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07:51:24 <covi> What's the difference between   (define NAME <expr>)   and  (define (NAME) <expr>)?
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07:53:00 <LeoNerd> (define THREE 3)   defines a value
07:53:17 <LeoNerd> (define (RETURN-THREE) 3)  defines a function that, when called, returns 3
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07:54:43 <covi> I see
07:54:45 <covi> Thanks
07:57:22 <LeoNerd> (define (name args...) body...)  is just convenient shorthand for   (define name (lambda (args...) body...))   anyway
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08:20:06 <covi> LeoNerd: Nice to learn things like this. Illuminated.
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08:41:05 <mucker> help plz : currently I have a foo:(list #\1 #\2 #\3)) and I want to make a string out og the list of characters .. (string foo) is giving me an error
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08:43:16 <MichaelRaskin> mucker: list->string ?
08:43:33 <mucker> MichaelRaskin: thnkx !
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08:49:29 <mucker> MichaelRaskin: why doesnt this work ? (eval `(,string ,@foo)) ... It gives me an error saying eval has got a wrong number of arguments
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08:56:29 <DerGuteMoritz> mucker: on an aesthetic note, I would not quasiquote here but (eval (cons string foo))
08:56:48 <DerGuteMoritz> mucker: what's the exact error you get?
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09:00:20 <mucker> DerGuteMoritz: "eval has got wrong number arguments"(guile 2.0) the cons solution is what I should have thought of. /new to lisping/
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09:08:03 <MichaelRaskin> In Scheme eval should probably want an explicitly specified environment to evaluate in
09:08:51 <DerGuteMoritz> mucker: try (eval (cons string foo) (interaction-environment))
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13:51:53 <stamourv> mucker: You don't need eval in your previous example.
13:52:06 <stamourv> rudybot: (apply string '(#\a #\b #\c))
13:52:07 <rudybot> stamourv: ; Value: "abc"
13:52:12 <stamourv> mucker: ^
13:52:41 <stamourv> You should avoid using eval as much as you can.
13:52:58 <stamourv> There's almost always a nicer, more reliable way to do it.
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14:18:13 <Inode> rudybot: (time (+ 47 3))
14:18:14 <rudybot> Inode: your sandbox is ready
14:18:14 <rudybot> Inode: ; Value: 50
14:18:15 <rudybot> Inode: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 0 gc time: 0\n"
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15:17:06 <merimus> Hmm, how might permissions be implemented in a lisp based OS?
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15:23:47 <offby1> How might the lessons of ZZ Top be applied in the workplace?
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15:43:38 <pjb> merimus: have a look at schemix.  Is Linux a lisp based OS or is it?
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15:44:07 <ijp> schemix is surely bitrotten
15:44:25 <pjb> You can still run linux 2.16 or whatever version it runs on.
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17:06:23 <mario-goulart> offby1: good question!
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20:20:01 <klutometis> Why is it again that function pointers in C aren't sufficient to graduate it to a "functional language?"
20:20:06 <klutometis> See e.g. <http://rcrowley.org/2008/03/03/functional-programming-in-c.html>.
20:20:46 <copumpkin> lack of closures, probably?
20:21:01 <klutometis> copumpkin: It's a scoping thing, then?
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20:21:08 <copumpkin> I dunno, just guessing :)
20:21:18 <copumpkin> I know that I wouldn't want to use C as a functional language without Apple's "blocks"
20:21:25 <copumpkin> or nested functions are almost pleasant
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20:21:38 <Riastradh> You can't really structure programs usefully as functions of subexpressions.
20:22:14 <copumpkin> but with nested functions or blocks, I've written some fairly complicated CPS-like C code
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20:28:25 <klutometis> Riastradh: Interesting; I guess vtable-simulation doesn't buy much in the way of problem-decomposition and expressiveness.
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20:34:06 <ijp> C doesn't exactly stress the importance of immutability either
20:38:18 <taylanub> copumpkin: clang blocks will cause horrid memory leaks if you don't pay attention
20:39:24 <copumpkin> ick :) didn't look too carefully!
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20:41:06 <taylanub> the basic problem is that if you copy a block to the heap (which you must do if you plan on storing it), it will send a retain to each object referenced in the body, and `self' if any instance variables are referenced
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20:43:48 <taylanub> e.g. i implemented a button class that can be added blocks to be executed on click. (super simple and useful)  if in any of the blocks you give it, you reference the button itself or any object that's higher on the "owning hierarchy" (e.g. probably `self', since it would typically own the button), you will have a "retain lock"
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23:14:34 <robba> if I have a .scm file full of code and stuff, how do I load those definitions into another file?
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23:14:46 <robba> I'm using chicken, if that matters
23:15:13 <mario-goulart> robba: you can use (include "file.scm") or (load "file.scm")
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23:16:30 <robba> ah, thanks
23:16:44 <mario-goulart> You're welcome.
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