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Any one try to use Kawa on Android ? Or other scheme system ? 13:45:57 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:47:33 -!- vmcv_ [~victor@187.67.229.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:48:28 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #scheme 13:53:19 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:53:41 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 13:55:13 phao [phao@177.174.147.104] has joined #scheme 13:55:48 -!- mmajchrzak [~mmajchrza@78.8.254.110] has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 13:57:26 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-40-25.gmavt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:57:49 vmcv_ [~victor@187.67.229.152] has joined #scheme 13:58:19 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:58:23 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:59:20 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-40-25.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 14:06:07 eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #scheme 14:07:17 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 14:09:46 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:11:57 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:16:17 -!- phao [phao@177.174.147.104] has quit [Quit: Not Here] 14:19:21 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 14:20:32 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 14:21:03 Inode [~inode@time.uk.chromedpork.net] has joined #scheme 14:21:33 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:26 yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-42-64.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #scheme 14:25:28 phao [phao@177.174.147.104] has joined #scheme 14:26:58 fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #scheme 14:33:18 hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has joined #scheme 14:35:21 -!- tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:36:10 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 14:37:02 amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-156-50.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 14:42:59 -!- phao [phao@177.174.147.104] has quit [Quit: Not Here] 14:47:55 tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:48:14 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.249.120] has joined #scheme 14:48:28 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-125-214.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:18 mmajchrzak: Did you see this? . 14:49:21 Whoops. 15:01:30 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:02:39 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:02:48 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #scheme 15:04:52 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #scheme 15:14:35 xwl [~user@123.108.223.31] has joined #scheme 15:18:54 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:24:44 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-196.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:26:37 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: nooooo] 15:27:54 sambio [~cc@190.57.227.107] has joined #scheme 15:28:42 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-49.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 15:32:17 -!- crundar [~Jason@99-108-224-199.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35:05 realitygrill [realitygri@nat/hackerschool.com/x-zcbaeujpzfveqtyl] has joined #scheme 15:35:12 -!- realitygrill [realitygri@nat/hackerschool.com/x-zcbaeujpzfveqtyl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:54 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:48:21 teurastaja [~chatzilla@modemcable168.103-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 15:49:23 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:50:19 im messing around with circular-list but documentation for data structures and algorithms is not abundant 15:50:47 -!- DGASAU` [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:48 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:54:04 by the way, except racket, which r5rs scheme implementation runs needs no extra installation for srfis? i mean... its almost all made for linux and i want native integration but am disappointed.i dont want to run cygwin 15:54:27 oh, i forgot to say, im on windows of course... 15:55:15 gambit needs blackhole installed, which is not straightforward on windows 15:55:42 choices are easier on linux, i agree 15:56:42 rooftopjoe [56781126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.120.17.38] has joined #scheme 15:58:17 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:58:36 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #scheme 16:00:35 hi. trying to write a curried version of this procedure: http://ideone.com/XNfHV 16:00:42 i'm not really sure how to do it 16:01:06 lusory [~lusory@bb42-60-31-187.singnet.com.sg] has joined #scheme 16:03:21 ijp [~user@host86-174-96-146.range86-174.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:03:26 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-28-251.dynamic.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 16:05:16 did you want 'between to be a higher-order function? 16:05:50 -!- Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:20 rooftopjoe: ((between 1 10) 5) ; ==> #t 16:06:34 seems to work!? 16:07:21 first of all, is this what you want?: 16:07:22 (define (between start end num) 16:07:24 (and (<= num end) (>= num start))) 16:08:06 the 'if is unnecessary 16:09:38 crundar [~Jason@140.182.138.31] has joined #scheme 16:10:17 -!- pepijn_away is now known as pepijndevos 16:11:07 is this what you want?: 16:11:11 (define between 16:11:13 (lambda (start) 16:11:14 (lambda (end) 16:11:16 (lambda (num) (and (<= num end) (>= num start)))))) 16:12:05 (define ((between start end) num) (<= start num end))? 16:12:19 to use the curried version, you just need to (((between start) end) num) 16:13:18 DT: i dont think thats even near legal 16:13:47 rudybot, eval (define ((between start end) num) (<= start num end)) 16:13:48 DT`: your sandbox is ready 16:13:48 DT`: Done. 16:13:54 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 16:13:55 rudybot, ((between 1 10) 5) 16:13:56 DT`: ; Value: #t 16:14:38 It isn't Scheme, it is extended-Scheme 16:14:41 I don't remember whether curried define is standard Scheme or just a widespread extension, though. 16:14:49 but youre right:(define between 16:14:51 (lambda (start) 16:14:52 (lambda (num) 16:14:54 (lambda (end) (<= start num end))))) 16:14:57 (define between 16:14:59 (lambda (start) 16:15:01 (lambda (num) 16:15:02 (lambda (end) (<= start num end))))) 16:15:03 DT`: it's nonstandard 16:15:06 -!- copumpkin is now known as ThreeFixt 16:15:13 right. 16:15:29 (define (between start end) (lambda (num) (<= start num end))? 16:15:56 thats not curried 16:16:05 this is: 16:16:08 (define between 16:16:09 (lambda (start) 16:16:11 (lambda (num) 16:16:13 (lambda (end) (<= start num end))))) 16:16:21 -!- ThreeFixt is now known as copumpkin 16:16:47 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:19 well, I guess currying in scheme doesn't look so nice 16:17:19 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 16:17:24 why would you want to curry this though? 16:17:36 e.g. ((plus 2) 3) 16:17:37 -!- pjb is now known as Guest7457 16:18:05 guess you need an extra parenthesis for every argument you curry 16:18:53 i wouldnt even write a 'between personnally 16:19:08 *shrug* 16:19:24 yeah, i see now 16:19:38 my terminology was way off 16:19:55 you can always wrap it in a lambda 16:19:58 id just use '<= with arguments ordered like this: (<= start num end) 16:20:27 the rest is futile abstractions 16:21:32 -!- Guest7457 is now known as pjb` 16:21:33 i mean: why would one write 5 levels of abstractions when you need none, just one application? 16:21:42 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 16:22:40 teurastaja: (define between <=) (between start num end) 16:22:46 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 16:22:58 pjb: exactly 16:23:12 even then... thats one useless abstraction 16:24:43 -!- xwl [~user@123.108.223.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:25:09 you could even try something like: (define (between . args) (apply <= args)), but thats eqv? to pjbs and, again, useless 16:26:27 Well, no, the difference would be that with most implementations, between => # in your case, but # in my case, 16:30:07 crundar__ [Jason@140-182-137-250.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 16:33:21 -!- crundar [~Jason@140.182.138.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36:19 say one has a circular list: 16:36:21 (define ls (circular-list 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)) 16:36:23 i want to use the 1st 17 digits off that, so: 16:36:24 (define ls (take ls 17)) 16:36:26 now i have '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) 16:36:28 i want to (pair-fold cons (list) ls) so that it gives: 16:36:29 '((1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) 16:36:31 (3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) (4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) 16:36:32 (5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) (6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) 16:36:34 (7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) (8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) 16:36:36 (9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) ...) 16:36:38 ...but stops the recursion at '... so it recurs only 9 times. 16:36:39 how can i do this most efficiently? 16:37:47 s/pair-fold/pair-fold-right/ 16:38:12 -!- close-paren [~close-par@c-76-104-189-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:38:32 groupcat [~mrmist@freenode/staff/amazing.groupcat] has joined #scheme 16:38:51 s/i/I/ :) 16:39:26 maybe pair-fold-right isnt the best option? 16:39:53 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:40:01 i want to end up with 9 rotated lists of length 9 16:40:38 ..Songs from the Wood.. 16:56:24 -!- rooftopjoe [56781126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.120.17.38] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:25 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-24-12-144-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:02:46 ijp: i have question about fectors if you are around 17:03:45 shoot 17:05:20 -!- tarps [~diddy@obarmy.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 17:09:39 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: noooooo] 17:11:33 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #scheme 17:14:00 oh oops 17:14:07 wife disturbed me ;p 17:18:14 ijp: when calling make-fector you call (make-vector n) first single arguement case, but in your test you expect fector->list to return '(0 0 0 0 0), but 0 is not necessarily the default element when calling (make-vector n). So is the issue with the test? 17:18:31 s/first/ 17:19:00 leppie: ah, I didn't actually write those tests, it was macro maggi, s 17:20:01 DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #scheme 17:20:04 ok, all pass if I change to (make-list 5), but more correct would be (vector->list (make-vector 5)) 17:20:48 which becomes a pretty silly test ;p 17:20:50 hehe 17:21:44 i vote to remove the single argument case ;p 17:22:30 unless you really paranoid about your scheme ;p 17:23:14 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-60-41.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 17:23:42 -!- ijp [~user@host86-174-96-146.range86-174.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:24:01 what, I spoke all for nothing!!! 17:26:19 ijp [~user@host86-162-111-87.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 17:27:37 leppie: I added it for consistency with the vector interface, not because I think it is useful :P 17:28:20 look at the channel log, ijp ;p 17:29:26 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 17:31:14 leppie: I'll fix that test to take 0 as the second argument to make-fector 17:31:35 that is already the 2nd test ;p 17:31:51 ah yes, it's probably best to delete it 17:32:21 changing '(0 0 0 0 0) to (make-list 5) doesn't make much sense though 17:32:47 since then you're testing that one unspecified behaviour is the same as another, which may not be the case 17:34:22 in my case (define (make-list n) (vector->list (make-vector n)) 17:34:56 iirc 17:34:58 anyway, the imports need changed too at some point 17:35:31 i just wrote a simple printf check marco 17:35:51 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35:59 guess you can make it R6R if you resort to display/write ;p 17:36:07 s/R6R/R6RS/ 17:36:53 I think (vicare checks) is just supposed to be srfi 78 17:39:17 turbofail [~user@38.99.37.210] has joined #scheme 17:41:49 -!- ijp [~user@host86-162-111-87.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43:49 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:06:18 eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #scheme 18:07:37 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-42-64.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 18:11:13 covi [~covi@wasp.dreamhost.com] has joined #scheme 18:11:46 Hi. I noticed that arrow keys do not work in interpreters (I've tried mit-scheme and stk). Is there a workaround? 18:11:55 rlwrap 18:12:01 e.g. rlwrap csi 18:12:20 you can alias your interp name to do this every time 18:12:54 Or you can use Emacs' inferior Scheme mode. 18:13:28 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.159.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:33 (Or better Geiser, if it's supported by your implementation.) 18:13:41 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:14:56 Erm, or an actual Readline module, again only if your implementation has one. 18:16:18 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 18:16:57 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:17:21 Sounds complicated. 18:17:36 That's weird, because I think arrow keys are so crucial. 18:19:18 It's the unix principle; each tool does one thing. rlwrap manages editing of input, interpreters interpret. 18:19:48 Alternatively, it's the Emacs principle; do everything in Emacs. 18:20:06 ;-) 18:20:31 But even in emacs, each function does its own single thing. 18:20:42 In emacs you compose functions, in unix you compose programs. 18:20:55 Of course, the distinction between program and function is gratuituous. 18:21:01 *fds* nods. 18:21:47 It's funny, when I was younger, I thought that there was a difference between program and function. What old age does to you 18:23:47 covi: that said, it's not really complicated to write and use an editor in place of your interactive input function in scheme programs. But it's simplier to just use emacs as a front end for your user interface. 18:24:06 There are also editors written in scheme that you can incorporate to your program. 18:24:22 I've tried rlwrap. So far so good. 18:24:40 Yes, rlwrap works nicely. IT can also save an history for your program. 18:28:15 pjb: Well, when the same thing is presented in different contexts it can be difficult to see the connexion. 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21:09:37 It's not free software? 21:10:04 *penryu* makes a note in the "RMS" column 21:13:19 -!- answer_421 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14:41 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:28 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-241-254-35.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 21:16:31 So, you can't use it for whatever purpose you want, you can't debug it when you find bugs in it, you can't study it to understand what it's doing... 21:17:09 Riastradh: I understand. it also means I can't easily build it on whatever system I happen to have. 21:17:21 but it's instructor's choice. :-/ 21:17:30 :-| 21:19:42 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:23:08 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:28:25 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #scheme 21:35:24 -!- DKordic [~DKordic@77-46-191-126.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:48:54 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:54:45 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@unaffiliated/obfuscate] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 21:54:56 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-6-103.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 21:54:57 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-6-103.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:54:57 Obfuscate [~keii@unaffiliated/obfuscate] has joined #scheme 21:58:00 when I took my Java course, the instructor "required" us to use Sun JDK on Windows, but the nature of the language allowed me to use alternatives without him needing to know. 21:58:29 I'm not sure if petite chez is compliant enough for me to use guile or racket without this instructor needing to know. 21:58:34 As long as you don't have to use implementation specific extensions 21:59:01 probably not. 21:59:15 When I had to write programs on MS-DOS in MS-Basic, I actually wrote them on Macintosh in MS-Basic. I patched quickdraw DrawString trap to deal with the missing control codes. 22:00:08 MS-Basic... as in BASICA.EXE and friends? 22:00:33 guess I'm only familiar with BASICA and GW-BASIC on DOS. 22:00:53 ... and QuickBASIC, later qbasic. 22:02:37 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:03:43 penryu: as in 1983. 22:03:49 adu [~ajr@pool-71-241-254-35.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:04:10 pre-PC? 22:04:18 On MS-DOS. 22:04:35 earliest MS-DOS I used was 3.2-something 22:04:45 And on Macintosh. MS-Basic was the first programming environment available on Macintosh, IIRC. 22:05:09 That is, I bought my Mac on June 25th 1984, and I had a MS-Basic in July or August. 22:05:30 LightSpeed Pascal or the assembler came only in Autumn 1984. 22:05:51 At that time, development for Macintosh was done on Lisa. 22:06:13 okay. I guess the base OS didn't come with any environment. just a full-screen app that resembled my old CoCo except gray-on-black 22:06:28 I didn't use a mac until the 90s. 22:06:57 Yes, Macintosh was the first AFAIK personal computer to come without a basic in the ROM. 22:09:24 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:15:14 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 22:21:29 -!- choas [~lars@p5795C37E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:29:21 -!- lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:30:55 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 22:31:16 -!- crundar [Jason@140-182-144-50.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:19 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:32:29 pjb: well, the BBC Micro had a BASIC ROM, but you could have a variety of others 22:35:30 realitygrill [realitygri@nat/hackerschool.com/x-mdazpvugszguealb] has joined #scheme 22:39:18 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.249.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:42:30 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:42:58 that said, on the Macintosh you could use the NMI to enter a monitor, and you could enter a program in hexadecimal :-) 22:43:22 You can still do that on Mac hardware, with the open firmware, writing forth programs, I think. 22:43:31 But not with BIOS machines. 22:43:59 pjb: did early IBM PCs have BASIC in ROM? 22:44:18 No, just the BIOS. 22:44:23 so there you are 22:44:30 So right, IBM PC was first not having a Basic in the ROM. 22:44:33 crundar [~Jason@adsl-99-50-226-54.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:44:56 CP/M machines (arguably not personal computers) didn't either 22:45:00 That origina IBM BIOS was the most bugged program I ever saw. 22:45:04 they are more like minis in this respct 22:45:11 pjb: they haven't improved much. 22:46:05 "IBM Cassette BASIC came in 32 kilobytes (KB) of read-only memory (ROM), separate from the 8 KB BIOS ROM of the original IBM PC, and did not require an operating system to run. Cassette BASIC provided the default user interface if there was no floppy disk drive installed, or if the boot code did not find a bootable floppy disk at power on. -- Cassette BASIC was built into the ROMs of the ... 22:46:11 ... original PC and XT, and early models in the PS/2 line." 22:47:30 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-241-254-35.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 22:49:54 Well, I never was an IBM-PC user. 22:50:03 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:50:14 I bought my first PC to run Linux on it. 22:50:32 I think current Mac hardware is EFI on PC, not BIOS. 22:50:39 iac, no more Forth in ROM. :( 22:50:40 -!- bfgun is now known as bfig 22:53:27 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:54:21 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:58:24 -!- ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:59:04 dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #scheme 22:59:24 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-24-12-144-42.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 23:04:07 -!- dmx [~dmx@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:12:04 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:12:15 -!- realitygrill [realitygri@nat/hackerschool.com/x-mdazpvugszguealb] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:14:54 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:21:40 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:22:21 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 23:23:19 -!- lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Client Quit] 23:25:09 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 23:33:55 -!- pepijndevos is now known as pepijn_away 23:35:03 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:36:48 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-28-251.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:42:54 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@unaffiliated/obfuscate] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 23:43:25 Obfuscate [~keii@unaffiliated/obfuscate] has joined #scheme 23:45:14 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:49:35 dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #scheme 23:49:35 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:53:19 dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #scheme 23:53:19 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:56:07 ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has joined #scheme