scheme 05:10:45 -!- foof` [~user@li126-140.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:14:15 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:14:16 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@193.200.211.74] has joined #scheme 05:15:00 foof` [~user@li126-140.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 05:19:16 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-9-191.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:24:35 jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:46:18 -!- ijp [~user@host31-52-23-169.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:53:02 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:03:40 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@209-6-30-187.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 06:22:34 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:27:09 -!- spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:29:28 spiderweb [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 06:33:17 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:38:45 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:47:17 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 06:53:14 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:09:26 aidalgol [~user@114-134-9-191.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 07:12:11 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:12 -!- youlysses-ZZZzzz is now known as youlysses-study 07:21:12 answer_42 [~answer_42@ip82-139-81-70.lijbrandt.net] has joined #scheme 07:22:43 -!- bonch [~bonch@h115.50.155.207.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: The computer fell asleep] 07:25:42 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-161.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 07:27:06 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #scheme 07:29:49 -!- spiderweb [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:30:18 spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 07:31:03 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-9-191.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:33:18 hi 07:33:32 how is the scheme to C compiler? 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doesn't seem to be there either 15:00:37 I'm up for using another implementation that'll output C code 15:00:51 if you have any suggestions 15:04:23 -!- bniels [~niels@p4FD6D173.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 15:06:16 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #scheme 15:10:18 especially considering I can't even find fold, foldr, or foldl 15:13:04 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #scheme 15:13:06 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 15:15:40 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-137-120.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:28:14 huseby [~huseby@gateway/tor-sasl/huseby] has joined #scheme 15:38:29 -!- huseby [~huseby@gateway/tor-sasl/huseby] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39:14 -!- wingo [~wingo@245.pool80-102-204.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:39:21 hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has joined #scheme 15:40:02 huseby [~huseby@gateway/tor-sasl/huseby] has joined #scheme 15:44:15 Maybe Chicken, but I'm not very knowledgeable about either implementation. 15:46:59 chicken ships with irregex 15:47:22 which provides irregex-replace/all 15:48:18 I thought I would check out racket, seems like it might be more popular. thoughts? 15:50:12 racket doesn't compile to C, so unless you've changed your requirements ... :-) 15:50:46 mmc [~michal@178-85-56-58.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 15:51:21 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:51:43 als string-translate* from the data-structures unit (which is built in chicken) http://wiki.call-cc.org/man/4/Unit%20data-structures#string-translate 15:51:47 also* 15:52:47 wingo [~wingo@245.pool80-102-204.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 15:52:56 haha 15:53:06 well my requirements were compiles to C only because I expected it to be the fastest output 15:53:32 (string-translate* "foofoo" '(("foo" . 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(if (= (+ 1 1) 2) (str) ("not hello world")) 18:23:34 str 18:23:51 (str) tries to execute it as a function, which then fails because "hello world" is not a function 18:24:02 ah, but str will give me "hello world" instead of ("hello world") 18:24:23 gotcha, that makes sense 18:24:38 Oh, if you wanted to return the list, you'd want to quote it 18:24:49 (if COND '(str) '(some other return value)) 18:25:13 what's odd is '(str) is just (str) 18:26:19 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:27:08 -!- saac [~saac@a85-138-109-155.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Changing host] 18:27:08 saac [~saac@unaffiliated/saac] has joined #scheme 18:27:34 think I need (list str) 18:27:38 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 18:28:10 Er.. ('str) even ;) 18:28:19 wait.. bah.. I can't think. Been a long day 18:28:22 Also I should depart 18:29:21 np, thanks! :) 18:35:05 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Quit: francisl] 18:37:31 jroes: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/sicp.html 18:40:30 jroes: (if (= (+ 1 1) 2) ((lambda (x) x) "hello world") "Moonshadow") 18:41:06 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #scheme 18:44:39 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:07:00 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:09:16 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has joined #scheme 19:10:26 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-52-221-236.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #scheme 19:10:39 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:13:58 Mike3620 [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/mike3620] has joined #scheme 19:14:12 http://www.linkedin.com/in/mike3620 <-- join up with me on linkedin peoples. 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