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inconsequential, as all an assignment does is modify the environment? 17:37:58 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD608BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:38:01 that's the whole point of assignment 17:39:08 it's not inconsequential at all 17:39:42 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:39:42 remember parts of the environment are shared 17:39:52 redscare: i think it only restores after the last instruction in the begin block 17:41:56 just to be clear i'm talking about this section and the one right after: http://tinyurl.com/989jg75 17:43:30 it seems to me (and i may be being stupid) that the code does this: 'save environment, evaluate instruction, restore environment', so 'instruction' cannot have any effect on the environment? 17:44:20 a better description: 'get next instruction, (unless last instruction) save environment, evaluate instruction, restore environment, recurse' 17:48:12 eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #scheme 17:49:07 untrusted [~user@stgt-5f71b91a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 17:50:44 so i'm still confused, because it seems like any changes made to the environment are lost in evaluation 17:51:00 i don't know , i haven't reached that part of the book yet , so what i say may be completely wrong . lets say that you "create" an envirnment by (let ((a something) ...) ... (let ((b somethingelse) ...) ...)) the inner let inherits in it's environment a and declares b as an extra 17:51:08 if you setf a inside the second let block 17:51:22 it's going to have its actual value altered in the outer block too 17:51:35 although after the end of the second let the environment will be restored 17:52:12 ramrunner: as far as I can tell the parallel to the metacircular interpreter in ch. 4 is pretty thin at that point 17:54:19 redscare: the environment needs to be saved, since the instruction may replace that register with a different one 17:54:29 this happens, for instance, when invoking a closure 17:54:58 now for assigment, it doesn't replace the environment 17:55:18 so the structure points to the same thing 17:55:34 the saves and restores are effectively noops 17:56:32 ijp: oh, so 'env' here is just a pointer? 17:56:37 yes 17:56:51 ijp: thanks a lot, that clears that up 17:57:58 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 18:01:44 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:08:12 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 18:29:08 -!- untrusted [~user@stgt-5f71b91a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:53 tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.138.209] has joined #scheme 18:53:09 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.152.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:56:22 -!- tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.138.209] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:22:24 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-27-97.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:26:26 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:40:25 bfgun [~b_fin_g@r190-135-4-87.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 19:43:12 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:43:37 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-54-248-21.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:44:31 capitalism3 [ad37e918@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.55.233.24] has joined #scheme 19:44:40 any racket user? 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