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I'm kinda lost on finding something 01:53:34 Onionnion|Eee: What's the past experience with programming? What languages have you worked with? 01:53:42 s/the/your/ 01:54:38 mark_weaver, Just imperitive languages. I know Python and know the high-level "fundamentals" and the basics of C/C++ 01:55:24 Lua, too 01:56:36 No experience with functional, just trying to learn it essentially 01:56:45 m4burns [m4burns@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 01:57:14 In that case, learning how to use Scheme effectively will be as much about becoming familiar with other styles of programming as learning about the language itself. 01:57:49 How are you at math? Do you know calculus? If so, how easy/hard did you find it? 01:57:50 Yeah, I'm choosing between concentrating on either Haskell or Scheme right now 01:58:45 mark_weaver, love math, but I'm rather behind it right now as school does not make it fun but stuff online does. No, don't know calculus (yet) but I'm trying to online sometime. probably khan academy 01:58:58 Choose Scheme. Haskell programmers are weird and they smell funny. 01:59:02 haha 02:00:55 To reiterate, you should try Scheme first. 02:01:19 I'm tempted to recommend SICP (Structure and Intepretation of Computer Programs). 02:01:20 yeah probably 02:01:25 Even if you get acquainted with Haskell and love it more later, 02:01:32 Scheme is better choice to start from. 02:01:32 Funny, I was just starting to read that 02:01:51 though some of it assumes that you know about differentiation. I don't know how much of a problem it will be to not know that. 02:02:16 What is that exactly? 02:02:17 I don't know if Brown published any video lectures on simpler course than the current one. 02:02:29 Onionnion|Eee, honestly, I'll say it straight up: if you start with Scheme, you'll spend less time figuring out non-intuitive stuff and more time expanding your brain, at least in the first, say, four hours. 02:03:11 http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ 02:04:14 SICP is a famous textbook, used in the introductory programming course at MIT for about 30 years. It's now available online for free, and there are also freely available video lectures of the course available. 02:04:30 http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ 02:06:52 Onionnion|Eee: Lisp in-general is really fun! I've actually started looking into SICP for scheme fairly seriously, but for me that's just more-so planning for the future. I've been doing alot of elisp, but that's because I'm extremely invested in emacs, but scheme for a first lisp is great! And depending on your comprehension level SICP is just dandy! :-) 02:09:09 Watching the vids, much easier than reading for me personally but I'll follow along in the book 02:10:46 Onionnion|Eee: The video-lectures are great, but yeah, I'd follow the book too. Is this just your first lisp, or your first language in-general? 02:10:46 Onionnion|Eee: my only recommendation is that it's really important to do a bunch of the exercises in each section. 02:11:11 If you don't, your understanding of the material will become increasingly superficial as you go deeper into the book. 02:11:24 (you might be able to get away with it early on, but not later) 02:11:54 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:05 youlysses, I know imperitive. I know Python, Lua, and basics of C/C++ 02:12:05 Onionnion|Eee: I'd also say that learning Haskell is definitely worthwhile, but I recommend learning Scheme first. 02:12:24 I'll look into scheme tomorrow probably. these lectures are good 02:12:39 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [] 02:13:10 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@209-6-30-187.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 02:13:25 bjz [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 02:13:51 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 02:15:39 Onionnion|Eee: I have actually a very similar background, and I really don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing. Depending on/if you have preconcieved notions about compsci, lisp can completly "destroy your world", in the best way possible. :-) 02:16:05 So can Forth, in the worst way possible! 02:16:23 Ditto APL, in the most interesting but arguably least useful way possible. 02:19:40 APL may have its uses, just like R (another rather horrible language) has. 02:19:51 Forth... 02:19:53 Well... 02:19:59 gnomon: Well I suppose any language/enviroment could theortically do-so in either a postive or negative manor depending on a number of factors. But really, there's no other language (or family), atleast that I know of, that has a such a clear-cut example of what it can do than with Lisp via Emacs. That being said, I'm quite biased ... ;-) 02:20:39 *youlysses* will admit that elisp still kind-of sucks though. :-P 02:21:09 ASau, I speak ill against APL only because I love using APL variants so very much! (I am absolutely overjoyed that J is now open source!) 02:21:32 Is it? 02:21:35 I mean J. 02:21:56 To my mind, what really distinguishes Scheme (and Lisp) is its ability gracefully accommodate just about any style of programming, even ones that have not yet been invented, whereas most other languages are heavily optimized for one style of programming, and other styles are quite awkward. 02:23:00 gnomon: I mean that APL occupies rather well-defined niche in NA and statistics. 02:23:18 ASau, http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Source 02:23:19 gnomon: while Forth has been kicked away from where it has been. 02:23:35 With Scheme, if you want, you can pretty much decide how you *wish* you could write a program, and then mould the language to make that possible. (assuming that your wishes were well-conceived) 02:23:59 astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-247-103.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 02:24:52 *ASau* wants more or less sane limited continuations in Scheme. 02:25:28 ASau, almost all serious APL users whom I know are quants working for financial services companies. 02:25:52 ...though that may say more about me and the city I live in that it does about APL. (I work a couple of blocks from where Iverson used to live and work.) 02:26:18 whoa! 02:26:35 gnomon: I only learned recently that I grew up a 15-minute drive from Bell Labs :-| 02:26:56 Gasp! 02:26:58 *gnomon* gasps 02:27:08 I have gasped! 02:28:21 He has been gasping 02:28:24 gnomon: there's major difference between APL and Forth. 02:28:40 I had noticed that, ASau! 02:28:46 Linear algebra is fundamental block that is the same in any language. 02:29:20 realitygrill [~realitygr@209-6-30-187.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 02:29:21 ASau: you mentioned Brown. any particular reason? (I ask because I'm a Brown alum) 02:29:46 mark_weaver: I've learned that they are broadcasting some course currently. 02:29:52 But it isn't beginner one. 02:30:24 *nod* 02:30:34 (I thought about following it, but couldn't keep track due to my stressed schedule.) 02:31:33 Hence my question whether they publish some simpler course 02:31:43 one that Onionnion|Eee might be interested in. 02:32:13 I'm not familiar with their current offerings. 02:33:09 Excuse me I'm watching the lectures 02:33:11 these are good 02:33:18 yes, they are! :) 02:33:19 I forgot that SICP lectures. 02:33:26 ...are public. 02:33:43 -!- pothos [~pothos@1-164-210-115.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:55 Damn sclerosis :) 02:34:29 ASau: what do you mean by "more or less sane limited continuations"? what do you think of delimited continuations as implemented by several modern scheme implementations? 02:35:06 i.e. delimited/composable/partial continuations. 02:35:11 Not to sound like gavino, 02:35:31 but I want to see some cool implementation with explanation and examples. 02:36:43 I have read a pair of papers on those, but they still bend my mind rather hard. 02:36:59 Though I admit that they make more sense due to limited extent. 02:37:01 pothos [~pothos@114-25-202-71.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 02:37:01 call-with-current-conedison-explosion 02:37:56 At least they don't involve operating full causality cones. :D 02:38:25 Con Edison operated a full causality cone. The lower third of Manhattan lies somewhere in it! 02:38:46 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-51-49.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:39:49 Anyway, I'm back to fixing the bloody GCC. 02:40:13 I need Fortran and it stopped building. 02:42:37 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:49:58 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:38 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:51:37 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 02:51:43 -!- astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-247-103.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:52:41 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@209-6-30-187.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 02:53:50 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #scheme 03:06:59 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 03:07:13 pothos_ [~pothos@114-36-226-140.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 03:07:15 -!- pothos [~pothos@114-25-202-71.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:07:23 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 03:08:24 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-56-58.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:13:18 Anyone heard from jcowan tonight? 03:13:53 Maybe he's out filling sandbags 03:17:36 Riastradh, not I. 03:18:06 Riastradh: I have this vague notion that you too are on the East Coast somewhere. 03:18:14 NYC doesn't sound like a fun place to be in right now. 03:18:14 Last I heard from him was yesterday about SRFI-106. 03:18:20 offby1, yeah, but nowhere near the fun. 03:18:22 Just a bit breezy here. 03:18:50 -!- evhan [evhan@206.125.172.106] has quit [Changing host] 03:18:50 evhan [evhan@pdpc/supporter/active/evhan] has joined #scheme 03:18:54 Breezy can be bad. A lady was killed a few streets away from where I live by a wind-propelled traffic sign about eight hours ago. 03:19:06 eww 03:19:13 Yikes. 03:19:31 Well, I don't think the wind is propelling any traffic signs around here. Just a bunch of twigs and maybe some branches here and there. 03:21:23 I'm truly hoping the 'cane will be a "let-down" 03:21:30 -!- tokiya [~tokiya@210.24.42.190] has left #scheme 03:21:37 i.e., in a few days people will be saying "aw, that wasn't nearly as bad as they made it sound" 03:21:41 Um, I think you're a little late for that, offby1. 03:22:36 Cars are floating on Wall Street. Con Edison's headquarters practically exploded. Atlantic City has become Atlantis. 03:22:51 -!- evhan [evhan@pdpc/supporter/active/evhan] has left #scheme 03:23:18 Really? 03:23:23 juanfra__ [juanfra684@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xkwrwpbhlnftczob] has joined #scheme 03:23:32 Are there really cars floating on Wall Street? 03:23:36 Cool! 03:23:44 That's what the New York Times says. 03:23:49 Is there hamburger all over the highway in Mystic, Connecticut? 03:25:09 -!- bjz [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 03:29:52 I can't tell because the hurricane took down the mystichighwaycam. 03:30:13 evhan [evhan@pdpc/supporter/active/evhan] has joined #scheme 03:30:20 Did Indians really invent the wire recorder? 03:30:24 IS EVERYTHING I KNOW WRONG?! 03:31:09 Only the things They told you are wrong. But don't worry -- we guarantee eternal salvation or DOUBLE your money back! 03:31:20 *offby1* checks his receipt 03:32:46 Don't crush that receipt; hand me those pliers! 03:33:06 :) 03:33:15 s/those/the/ but you're young yet 03:37:23 Well, excuse me for mixing up demonstratives and articles by grammatical analogy with `put down that pickle'. Articles are a newfangled addition to English, anyway; demonstratives were good enough for Beowulf. 03:42:46 amoe_ [~amoe@host-78-147-169-30.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 03:44:06 -!- samth [~samth@racket/samth] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:45:14 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-111-80.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:45:46 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Quit: (quit :reason 'sleep)] 03:48:01 Some researchers claim that we're getting articles in spoken language. 03:48:31 `We' as in Russians? 03:48:36 Perhaps, we should shoot more for illiteracy. 03:48:40 Yes. 03:48:53 Curious. How might you spell them? 03:49:00 -!- youlysses is now known as youlysses_ZZZZzz 03:49:36 AFAIR, they talk about demonstratives and some surrogates used as articles. 03:51:36 It is hard to judge how true it is, 03:52:04 since we don't have articles, at least officially, and were never taught about them, 03:52:29 thus it involves deeper understanding of linguistics. 03:54:21 It's about as hard as talking about those remnants of vocative and two (or three?) other cases. 03:58:36 Anyway, it's a trifle past my bedtime now. 03:59:46 Hm. 03:59:56 It seems I'm a bit wrong on vocative. 04:00:12 We have two(!) vocative cases. 04:11:11 haha wo 04:11:13 wow 04:11:22 Lisp just made me finally understand functional programming 04:11:54 zing! 04:13:22 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:17:26 bjz [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 04:22:39 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 04:24:11 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:24:11 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:24:12 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 04:24:27 confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 04:35:01 -!- Onionnion|Eee [~ryan@adsl-68-254-167-6.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:37:50 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-198-239.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:45:45 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-234-7.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 04:50:31 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 04:54:07 -!- bro_grammer [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:55:44 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:00:27 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:06:35 astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-247-103.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 05:16:04 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-56-238.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #scheme 05:18:11 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 05:23:16 madmuppet [~user@122-62-124-247.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 05:24:22 slucx [~user@115.60.118.42] has joined #scheme 05:25:04 astertronistic: you were asking earlier about a division operator that corresponds to modulo. 05:25:25 I have been away from scheme for a while and I have just tried (cons 'a(cons 'b ())) in both guile and ikarus scheme with errors. it works like it used to in mit scheme so can someone explain what is happening? 05:25:58 astertronistic: R6RS has 'div' and 'mod'. R7RS was going to have a good set of division operators but unfortunately they were voted out. But Guile 2.0 has the full set (I implemented them myself) 05:27:00 cool thanks! 05:27:13 I use guile too! 05:27:13 astertronistic: see http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Arithmetic.html 05:28:35 the euclidean set of operators is closest to the div and mod you probably learned about in school. the floor set is pretty good too (and corresponds to R5RS modulo) 05:29:32 yeah, the subtle differences between the typical truncating division and the euclidean division can cause so many subtle bugs 05:30:08 trying to implement euclidean style from the other one is not so simple 05:30:27 like if the quotient is zero 05:30:34 indeed, and not so efficient either. but the guile operators were made as efficient as I could make them. 05:30:43 cool 05:31:07 they even work properly for exact rationals and floats. 05:31:25 huh, that's nice 05:31:46 madmuppet: you need to quote the '() 05:32:11 rudybot: (cons 'a (cons 'b '())) 05:32:11 astertronistic: your sandbox is ready 05:32:12 astertronistic: ; Value: (a b) 05:32:59 I guess MIT allows () to be self-quoting as a special case, but in standard scheme all lists need to be quoted, including the empty list. 05:33:33 mark_weaver: thanks thats just the answer I was looking for 05:34:54 superjudge [~mjl@37-46-176-69.customers.ownit.se] has joined #scheme 05:35:27 mark_weaver:works fine thanks again ..(: 05:35:37 madmuppet: glad to help :) 05:42:24 -!- snorble_ [~snorble@213.101.209.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:42:37 snorble_ [~snorble@213.101.209.229] has joined #scheme 05:46:45 -!- youlysses_ZZZZzz [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52:39 -!- slucx [~user@115.60.118.42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:28 slucx [~user@115.60.118.42] has joined #scheme 06:05:52 -!- madmuppet [~user@122-62-124-247.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:00 jewel 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[~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 19:21:20 so wise guys 19:21:36 i have just finished the 4th lecture of SICP 19:21:44 4a to be precise 19:21:53 but i didn't get any of it 19:22:15 what was it ? 19:22:21 like he talks about some abstract expression solving machine that he doesn't shows up all code of 19:22:34 is it like normal ? 19:22:50 or i'm too dumb to understand that stuff? 19:23:03 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-51-49.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 19:23:23 you just should skip stuff you don't understand on the first read, then come back later to it..... 19:23:55 is there source code somewhere for those lectures/ 19:23:57 ? 19:25:44 there's a solutions on the net 19:25:51 google for sicp solutions 19:26:07 but try all first yourself, if you end up not being able to consult it.... 19:28:21 oh meta-level stuff that is..... 19:30:39 i don't see a 4a tho, only exercise 4.1 if you meant that..... 19:30:54 -!- Natch 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Otherwise you are likely to become increasingly confused as you progress into the material. 20:43:11 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-51-49.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 20:43:11 passive learning doesn't work very well. you must learn by doing. I suspect you just went too far without practice. 20:51:11 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 20:55:53 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:57:47 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:01:36 mark_weaver: I second this; passive learning is a hubris of the uncommitted. 21:08:06 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:17:34 -!- Negdayen [~jacob@184.2.192.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18:55 civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has joined #scheme 21:21:04 Onionnion|Eee [~ryan@adsl-68-254-167-6.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 21:26:45 githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:28:53 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@209-6-30-187.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 21:30:31 add^_ [~add^_@m90-131-125-157.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 21:52:45 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:58 -!- bjz [~brendanza@CPE-123-211-77-67.lnse4.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:00:27 bjz [~brendanza@CPE-123-211-77-67.lnse4.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 22:02:44 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 22:04:41 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #scheme 22:04:51 copec [~copec@64.244.102.140] has joined #scheme 22:07:05 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #scheme 22:10:42 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:01 realitygrill [~realitygr@209-6-30-187.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 22:18:04 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@209-6-30-187.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - 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