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I think Matt Might may have had a blog post about them too. 02:37:49 (assuming we're referring to the same thing) 02:38:12 http://matt.might.net/articles/cek-machines/ 02:38:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:41:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 02:41:07 simon: clearly they're referring to Louis CK 02:43:21 asumu, thanks. 02:43:25 offby1, clearly. 02:43:34 offby1, I'll watch some of his shows for good measure. 02:43:48 Also, clearly, you're the creator of "The Wire", for which I am grateful. 02:46:14 asumu, Matt Might's page is very nice. 02:47:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:47:47 simon: he has at least two other articles on CEK/CESK machines too. 02:49:23 asumu, and a few other posts I'd like to read. 02:50:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 02:52:22 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] 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(first takes a symbol and returns the first element of that symbol) 17:47:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:49:40 And, how to implement higher-order procs by using Y combinator 17:50:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 17:50:20 -!- ioa [~xmike@dynamic2-248-005.usc.edu] has left #scheme 17:51:08 arpunk1 [~arpunk@190.84.40.17] has joined #scheme 17:52:50 lcc [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 17:53:14 I understand. 17:53:55 -!- arpunk [~arpunk@190.84.40.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:55:00 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55:48 -!- hiroaki_ [~hiroaki@ip-78-94-227-230.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:55:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:56:04 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:56:38 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:58:26 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-58-142.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:35 add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-58-142.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 17:59:05 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 18:00:48 covi: FYI, the result of '(foo bar) is not called a symbol, it's a list (or "proper list", and also it's a pair since it's really (foo . 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What editors do you use ? 20:09:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:10:05 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 20:12:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 20:14:11 i use drracket, unless i break it 20:14:36 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Client Quit] 20:14:59 then i use emacs 20:19:23 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:19:27 I also use emacs, but I never used to debug scheme code with emac s 20:19:53 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:55 and I see that the shortcuts of drracket are almost like in emacs 20:21:05 Does anyone have working link for Guy Steele talk "Designing by accident" 20:21:25 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 20:21:48 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 20:27:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:30:25 mark_weaver [~user@209-6-91-212.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 20:30:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 20:31:22 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-53-118.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35:00 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-0.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:18 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:37:24 samth: I did not know that drracket has no C-c to break. So I blocked it :) 20:39:59 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 20:41:14 covi: (map (lambda (x) (first x)) '(foo bar)) is an error anyway 20:41:52 riccardo [~riccardo@host29-90-dynamic.251-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 20:42:01 covi: oh, i now understand your apply question .. it has the arguments (foo) and (bar) in my case 20:42:05 rudybot: (map (lambda (x) (first x)) '(foo bar)) 20:42:07 samth: your typed/racket sandbox is ready 20:42:07 samth: error: #:1:17: Type Checker: Polymorphic function first could not be applied to arguments: Domains: (Listof a) (Pairof a (Listof b)) Arguments: Any in: (#%app first x) 20:42:19 rudybot: init racket 20:42:19 samth: your sandbox is ready 20:42:21 -!- riccardo [~riccardo@host29-90-dynamic.251-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:21 rudybot: (map (lambda (x) (first x)) '(foo bar)) 20:42:21 samth: error: first: expected argument of type ; given: 'foo 20:42:24 covi: so the lambda has the arguments foo and bar, and (first 'foo) is an error 20:43:12 rudybot: (map first '((foo bar) (fooo baar))) 20:43:12 astertronistic: your sandbox is ready 20:43:12 astertronistic: ; Value: (foo fooo) 20:44:02 rudybot: (map rest '((foo bar) (fooo baar))) 20:44:03 astertronistic: ; Value: ((bar) (baar)) 20:45:35 gotta say the "racket" error message was clearer :-( 20:46:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48:58 offby1: rudybot really needs to print multi-line errors with newlines 20:49:03 instead of with 20:49:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 20:49:35 esp since there are now so many more multi-line error messages 20:49:40 rudybot: init typed/racket 20:49:41 samth: your typed/racket sandbox is ready 20:50:07 rudybot: (map (lambda: ([x : Symbol]) (first x)) '(foo bar)) 20:50:07 samth: error: #:1:29: Type Checker: Polymorphic function first could not be applied to 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quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:57:04 -!- bjz [~brendanza@CPE-123-211-14-168.lnse3.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:58:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 23:03:38 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:05:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:29 Whay graphical library do you use in scheme to draw graphs of functions ? 23:08:03 what scheme implementation are you using? 23:08:52 guile-cairo might be worth looking at 23:09:04 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 23:09:13 I think wingo wrote a graphing library for guile 23:09:30 I use mit-scheme / scheme 48 23:09:46 but I can use others if they have graphs 23:09:48 http://wingolog.org/software/guile-charting/ 23:10:18 mit-scheme has its own graphics capability, but it's quite old 23:10:36 another option is to generate postscript code or to use gnuplot 23:10:38 beautiful :) 23:10:51 ok 23:14:46 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-179-61.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:14:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:17:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 23:18:48 atomx: try Racket's 'plot' library 23:19:15 http://docs.racket-lang.org/plot 23:19:20 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-24-12.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:35 rudybot: init racket 23:19:35 samth: your sandbox is ready 23:19:40 rudybot: (require plot) 23:19:42 samth: error: file-or-directory-modify-seconds: `read' access denied for /home/erich/.racket/racket-prefs.rktd 23:19:42 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-179-61.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 23:19:56 grr 23:20:05 offby1: i blame you 23:20:53 atomx: here's a simple chart: (plot (function sin (- pi) pi #:label "y = sin(x)")) 23:21:54 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:25:05 taylanub: In STK, first can also take a symbol. But perhaps there's sth wrong with my mini interpreter. 23:25:11 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 23:25:36 -!- covi [~covi@wasp.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:26:05 covi [~covi@wasp.dreamhost.com] has joined #scheme 23:26:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 23:27:31 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-24-12.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 23:27:36 *offby1* frets 23:28:31 samth: I've seen that error, or ones similar to it, once in a while for a long time now ... but I've never been able to track down the cause 23:28:45 rudybot: (require plot) 23:28:45 samth: Done. 23:28:52 see? 23:28:52 grrr 23:28:55 yeah 23:29:04 rudybot: (plot (function sin (- pi) pi #:label "y = sin(x)")) 23:29:04 samth: error: car: expects argument of type ; given: #f 23:29:18 *offby1* idly wonders where the output is s'posed to go 23:29:19 that makes no sense 23:29:45 I think I've seen that error before too 23:33:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:36:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 23:39:49 bjz [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 23:43:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:44:15 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:46:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 23:46:47 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:49:43 -!- dnolen [~user@pool-108-46-109-61.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:53:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56:11 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 23:57:33 teurastaja [459f81b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.159.129.181] has joined #scheme