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And I know it goes away in there. 01:08:30 I doubt it wouldn't in racket. Not sure about the rest. 01:08:41 chicken* 01:09:24 it's not that chicken gives you all the convenient primitives for web development, but you can build what is not there; and mostly, if not all (today), in scheme. 01:14:03 -!- phao [phao@189.98.158.68] has left #scheme 01:15:39 ah 01:16:01 I see some stuff awful and something with multiprocessing on awfl 01:16:08 I had link somewhere 01:16:24 ut it was liek workers per cpu then reen threads on each cpu from worker 01:16:26 wow 01:16:41 I gota push myself to study scheme 01:16:48 sicp or htdp 01:17:00 not easy since unix job i alys do filesystems stuff 01:17:01 fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:17:08 and not sure how well scheme handles such 01:23:55 I see some fnctions hmm let me open scheme manual 01:24:00 manybe its just as easy 01:24:11 lists woudl certainl make operating on many things simpler 01:24:24 capitaliz3: srsly write the code & tell us how it goes. 01:24:37 ok 01:25:34 capitaliz3: re learning scheme, there is also The Little Schemer. 01:25:56 I hve a copy 01:25:59 its kinda weird 01:26:14 I tried reading ti late @ night n went aslepe liek 5x 01:32:47 phao [phao@189.98.158.68] has joined #scheme 01:56:53 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:05:50 -!- capitaliz3 [ad37e918@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.55.233.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:10:36 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-60-41.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:15:19 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-172-136.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:34:13 joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has joined #scheme 02:49:50 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:50:36 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-203-46.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:53:02 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 02:54:05 Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:54:32 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:07:25 -!- karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10:49 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 03:13:46 -!- phao [phao@189.98.158.68] has left #scheme 03:16:54 -!- redscare [~user@ool-435634f3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:23:51 phao [phao@189.98.158.68] has joined #scheme 03:35:15 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-129-235.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:43:32 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 04:13:46 jfe_ [~user@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 04:13:49 hi all 04:13:57 anyone here have a copy of the little schemer handy? 04:14:14 there's one bit that I'm just not understanding 04:18:00 shoot 04:24:21 zyfwong [~zyfwong@202.38.79.140] has joined #scheme 04:24:28 What about the copy of an old photocopy of an early version of "The Little Lisper" as it was called in that old time, that I have in my head? 04:25:08 i have it open as well 04:25:15 *FurnaceBoy* waits for question 04:25:17 FurnaceBoy: http://paste.lisp.org/display/131011 04:27:00 *FurnaceBoy* punts to pjb ; i have to go to bed. that's a more complex qustion than i expected :) 04:27:48 ha thanks anyway 04:27:50 jfe_: obviously, it must be a function of three arguments. 04:28:04 It must call evens-only*& 04:28:04 pjb: right 04:28:13 It must call evens-only*&co on (cdr l). 04:28:23 It needs a second argument that's a function of three argumetns. 04:28:33 why? why not the other way around? 04:28:59 ie. the outer call to evens-only*&co handles (cdr l) and the inner does (car l) 04:29:15 Now, you want to collect both the evens from the sublist (car l) and from the sublist (cdr l), so you have to call (cons al dl), you have to multiply (* ap dp), and sum (+ as ds). and pass all those values as argument to col. 04:29:25 So it needs to do all it does. 04:29:56 You could also do the other way around if you want. 04:30:24 But since (car L) is passed to the external call, the internal call needs to receive (cdr L). 04:30:40 since you need to process both (car L) and (cdr L). 04:33:48 -!- zyfwong [~zyfwong@202.38.79.140] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:41:45 pjb: thanks :) i think i need to walk through a few simple inputs and i'll have it. 04:42:17 i think i see now how values are passed from one scope to another 04:43:07 jfe_, you just have to see that this function constructs functions which will little by little construct the answer 04:43:26 which will be passed to this "co"ntinuation which is originally given as argument 04:47:18 phao: i'm beginning to see it 04:47:43 i need sleep... i'll take another crack at this when i'm fully awake :) 04:47:44 thanks 04:47:48 -!- jfe_ [~user@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:50:29 tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.151.88] has joined #scheme 04:58:34 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:02:12 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:08:02 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Quit: (quit :reason 'sleep)] 05:10:39 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.151.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:23:23 tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.134.224] has joined #scheme 05:33:07 netmind [~mind@93-58-196-214.ip160.fastwebnet.it] has joined #scheme 05:34:42 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-27-97.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:49:16 hm 05:49:28 ohm 05:55:33 capitalism 06:03:55 so for file operations do I need to goto the spec? 06:04:26 or is there a SRI that covers file operations I think streams are lisp file operations right? 06:09:52 -!- netmind [~mind@93-58-196-214.ip160.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 06:14:01 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:14:23 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.58.198] has joined #scheme 06:14:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.58.198] has quit [Changing host] 06:14:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 06:16:36 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 06:33:21 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.134.224] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 06:33:51 tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.134.224] has joined #scheme 06:35:29 pointer? 06:35:34 pointer points to file? 06:36:50 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:36:56 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:36:58 procedure: (open-output-file filename) 06:36:58 returns: a new output port 06:36:58 filename must be a string. open-output-file creates a new output port for the file named by filename. An error is signaled if the file cannot be opened for output. 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[~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:11:06 -!- hive-min1 is now known as hive-mind 16:25:42 ijp` [~user@host109-154-207-255.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:27:05 tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.149.219] has joined #scheme 16:27:19 -!- ijp [~user@host109-154-209-14.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:29:11 foof -- i'm not sure I agree with thread-join!'s return value either 16:29:26 i can't find a way, for example, to make it easily work in racket 16:29:38 -!- tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.149.219] has quit [Client Quit] 16:29:39 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:29:57 most of srfi-18 maps onto racket's thread offering, but racket threads don't seem to return a value 16:30:08 curiosity, why i/o procedure names usually have no bangs in their names? 16:30:17 (ignore one of the "names" =D) 16:30:58 maybe because the side-effect is outside the program? 16:31:16 maybe because someone make a mistake long ago, and we're still imitating them? 16:31:43 I'd vote for the last one 16:33:43 -!- ijp` is now known as ijp 16:34:08 i/o procedures usually don't mutate scheme objects 16:35:25 many ports have row/col counters or file-positions, right? 16:36:24 they are still the same objects as far as scheme is concerned though. Ports are a bit fuzzy in that regard 16:44:51 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:47:27 sethalves: row col could be stored elsewhere. 17:20:43 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD601AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:24:51 dzhus [~dzhus@95-24-202-97.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 17:38:44 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43:30 add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-52-164.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 17:57:03 eni_ [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #scheme 17:57:58 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:59:32 em_ [~em@user-0ccem0s.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 18:03:14 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:04:10 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04:57 tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.148.149] has joined #scheme 18:06:04 mark_weaver [~user@209-6-92-20.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 18:06:47 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:07:34 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.149.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:11:40 -!- tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.148.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:20:54 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-60-41.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 18:23:57 tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.137.10] has joined #scheme 18:27:09 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 18:27:26 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-161.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [] 18:34:33 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-161.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 18:34:56 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:57 tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:35:05 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-52-164.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 18:38:29 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 18:46:27 -!- phao [phao@177.174.121.25] has left #scheme 18:46:48 -!- eni_ [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:48:24 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-220-48.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:18 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-23-224.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:50:39 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:56:09 -!- em_ [~em@user-0ccem0s.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:08:41 dmx [~dmx@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 19:10:34 dangerboy [~dangerboy@unaffiliated/blackboy] has joined #scheme 19:11:35 em_ [~em@user-0ccem0s.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 19:11:38 I really don't know anything about scheme, but I'm getting an error related to scheme in a program I use (lilypond). I know that the problem is with my entry, but I don't know what car, cdr, or cadr are to know what to look for as possible indicators of where the problem is. 19:11:54 so, what do car, cdr, or cadr mean, if anything? 19:12:38 They are functions like cos, sin, atan. 19:13:03 Can you read 50 pages? 19:13:19 wait, functions like, or simply functions in the same way cos, sin and tan are functions? 19:13:29 In the same way. 19:13:31 I can, but I likely won't understand it. I'm a composer, not a programmer. 19:13:52 I'm sure there's a ( or number or a , missing somewhere. 19:14:09 I just don't know what those mean to know what I should look for. 19:14:27 http://www.shido.info/lisp/idx_scm_e.html 19:15:03 There are pairs. One can get a pair using the function cons: (cons 1 2) --> (1 . 2) 19:15:12 car return the first element of the pair, cdr the second element: 19:15:21 (car (cons 1 2)) --> 1 ; (cdr (cons 1 2)) --> 2 19:15:41 cons is a function? 19:15:50 pairs can be used to build lists: (1 2 3 4) == (1 . (2 . (3 . (4 . ())))) 19:15:54 Yes, cons is a function. 19:16:15 When you apply car and cdr on such a list, car returns the first element, and cdr the rest of the list: 19:16:29 so, in your example, car of (cons 1 2) would be 1? 19:16:32 (car (list 1 2 3 4)) --> 1 ; (cdr (list 1 2 3 4)) --> (2 3 4) 19:16:55 you've far surpassed my understanding. 19:16:57 (cadr x) = (car (cdr x)) ; when applied on a list x, cadr returns the second element: (cadr (list 1 2 3 4)) --> 2 19:17:01 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-137-166.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:17:07 dangerboy: I was afraid of that. 19:17:28 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-137-166.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 19:18:00 list is also a function? 19:18:09 Yes. 19:18:21 (list 1 2 3 4) == (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 (cons 4 ())))) 19:18:25 so that explains why car doesn't return list. 19:18:25 () == the empty list. 19:18:39 Well if the first element of the list was a list, car could return a list. 19:18:54 No! list is (lambda x x) ;p 19:18:57 (list (list 1 2) (list 3 4) (list 5 6)) --> ((1 2) (3 4) (5 6)) 19:19:02 (car (list (list 1 2) (list 3 4) (list 5 6))) --> (1 2) 19:19:05 wait, wait. slow down. 19:19:10 stupid musician here. 19:19:13 leppie: it is? 19:19:32 'cause the error I get is that it's expecting a pair. 19:19:36 so I'm almost understanding. 19:19:37 rudybot: ((lambda x x) 1 2 3 4) 19:19:37 leppie: your sandbox is ready 19:19:38 leppie: ; Value: (1 2 3 4) 19:19:50 FurnaceBoy: rudybot thinks so ;p 19:19:50 leppie: ah. 19:19:50 That's because you're calling car on a non empty list. 19:19:54 rudybot: you're weird 19:19:54 FurnaceBoy: weird, i have a 18 emacs manual in good shape 19:20:12 (car ()) cannot return anything since there's nothing in the empty list. (car 2) cannot return anything since 2 is not a pair. 19:20:13 so car is expecting an empty list? 19:20:13 ok, now he is being really weird ;p 19:20:32 dangerboy: No, car expects a pair. Or an non-empty list. 19:20:52 but (car (const 2))? 19:21:01 What does (const 2) return? 19:21:06 _p4bl0 [~user@berthold.shebang.ws] has joined #scheme 19:21:22 I wouldn't even know how to enter that in the scheme (no pun intended) of what the program is doing. 19:22:00 dangerboy: Well, you'll have to learn this instrument. 19:22:06 http://www.shido.info/lisp/idx_scm_e.html 19:22:10 I almost understand. 19:22:23 now, cadr is both car and cdr put together? 19:22:30 Yes. 19:22:50 and I guess the problem is that it's expecting something but it isn't there. 19:22:52 dangerboy: but in a specific order 19:23:02 you get cdar too 19:23:12 it's just a matter of now knowing which thing it's expecting but not getting. 19:23:15 okay. thank you. 19:23:25 I think I understand. 19:23:27 -!- _p4bl0 [~user@berthold.shebang.ws] has quit [Client Quit] 19:23:47 dangerboy: honestly, scheme is less complex than musical composition. 19:24:09 I wouldn't know. I only know how to compose music. 19:24:22 This proves you have enough neurons to learn scheme :-) 19:25:13 that's your opinion. 19:25:34 Have you ever played with lego? 19:26:11 If not, why not? :) 19:26:37 If you have, you have all the pre-requisite to become a programmer. 19:26:49 but maybe it's not his plan for today! 19:27:00 -!- b4283 [~b4283@114-47-6-83.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:38 pjb: what is an if statement in lego? ;p 19:27:59 leppie: the yellow ones duh 19:28:40 honestly, I'm happy if I can just get the notes into the program. 19:28:46 Well, in modern lego they have electronic switches. But the ability to build from construction blocks is more fundamental than the specifics. 19:29:50 dangerboy: maybe yu can paste the error message you get. 19:30:17 I doubt it would help you but, Interpreting music.../Users/jamesbailey/opt/local/share/lilypond/2.15.96/scm/music-functions.scm:1352:11: In procedure cadr in expression (cadr entry): 19:30:21 /Users/jamesbailey/opt/local/share/lilypond/2.15.96/scm/music-functions.scm:1352:11: Wrong type (expecting pair): 1/2 19:30:37 Here there's a ratio 1/2. 19:31:17 You may have a version too recent. 19:31:36 The 2.15.95 is unstable. 2.15.96 is not for users, but for programmers to debug 19:31:51 Get the 2.14.2 instead. http://lilypond.org/ 19:32:12 Interpreting music... ERROR: Wrong type (expecting pair): 1/2 19:32:18 that's the error from 2.14.2 19:32:40 dangerboy: what does your "entry" look like? 19:32:48 Do you have a "1/2" somewhere? 19:32:51 Or (/ 1 2) 19:32:53 ? 19:32:53 \set Staff.keySignature = #`(((0 . 4) . ,SHARP) ((0 . 7) . ,SHARP) ((0 . 3) . ,SHARP)) 19:33:22 oddly, this exact line works elsewhere. 19:35:37 and if I use the short for (4 . ,SHARP) etc, it works fine, but that doesn't produce the output I want. 19:35:42 form* 19:36:43 dangerboy: what does SHARP looks like? Cna you see its definition? 19:36:49 look* 19:36:55 I wouldn't know where to look. 19:37:01 Alright. 19:37:10 but it makes a sharp. 19:37:17 Ok 19:37:22 :) 19:37:29 speaking of lego, I've been drooling over their modular houses range recently 19:37:39 figuratively, of course 19:38:05 dangerboy: is it possible that SHARP is 1/2? 19:38:25 I guess. 19:38:33 a sharp is 1/2 step higher 19:39:23 add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-52-164.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 19:39:32 dangerboy: maybe you can try \set Staff.keySignature = #`(((0 . 4) ,SHARP) ((0 . 7) ,SHARP) ((0 . 3) ,SHARP)) 19:39:40 Just to see what happens. 19:40:11 I.e., no . before ,SHARP 19:40:55 Interpreting music... [8]ERROR: Wrong type (expecting pair): () 19:43:14 \set Staff.keySignature = #`(((octave . step) . alter) ((octave . step) . alter) ...) where, for each element in the list, octave specifies the octave (0 being the octave from middle C to the B above), step specifies the note within the octave (0 means C and 6 means B), and alter is ,SHARP ,FLAT ,DOUBLE-SHARP etc. (Note the leading comma.) 19:44:01 So the syntax looks right. 19:44:01 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-137-166.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:07 Alternatively, for each item in the list, using the more concise format (step . alter) specifies that the same alteration should hold in all octaves. 19:44:30 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-54-219-236.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 19:44:35 okay, I give up. I'm going to make lemon squares. 19:44:38 thanks anyway. 19:44:40 -!- dangerboy [~dangerboy@unaffiliated/blackboy] has left #scheme 19:45:07 I feel his pain. 19:45:35 I'm guessing there's some macro-substitution failure going on that only happens to manifest there. 19:46:22 Or maybe some misbalanced parens somewhere. 19:46:24 -!- tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.137.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:16 does lilypond have unit tests? 19:49:40 rudybot: where's my lemon squares? 19:49:41 ijp: yuk, lemon flavored Perrier :( 19:49:59 rudybot: why do you humour him? 19:50:00 FurnaceBoy: i do love old comedies. the new ones have too much toilet humour 19:54:59 rudybot: do you the "carry on" films? 19:55:00 ijp: i currently carry an mp3 player (sony) and a camera so it's no use for me to upgrade to a device that doesn't combine them both 19:57:54 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:01:32 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD601AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:07:53 dlind [~user@h-2-78.a322.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 20:10:04 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:07 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:19:42 phao_ [phao@187.117.192.208] has joined #scheme 20:19:47 yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:19:55 -!- phao_ is now known as phao 20:23:40 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 20:38:51 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:42:36 -!- tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:51 adiii [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:50:07 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-52-164.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 20:51:38 It's too bad dangerboy left. 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