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20:56:28 -!- elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has quit [Quit: best short-url ever. ] 20:56:28 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.30.38] has joined #scheme 20:56:44 elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has joined #scheme 20:57:04 -!- elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has quit [Client Quit] 20:58:07 I have to say that learning Scheme is a curse. I'm trying to learn Haskell and every piece of syntax seems complicated. I not quite sure what is an operator, an operand, etc. ;) 20:58:47 Hah yes... 20:58:58 Scheme does that 20:59:39 They say if you want to lose weight, think of your favorite food, then go eat the super-expensive world-class version of it. Afterwards, you'll be so disgusted by the cheap run-of-the-mill crap that you've _been_ eating, that you'll give it up. 20:59:56 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:59 in `(+ 0 1 2)', `+' is the operator and `0',`1',`2' are operands 21:01:22 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-51-49.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 21:02:07 elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has joined #scheme 21:02:29 The lobster, unlike you and I, has his skeleton on the outside. 21:03:19 offby1: but indeed Haskell has advantages (just trying to discover the others besides tidy syntax) 21:03:29 laziness, for one 21:03:32 speed for another 21:04:05 Types are pretty nifty. 21:04:25 wait .. what has the better syntax ? 21:04:35 Purity is also nice. 21:05:28 i thought you meant to say it's Haskell that has the insane syntax :P scheme could be taught to a 10 year-old if you ask me, maybe you don't have any good resources 21:06:43 or wait .. did i double-misunderstand that ? 21:07:18 taylanub: tidy syntax doesn't mean easy-to-understand. It is clean, but every part of it has a meaning 21:09:39 so it's Haskell whose syntax you find confusing, right ? that'd be understandable. i didn't really try to learn it yet .. 21:12:57 taylanub: at first glance, yes. It is like learning to analyse x-ray films. At first you see nothing. After a while practising you see even the soul of the patient. 21:16:34 -!- saccadewrk [saccadewrk@nat/google/x-xwfvuxvsbtcbqhto] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:17:27 -!- uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:57 -!- dan64 [dan64@dannyadam.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:20:36 dan64 [dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #scheme 21:22:10 is there anything I can read that explains scheme's pattern language for macros by comparison to what similar macros would look like in common lisp? 21:22:52 h 21:24:22 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-54-12.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 21:25:49 mark_weaver [~user@TURNTABLE.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 21:26:44 -!- elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has quit [Quit: best short-url ever. ] 21:29:23 -!- atsidi [~nkraft_@184.75.208.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving, leaving, gone...] 21:33:05 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:33:08 elliottcable [~me@ell.io] has joined #scheme 21:38:23 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 21:38:45 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:39:53 Dalek_Baldwin : are you thinking about simple patterns, or ones including `...' ? 21:40:16 yeah, with ... 21:40:37 I'm still fuzzy on what kinds of macros are and aren't possible 21:44:19 Jayrays [~jayrays@unaffiliated/jayrays] has joined #scheme 21:45:41 -!- ComradeBlack [~ComradeBl@unaffiliated/comradeblack] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:46:23 ` ...' matches each form in a sequence of forms with `', each variable in it will implicitly stand for a sequence of corresponding sub-forms 21:47:25 well 21:47:32 rudybot: eval (let-syntax ((foo (syntax-rules () ((foo (a b) ...) '(a ... b ...))))) (foo (0 1) (2 3) (4 5) (6 7))) 21:47:32 ski: your sandbox is ready 21:47:33 ski: ; Value: (0 2 4 6 1 3 5 7) 21:48:27 here `a' stands for the sequence `0',`2',`4',`6' and `b' stands for the sequence `1',`3',`5',`7' 21:48:44 rudybot: eval (let-syntax ((foo (syntax-rules () ((foo (a b) ...) '((+ a) ... (- b) ...))))) (foo (0 1) (2 3) (4 5) (6 7))) 21:48:45 ski: ; Value: ((+ 0) (+ 2) (+ 4) (+ 6) (- 1) (- 3) (- 5) (- 7)) 21:48:55 I tried doing something like this http://paste.lisp.org/display/132850 with sc-macro-transformer but it doesn't work, so I'm wondering if I can do something equivalent with the pattern language 21:49:26 since `a' expands to a sequence `0',`2',`4',`6', `(+ a)' will expand to a sequence `(+ 0)',`(+ 2)',`(+ 4)',`(+ 6)' 21:49:48 the anonymous function turns out to be #!unspecific at expansion time 21:50:37 okay, that looks roughly like the kind of transformation I'm trying to do 21:51:38 ComradeBlack [~ComradeBl@unaffiliated/comradeblack] has joined #scheme 21:53:12 *ski* isn't very familiar with `sc-macro-transformer' 21:53:30 hm 21:54:01 do you want `,@' instead of `,', just outside the `map' call ? 21:54:37 it works the way I want when I rewrite it as a function and apply it to a quoted form 21:55:13 (yes or no ?) 21:55:21 no I don't 21:55:24 I mean 21:55:26 yes I do 21:55:26 heh 21:55:27 sorry 21:55:38 it's correct in principle 21:55:40 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:55:53 but the macro system won't let me apply that lambda form 21:56:06 with just `,' it will expand to a combination of all the `add-method' calls 21:56:31 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:56:52 oh actually you may be right 21:57:47 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 22:00:51 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-9.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:53 superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 22:02:16 Nine_9 [~quassel@187.10.12.24] has joined #scheme 22:02:52 okay this might be working now 22:06:08 -!- wingo [~wingo@132-117.192-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:06:53 awesome, it works! 22:08:34 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:08:44 evillyEvil [9e79ea0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.158.121.234.11] has joined #scheme 22:08:52 Hello eerybody, 22:09:09 -!- evillyEvil is now known as Guest72269 22:09:31 If I do this: 22:09:32 (define foo (lambda lambda)) 22:09:42 What 'kind of thing' would I get by doing 22:09:48 (car foo) 22:10:32 rudybot: eval (define foo (lambda lambda)) 22:10:32 ski: error: #:1:12: lambda: bad syntax in: (lambda lambda) 22:10:36 -!- wilbowma [~bluephoen@hulk.soic.indiana.edu] has left #scheme 22:10:47 oops, I meant 22:10:54 (define foo (list lambda lambda)) 22:12:40 ski: ^ 22:12:49 rudybot: ^ 22:12:49 Guest72269: eh? Try "rudybot: help". 22:13:15 rudybot: eval (define foo (list lambda lambda)) 22:13:15 ski: error: #:1:18: lambda: bad syntax in: lambda 22:13:18 Wait, ossry, is "rudybot" a bot? 22:13:34 rudybot: are you a bot, sir? 22:13:35 ski: No no, sir, those are my panties... 22:14:09 SlitazMint [~ivar@189.38.208.184] has joined #scheme 22:15:28 -!- mark_weaver [~user@TURNTABLE.MIT.EDU] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:16:19 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 22:16:55 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 22:17:20 -!- ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:22:24 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 22:25:40 rudybot: eval (define foo (list x x)) 22:25:40 Euthy`: your sandbox is ready 22:25:40 Euthy`: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: x in module: 'program 22:26:37 rudybot: eval (define foo (let ((lambda 42)) (list lambda lambda))) 22:26:37 Euthy`: Done. 22:26:58 Why is (define foo (list lambda lambda)) a syntax error? 22:32:42 ssbr_ [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has joined #scheme 22:37:58 Purilla [~chatzilla@122-57-113-149.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 22:39:23 -!- snorble_ [~snorble@213.101.209.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:36 snorble_ [~snorble@213.101.209.229] has joined #scheme 22:39:50 Euthy` : because `lambda' is a syntax keyword 22:40:24 in your `let' example, you locally made a new variable named `lambda', shadowing the syntax binding for it 22:41:11 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 22:45:38 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-149-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:46:43 -!- Guest72269 [9e79ea0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.158.121.234.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:49:33 I see. 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