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The first project was indeed to enter a program into the monitor in hexadecimal. 09:13:42 excellent! 09:13:54 maybe in 1992 I could do that. 09:14:07 though 8086, not 68k 09:16:43 68k seemed like a much friendlier asm than x86. 09:17:13 I don't doubt it. I did some 6800, but only for a couple weeks. and only a very limited subset. 09:17:23 but the env seemed much less rigid than x86 09:17:36 Lately I've been picking up a bit of arm asm by digging through C compiler output. 09:18:27 The difference between code with and without -O is pretty remarkable. :) 09:18:45 I've been debating getting back into asm, but probably won't until a relevant and appropriate chip makes itself apparent. 09:19:02 most likely not x86; arm and x86_64 are good candidates 09:19:05 kuribas [~user@d54C43503.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 09:19:23 I don't think anyone's going to make a chip designed for assembly programming ever again. 09:19:38 You might check out the XMOS chips, though. 09:21:24 x86 isn't very friendly to compilers either... 09:21:44 They're son-of-transputer chips, designed by David May who did transputers and Occam. 09:22:02 We use them a bit at work, they're pretty slick! 09:23:17 http://www.xmos.com/ 09:32:30 -!- close-paren 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"map" functions 15:05:52 http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/guile/guile_238.html 15:05:59 it really seems to be very imperative 15:08:27 foeniks, are you looking for some array-like DS that is "functional friendly" ? 15:12:49 yeah, at least I think that this is what I am looking for 15:13:10 well, arrays are a generalisation of vectors so not really intended to be functional 15:13:36 There's vector-map in rnrs, if that helps. 15:14:03 rnrs base or whatever. 15:14:04 foeniks: I do have a functional vector implementation you could use as the base for a functional matrix type if you are interested 15:14:49 foeniks, I never used clojure, but I heard it has some "functional ways" of dealing with its DS, which include vectors. Maybe you can get ideas from there. I really am not sure though. 15:15:14 foeniks: https://github.com/ijp/fectors 15:15:33 haha, fectors haha 15:15:37 though it is currently sparse on the higher level functions 15:15:51 phao: I stole that pun from elsewhere 15:15:59 hmm, yeah, I realize that functional use of arrays involves copying etc 15:16:08 foeniks, in clojure, not, afaik. 15:16:17 they managed to make something really clever there. 15:16:25 phao: nah, they still do some copying 15:16:26 Check it out. 15:16:34 but if you think of arrays in math, I find the notion that they are not really "functional" kind of strange 15:16:50 foeniks: Also, just for the record, the manual you linked to was for 1.6.2, which I hope you're not actually using. You can find the more current manuals here: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/docs/docs.html 15:17:08 I am using 1.8 right now, the one macports supplies 15:17:18 I cannot get 2.x to compile 15:17:33 There's a manual for 1.8 on the page I linked to. 15:18:00 phao: for functional implementations you can't get around additional space usage, even if you go the semi-persistent route 15:18:17 But, maybe the kind folk of #guile can help you compile 2.x too. :-) 15:18:50 ijp, I really don't understand them well.. I heard about that "doesn't need copying" in an interview. 15:19:24 phao: it may not need to copy it all, sure 15:19:33 Oh, we're in #scheme, not #guile. Oops. The kind folk of #scheme then. :-) 15:19:36 but if you aren't using any additional space, then well, you are mutating 15:19:51 sure 15:19:58 I mean it just feels strange to have a non-functional array interface in a language which does not provide imperative-style loops etc 15:21:09 -!- close-paren` [~close-par@76.104.189.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:21:12 multi dimensional arrays are one of those things that schemers can't seem to agree on 15:21:33 there are, IIRC, at least 3 different srfis 15:22:48 foeniks, the do-loop is pretty imperative 15:24:07 ah, interesting, its been a while since I read through the syntax definitions 15:25:29 close-paren [~close-par@50-54-252-216.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #scheme 15:27:37 well, multidimensional arrays should be something important I would say 15:27:57 everyone thinks different things are important 15:28:21 true, indeed 15:28:43 ijp, thanks for that code btw. 15:30:02 foeniks: I haven't tried it on guile 1.8, only 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has joined #scheme 23:29:03 web 23:29:06 ddp [~ddp@71.92.93.45] has joined #scheme 23:29:09 scheme for web 23:29:11 anyone? 23:32:06 fuck off gavino 23:32:40 suck a dick ajp 23:32:53 ill smash your fat face 23:32:57 if u say that in person 23:32:58 :L) 23:33:16 seriously, fuck off 23:33:21 ~user@host86-180-108-28.range86-180.btcentralplus.com 23:33:30 frankly, you're beyond all hope 23:33:32 seriously suck my cock 23:33:41 bitchboy 23:33:45 Chilly, there's a /ignore for a reason. 23:34:26 gnomon: /ignore doesn't help the naïve newbies who are trying to be helpful 23:34:38 and who end up wasting far too much time on this guy 23:34:52 cdidd [~cdidd@37-144-137-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 23:35:21 ijp, you're not wrong, but there's no reason to frighten off those same newbies with naked flames. There are admins, if it comes to that. 23:35:24 fuck you ijp 23:35:36 gnmon dont agree with that moron 23:36:08 chaotic_good, my only stake in this conversation is civility. 23:36:36 he used up all my civility months ago 23:36:45 ijp directly insults me with profanity 23:36:52 and you talk to me of civility??? lol 23:37:02 id beat his face into ground and stimp his head 23:37:08 if he dared say such in person 23:37:16 he needs feedback 23:37:22 lacking in his whiny life 23:37:23 I look forward to it 23:37:27 Guys, this channel is not the place for it. 23:37:29 oh u will 23:37:34 me too 23:37:35 :) 23:37:36 im 6-6 23:37:39 bitchyboy 23:37:43 *ijp* rolls eyes 23:37:47 right 23:38:00 no shade of a match for me 23:38:10 yet to be fair your arent intelelctually either 23:38:11 :) 23:38:13 ;) 23:38:14 -!- noam__ is now known as noam 23:38:17 :) 23:38:44 yeah 23:38:49 you're not me 23:38:55 http://gcache.imagehost123.com/tr/566/12.jpg 23:39:02 http://iloveshemale.com/galleries/brazilian_shemales_club/gallery_pics/daiane_calegari_a/F12.jpg 23:39:02 http://tinyurl.com/9glr2yt 23:39:10 http://www2.fetishhitsgallery.com/picture/sszt/11/p13.jpg 23:39:23 -!- chaotic_good is now known as ipj 23:39:24 lol 23:39:31 http://gcache.imagehost123.com/tr/596/2.jpg 23:39:44 -!- ddp [~ddp@71.92.93.45] has quit [Quit: ddp] 23:39:59 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Riastradh 23:40:22 This is what scheme has become? 23:40:24 -!- olisp [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #scheme 23:40:25 -!- ipj [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has been kicked from #scheme by Riastradh (ipj) 23:40:33 Riastradh: thank you 23:40:37 -!- Riastradh has set mode +b *!*@pool-71-105-238-153.lsanca.fios.verizon.net 23:41:09 ddp [~ddp@71.92.93.45] has joined #scheme 23:41:31 Not that this is going to help much... He's been around for some eight years or so. 23:41:43 Riastradh, thanks kindly. 23:42:02 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 23:42:09 -!- Riastradh has set mode -o Riastradh 23:43:03 Wow, we have a long ban list, mostly from nearly a year ago...although probably actually from well before that. 23:44:37 -!- crundar [~Jason@99-108-224-199.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46:05 A number of those bans happen to be for a single individual 23:46:18 Back during the Spam Wars of '11 23:47:13 *gnomon* stares a thousand yards into the distance 23:48:09 Hey ijp, what's the state of Guile 2 these days? 23:48:59 quite good IMO, compilation work is progressing steadily, as is guile-emacs integration 23:49:45 the package manager has been taking a back seat, though I've recently started trying to change that 23:49:51 That's wonderful to hear! Is wingo still leading that charge? 23:49:56 indeed 23:51:32 I'd like to ask questions about the state of the compiler, but I can't think of any reasonably objective way to do so. 23:57:21 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@37-144-137-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:58:01 I wouldn't be the best person to ask about it, anyway 23:58:25 wingo would be much better, but since he's at quasiconf I don't suppose he'll be on this weekend 23:58:39 Ah! 23:59:14 I'd say that I will catch him later, but the time during which I can indulge on IRC these days is depressingly limited. 23:59:34 ijp, what are you up to with the packager manager?