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[~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:20:47 ComradeBlack, what is mathematics? 06:22:16 kilimanjaro: I'm suddenly very optimistic. 06:22:27 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:23:25 To understand Lisp you don't need mathematics, but you do need clear thinking. 06:24:21 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:24:40 What do you mean exactly? Focus? Patience? 06:26:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:27:39 Just simply that to write a lisp program, or to understand one, requires having some reasonable mental model of how lisp works, and consistently applying it. 06:28:03 But you don't need any mathematical facts for this. 06:30:22 SlitazMint [~ivar@189.38.208.184] has joined #scheme 06:31:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:31:24 I think I understand. I'll probably poke my head up with questions every once in a while if that's alright :) 06:31:27 ComradeBlack: Inspration 06:33:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:34:33 mmc2 [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has joined #scheme 06:37:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:39:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:44:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:46:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:49:59 cibs [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #scheme 06:50:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:51:16 -!- SlitazMint [~ivar@189.38.208.184] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:51:47 -!- sizz [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:52:41 sizz [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 06:52:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:54:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.130] has joined #scheme 06:54:06 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.130] has quit [Changing host] 06:54:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 06:54:22 lisp is handy if you are into math, but you can learn and use lisp without knowing math 06:56:05 (define (dot v1 v2) (apply + (map * v1 v2))) 06:56:10 things like that 06:56:21 it's just very convenient 06:57:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:59:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 06:59:41 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #scheme 07:00:30 sizz_ [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 07:00:39 Programing requires logical thinking just like math, in my opinion. 07:00:52 -!- sizz [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:01:31 BTW, is Lisp used anywhere in the industry, or is it just for academics and followers of the One True Editor? 07:03:15 yes 07:03:29 I'm not so worried about logical thinking. I was more concerned about having to learn two subjects at the same time. 07:03:32 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:03:58 there's one LispWorks that produces commercial common lisp compilres 07:04:10 *compilers* 07:05:44 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:05:50 there are some more. Also there are some commercial schemes out there. Plus a couple of applications use it as their extension language 07:05:57 but why worry about this? 07:06:27 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-138-87.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:07:01 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:07:03 some interest wouldn't hurt though 07:10:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:14:30 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:14:34 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:15:14 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-116.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 07:15:49 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #scheme 07:15:49 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 07:15:49 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 07:18:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:21:12 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:25:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:40 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:27:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:28:14 cool. I've just never heard of lisp outside the world of Emacs/Linux. But I'm just starting to learn lisp. 07:28:34 *impaktor* 's at chapter 2 in SICP. 07:31:03 that's scheme which is a little bit different than lisp 07:31:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:33:04 impaktor: but don't let yourself get distracted by that, have fun! 07:34:12 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:36:26 Thanks Commander Keen!? :) Look out for Mortimer and the Aliens 07:36:52 impaktor: found the baby sitter, got back home ;) 07:38:07 Cool. Loved 1-3. Played and finished 1-6. Never realized you could save a game while you're playing a level in episodes 4-6. 07:38:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:40:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:40:45 heh yeah 07:44:58 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:47:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:50:52 -!- noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51:00 noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has joined #scheme 07:51:21 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:56:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 07:57:06 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:57:39 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 08:00:26 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:01:02 does anyone know of any specific uses of lisp or scheme in industry? 08:01:11 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:01:36 I haven't myself but I've seen C macro abuse that could be improved 08:03:04 it's like there's a need for something that isn't quite met by the standard set of tools 08:03:12 so people push the tools to the limit to get what they need 08:03:24 but then deal with the short comings, continuously 08:03:34 I guess every tool has it's limits 08:03:47 but C macros are horrible for anything advanced 08:05:14 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 08:09:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:11:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 08:13:25 astertronistic: there are some commercial users. 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20:57:04 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:57:11 i mean compiler 20:57:22 s/emacs/guile/ 20:58:13 thanks, ill check it out, other tastes? 20:58:34 I'd also recommend http://racket-lang.org/ 20:58:44 as second ? ;) 20:59:02 for me yes, ymmv 20:59:50 do you think you could put together an irc chat client with guile in a day or two? 21:00:16 chanlist, nicklist, send and display msgs 21:00:18 probably 21:00:43 and these compile to C, or to machine code? 21:01:04 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:01:27 both to byte-code. A native compiler is in the works for guile. I forget about racket, but I think there's a JIT. 21:02:55 sambio [~sambio@host116.190-228-67.telecom.net.ar] has joined #scheme 21:02:57 ijp: racket generates (and optimizes) bytecode ahead of time, and then has a JIT which generates machine code at runtime 21:03:00 is it possible to compile code with them to binary that will work on any linux ? 21:03:10 eg. without dependencies 21:03:36 creep: yes, racket can generate executables 21:03:44 and guile not? 21:03:59 you probably know why am i asking 21:04:00 not at the moment no 21:04:38 how annoying is when you download some library or software and it requires some odd libraries you cannot get 21:05:37 creep: ah, so you want something beyond just an executable.. you want a stand-alone executable that does not even require linking to a scheme run-time library, right? 21:05:47 yes 21:06:06 working on any machine not requiring some vbrun300.dll .... or scheme.libs 21:06:07 well, the rules out racket too, afaik. 21:07:10 i can't say install this little 6GB compiler environment, then you'll be able to run my 60kB software... 21:07:31 (extrapolated after seeing haskell) 21:07:39 Even C requires a run-time library. The only reason that's considered acceptable is because everyone already has that one. 21:07:46 yes 21:08:04 you mean the basics 21:08:16 if everyone has it then no matter really 21:08:20 I was referring to libc, which is generally fairly large. 21:08:43 if you want a "no-install scheme" you could maybe bundle chibi or something like that 21:10:02 interesintg find, thanks 21:10:10 C scripting scheme 21:10:23 -!- dRbiG [~p@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:11:45 I'm pretty sure you can do static linking with both Gambit Scheme and Chicken Scheme. 21:12:45 They both compile to C 21:12:49 It's possible to make a "budle" directory with chicken. http://wiki.call-cc.org/man/4/Deployment 21:12:50 http://code.google.com/p/chibi-scheme/source/checkout 21:12:59 haha i didn't even know i had this hg 21:13:11 Mercurial Distributed SCM 21:13:14 You can do static linking in Chicken only if all the libs have static versions. I've run into a few that won't work due to non-static libraries downstream. 21:14:06 -!- pothos [~pothos@114-25-203-224.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:32 Well, you have the same limitations as any C program. 21:14:57 sambio_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #scheme 21:15:06 -!- sambio [~sambio@host116.190-228-67.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:16:42 -!- atsidi [~nkraft_@184.75.210.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving, leaving, gone...] 21:17:01 lold at examples, 1 example 630 bytes 21:17:07 pothos [~pothos@114-36-233-226.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 21:19:13 can somebody throw some simple examples on scheme? 21:19:45 assuming any scheme compiler should compile a standard R7RS code 21:19:57 r7rs isn't standard (yet) 21:20:16 unless I've missed something 21:21:40 The default language is based on the latest draft of R7RS, which is mostly a superset of R5RS. 21:21:53 so which one do you prefer? latest is always best right? 21:21:55 nope 21:22:07 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:22:28 my own opinion on this matter is considered fringe, so I shan't bore you with it 21:22:35 The Scheme community is split into two factions: R6RS and R7RS. 21:23:07 mark_weaver: i think that's a substantial underestimate 21:23:12 (at least) 21:23:22 hehe, true :) 21:23:22 yeah, there's still a hardcore r4rs fringe 21:23:26 There's definitely a faction that refuses to acknowledge being attached to any faction. 21:24:30 sambio [~sambio@host116.190-228-67.telecom.net.ar] has joined #scheme 21:24:32 mark_weaver: I prefer the term "pro-standard" :P 21:26:14 -!- sambio_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:50 sambio_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #scheme 21:28:16 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-64-68.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 21:28:59 -!- sambio [~sambio@host116.190-228-67.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32:05 creep: if you want something small, I would definitely recommend Chibi. R6RS is a larger standard, and requires a larger implementation. 21:32:09 -!- chturne [~chturne@78-105-198-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32:55 *mark_weaver* wonders if that'll get him flamed :) 21:33:36 i don't think that claim is true 21:35:54 Really? I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. There are substantial advantages to having a larger standard, I acknowledge that. But I'm surprised to hear that claim questioned. 21:36:36 samth: are there any R6RS implementations as small as Chibi? 21:36:49 mark_weaver: i don't think any have tried 21:37:32 Is tinyscheme using R6RS standard ? 21:37:40 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:44 the hard things to do in R6 are all there in Chibi -- modules, the numeric tower, unicode, hygenic macros 21:38:08 Oh its R5RS 21:38:41 I hope there will be Chibi-XXL 21:39:03 Implementing R7RS large 21:39:54 jaaso: sure, but _how much_ of r7rs large 21:40:17 *mark_weaver* really hoped to avoid starting a flame war, honest. 21:41:02 preemptively trying to avoid a flame war never works IME 21:41:13 I mean there need to be chibi as extension lang. and chibi-xxl for other stuff 21:42:15 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:42:33 gotta go offline for a bit, save me some marshmellows! 21:42:39 -!- mark_weaver [~user@209-6-91-212.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:43:37 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 21:52:20 -!- huseby [~huseby@home.husebyhome.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:43 jschuster [~schuster@c-174-62-235-168.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:00:54 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 22:01:18 some macronizing in C, unfortunately not too friendly http://pastebin.com/JfjusBvh 22:01:27 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-140-177.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 22:03:42 here's the C typehack #define __clone__(to, from) __typeof__ (from) (to) = (from) 22:06:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-2.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:52 hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:17:20 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 22:19:06 huseby [~huseby@home.husebyhome.com] has joined #scheme 22:19:16 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:22:23 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 22:24:55 chturne [~chturne@78-105-198-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:26:33 what are the real difference between r5 r6 r7 rs ? 22:27:01 i haven't read all standards 22:27:48 -!- grettke [~grettke@CPE-70-92-11-221.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [] 22:28:57 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:31:29 can somebody link a few softwares that are written in scheme? ;) 22:34:12 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #scheme 22:34:58 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:37:03 mark_weaver [~user@209-6-91-212.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 22:37:53 http://wingolog.org/software/ 22:40:07 Sorella_ [~quildreen@189-13-89-218.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #scheme 22:40:18 http://wiki.call-cc.org/Software 22:40:45 -!- chturne [~chturne@78-105-198-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:41:46 http://plt-scheme.org/software/ 22:50:03 $ chibi-scheme division-tests.scm 22:50:10 42 errors (100.0%). 22:52:21 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:54:02 Sorella__ [~quildreen@201-58-215-92.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #scheme 22:56:48 -!- Sorella_ [~quildreen@189-13-89-218.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:57:09 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 22:57:21 let me check it 22:57:43 i'm probably doing compilation wrong... 22:57:52 nonw of the operators or methods are recognized 22:57:56 *none 22:58:44 i did make install and ldconfig 22:59:55 maybe compilered got scared 23:00:06 *compiler 23:00:33 nah tryin racket now 23:02:22 -!- masm1 [~masm@89.214.128.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04:32 -!- imphasing is now known as IMPHASING 23:05:18 It should pass these test. weird 23:05:34 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 23:05:55 jaaso<< none of the keywords or operators were recognized, assuming something is missing 23:06:58 I tried it manualy to test (test 4.0 (floor 4.3)) 23:07:06 and it passed 23:07:28 need to try one more thing 23:08:27 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:08:58 jaaso<< i installed from source 23:09:36 nah racket is compiling 23:09:51 everybody just use racket as guys use bash? only for quickhacks and computing the homework? 23:21:04 Fixed those test fails, just read that diviosion library is deprecated thats why it fails 23:23:38 hmm 23:23:58 i always find bugs 23:24:40 ffmpeg, gmplayer, xmms, mc, xchat, geany, gcc... 23:25:37 dont forget to report it 23:25:39 ;) 23:25:51 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61A0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:31:05 i use latest realtime preempted kernel, but they usually release new version with fix before i notice errors ;/ 23:31:33 definitely more people interested 23:32:46 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:47 Why lnx distro do you use, or is it bsd ? 23:34:11 currently its SL that is like RHEL6 23:34:18 cern's stuff 23:34:29 i found it stable and i like stable things 23:35:06 downside is all packages are 2-5 years old, and have to hack some stuff from source to get latest 23:35:17 and some things doesn't even work with old libs 23:35:34 that's why debian testing rocks :) 23:36:08 i tried to setup debian using the installer a few times, but itfailed to configure properly and i dropped the idea 23:36:34 if i want linuxfromscratch, then i install that 23:37:24 btw tried ubuntu and it gave me "unknown error, exiting" in the installer 23:37:39 12.10 ? 23:37:57 it was older, about 2 years ago 23:38:05 since then i settled with SL 23:38:45 hmm, well i hacked an XFCE on it, because RHEL only supports kde and gnome 23:40:06 never tried SL 23:40:43 okey it has many useless programs too, full installer with all sw included is 2 DVD 23:41:12 i have never seen most of them 23:41:52 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:46:12 -!- Sorella__ is now known as Sorella 23:46:43 jaswhat do you think about lfs? lunar linux? 23:46:49 jaaso 23:47:19 gentoo, slackware 23:47:36 I dont try smaller distros 23:47:54 gentoo and slackware are common 23:48:09 slackware is fully source based, gentoo has some packaging system too 23:48:27 Yea,but never tried them. 23:48:40 dont have any interest, today I wanted to try freebsd 9 23:48:43 but I was too lazy 23:49:07 yeah its work 23:50:08 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-98-117-94-43.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51:21 -!- confab [~confab@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:59:58 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-149-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme