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It should be easy. 01:48:54 Aethaeryn: I wouldn't be surprised if you could mutate the former, but get an error if you tried to mutate the latter. 01:51:53 I just can't think of a concrete example. 01:52:18 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:52:56 conceivably (eqv? '(1 2 3) '(1 2 3)) -> #t but (eqv? (list 1 2 3) (list 1 2 3)) should definitely be #f 01:53:29 Not in chibi-scheme. 01:53:39 though this hinges upon '(1 2 3) being treated as immutable, which is, IIRC, in the standard, but not actually followed widely 01:53:54 eq? and eqv? for both is only #t if they're the same one like (eqv? foo foo) where foo is '(1 2 3) or (list 1 2 3) 01:53:56 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Quit: (quit :reason 'sleep)] 01:53:58 in chibi-scheme 01:54:34 b4283 [~b4283@60-249-196-111.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 01:54:35 (map (lambda (l) (+ 1 l)) '(1 2 3)) ; This also works. 01:55:19 And guile and racket, too 01:56:18 there is a huge difference between is allowed, and is 01:57:48 okay, so, 4.1.2 in r5rs "It is an error to alter a constant (i.e. the value of a literal expression) using a mutation procedure like set-car! or string-set!" 01:58:00 ympbyc [~ympbyc@p35134-ipbffx02marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 01:58:41 now, as we all know, it is an error doesn't mean anything in particular 01:59:59 Perfect. 02:00:29 (define foo '(1 2 3)) (define bar (list 1 2 3)) (set-car! bar 50) (set-car! foo 50) 02:00:38 foo is an error, bar is not. 02:02:24 so foo is always (1 2 3) while bar is now (50 2 3) 02:03:08 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 02:03:32 and if an implementation says, well '(1 2 3) can't change and '(1 2 3) can't change, so I can make them the same object, then you'd get the behaviour for eqv? I suggested above 02:04:02 of course, this is scheme, so you can't rely on anything 02:04:32 offby1: I believe I did post an implementation on #emacs before, but I'd need to look it up 02:08:12 offby1: (defverb (botsnack) "a treat" (reply "my favourite snack!")) should do it, no? 02:09:07 might well. 02:09:15 I was hoping for something a bit more exciting. 02:09:30 or snarky. 02:09:42 Onionnion|Eee [~ryan@adsl-68-254-160-100.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 02:09:52 fine, I'll see what I can do 02:11:27 I think I also had a fix for that action bug before too 02:11:48 s/too// 02:16:34 really? That'd be nice, since I am not at all sure it's easy to fix 02:16:37 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:18:37 how difficult is it to set up a testing instance of rudybot? 02:25:54 -!- carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 02:28:37 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-149-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:34:19 reasonably easy, as long as you don't use the latest racket (5.3) -- there's some sorta core-dumping bug :-( 02:34:53 install racket; git-clone the bot; stick some IRC credentials into your ~/.racket/prefs-whatever file, then run ... uh ... ./freenode-main.rkt, I think 02:35:01 you'd think I'd know that, wouldn't you 02:35:11 yeah 02:36:11 eh, I'm sure I'll figure it out 02:37:09 it's something of a mess. 02:37:27 I find that I'm not motivated to work on it, perhaps because nobody is paying me to work on it. How sad. 02:49:24 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 02:56:45 bjz [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 02:57:33 spiderweb [43008bfb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.0.139.251] has joined #scheme 02:58:40 Onionnion|Eee_ [~ryan@adsl-68-254-160-100.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 02:58:59 -!- Onionnion|Eee_ [~ryan@adsl-68-254-160-100.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:59:08 -!- Onionnion|Eee [~ryan@adsl-68-254-160-100.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:29 Onionnion|Eee [~ryan@adsl-68-254-160-100.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 03:06:38 -!- dnolen [~user@96.224.16.41] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:10:27 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 03:14:34 metasyntax|work: I'll take a look. 03:16:44 Aethaeryn: That's from a very old hack in chibi that was never really legal, I'll change it. 03:23:20 -!- 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