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07:21:32 it is* 07:23:18 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:24:10 scsh 07:24:16 but its few years old 07:24:23 it seems kinda nice in fact 07:24:31 well 07:24:40 tcl, unix and bash are older, I bet. =) 07:25:10 I guess it has most of what you need 07:25:24 bash and tcl piss me off regularly 07:25:26 if it doesn't, you're likely to be able to build yourself easily 07:25:32 both are very easy sometimes 07:25:34 never used tcl 07:25:42 and I wrote very little sh... 07:25:53 I fear the real problem is that the things I am doing are fixing problems created by other software 07:26:01 I'd choose languages with wide text-processing support 07:26:26 that's easy to use right away... I think perl, python or ruby would be my first choices 07:26:41 like getting data from amazon ec2, then checking cacti monitor which uses mysql and php to see if the things match 07:26:47 then using api calls to cacti to fix things 07:26:49 zzz 07:26:55 its so clumsy 07:27:09 I really want to avoid perl python and ruby 07:27:18 I find those bleh 07:27:20 hmm 07:27:23 Id rather learn scheme 07:27:35 and then as I go maybe the power of lisp can come helpme 07:27:41 =) 07:27:58 then I can eventually do some websites with scheme 07:27:59 I love scheme, honestly 07:28:01 and get rich 07:28:07 I'd rather use it than these 3 I mentioned 07:28:12 well I find lists fun 07:28:18 The thing is... 07:28:38 I thing you're unlikely to see "the power of lisp" by doing these things 07:28:43 hm 07:28:50 think* 07:28:54 I set a goal to read sicp 07:28:57 all the way 07:29:00 starting tomorrow 07:29:02 good goal 07:29:21 I mean I can even see in my minds eye everything as lists 07:29:34 I think that if you compare scheme with for example python or javascript 07:29:41 products, prices, orders, times, shipping, monitoring, 07:30:09 I guess I'd choose the language with the more appropriated library 07:30:24 because except for continuations and macros (and the syntax), I don't see that much of a difference 07:30:38 well, python has lists built in too 07:30:42 -!- LeoNerd [~leo@fairy.dictatorshipcake.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:31:18 > (* 34 34.3) 07:31:18 1166.1999999999998 07:31:25 hmm gambit is intersting 07:31:47 I think you should get straight what you want =) and choose a language appropriatedly 07:31:52 scheme is an appropriate one, IMO 07:32:06 but I think you should look at other options too, just to not regret later =D 07:32:36 chicken is amazing for everything... it's the implementation I use when I do scheme 07:32:40 chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #scheme 07:32:48 really? 07:32:54 yes 07:33:02 what is (* 43.3 34) in csi? 07:33:05 I am a bit biased though =) 07:33:22 1472.2 07:33:24 eggs are impressive system 07:33:30 yes 07:33:52 there are eggs for lots of stuff... mario-goulart did and does a lot of eggs for web development 07:34:01 I guess this should help you too 07:34:23 awful and spiffy! 07:34:25 yeah 07:34:28 awesome 07:34:38 check out the docs... there is lots of stuff that come with chicken 07:34:51 I wonder why gambit gives funny answer 07:35:01 > (* 43.3 34) 07:35:01 1472.1999999999998 07:35:05 still, it's not like everything is in there... you have to write code too 07:35:08 maybe amd64? 07:35:15 idk 07:35:27 now scheme is great for writing code right? 07:35:30 maybe it's one of those strange floating point issues 07:35:42 let me compile chicken and see 07:35:57 scheme is great, yes. 07:37:23 PLATFORM=linux I hope is ok for amd64 07:38:47 if you use linux 07:38:55 maybe you should get it through the pkg manager 07:39:28 I am on archlinux and I can 07:39:34 but I like to complile 07:39:37 to get really latest 07:39:42 I see there is brand new one 07:39:56 wow its really going 07:40:03 maybe I shoulda done make -j5 07:41:26 #;1> (* 43.3 34) 07:41:26 1472.2 07:41:28 yep 07:41:45 chicken seems slightly better in this one tiny aspect than gambit 07:42:18 gambit does come with command history without installing something like line noise 07:42:19 but 07:42:23 egs to the rescue! 07:42:32 check for the readline egg 07:42:44 windows cmd.exe here does history for me 07:42:58 history here seems to be part of the console, it works for all applications 07:43:26 ha!! 07:43:29 I have rlwrap 07:43:33 and rlwrap csi works 07:43:34 or 07:43:40 I can grab linenoise 07:43:50 I forget config bit leme goto call-cc 07:44:48 (use linenoise) (current-input-port (make-linenoise-port)) 07:44:57 here we go 07:45:07 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 07:45:32 awesome 07:46:34 there is #chicken too 07:46:46 yeah there is a guy who doesnt like me there he baned me 07:46:53 -!- chaotic_good is now known as gavino_himself 07:46:57 I am gavino 07:47:07 I am a bit of an argumentitive guy sometime I guess 07:47:16 sjaaman is his handle 07:47:24 I tried to make good 07:47:28 but hes mad still 07:48:20 Peter Bex this guy maybe 07:48:22 I forget 07:48:27 I am not sure what to do 07:48:30 to make amends 07:48:41 you use chicken on windows? 07:48:44 interestesing 07:49:23 yes 07:49:52 I feel bad about making the guy mad. 07:50:14 lol 07:50:36 not sure howto make amends 07:51:26 hpefully phao is not bex? 07:51:32 that would be awekawrd 07:52:06 antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #scheme 07:52:38 gambit looks awesome too 07:52:41 termite 07:53:29 certainty: do you know him? 07:54:12 http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/webgate wow look @ this 07:55:18 hmm 07:55:24 bex? 07:56:12 opyright (C) 2011 Thomas Chust 07:56:30 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-41.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 07:58:50 http://wiki.call-cc.org/users/peter-bex bex kicking some ass 07:58:56 ton o 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mutable [~mutable@37.157.192.89] has joined #scheme 12:33:36 Hello. Is there any equivalent of printf in scheme ? 12:34:09 it's usually called format 12:34:23 mutable: not in standard scheme, but most implementations provide `format', `fmt' or even `printf'. 12:34:55 mutable: what implementation are you using? 12:35:00 ah, silly me 12:35:06 found it http://web.mit.edu/scheme_v9.0.1/doc/mit-scheme-ref/Format.html 12:35:10 mario-goulart, i'm using gambit-c 12:35:12 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-168.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 12:35:30 pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 12:35:44 mario-goulart, ijp, thank you 12:35:48 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:03 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 12:37:18 -!- pjb is now known as Guest74472 12:40:38 -!- Guest74472 is now known as pjb`` 12:40:46 -!- pjb`` is now known as pjb 12:40:56 i would like to print something like '%0d' (number prepended with zeros), how would you do it in your implementation ? 12:41:21 format doesn't seem to have such feature 12:41:44 and i can't find anything similar in gambit-c docs, i'll search more ... 12:42:13 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 12:43:47 mutable: I think fmt is able to do that: http://synthcode.com/scheme/fmt/ 12:44:05 mutable: there is an srfi that does I think 12:44:18 48 intermediate-format-strings maybe 12:44:27 28 definitely doesn't 12:44:55 yes, 48 is the one I am thinking of, never used it ;p 12:45:10 CL format definitely has that (but what else is new) 12:45:40 oh noes, someone said the c word in #scheme! 12:45:43 ;p 12:46:12 I don't think they'll begrudge me that particular comment 12:46:42 mutable: alternatively, you can just port `format' or `printf' from other implementations. 12:47:17 Or make your own formatter. :-) 12:47:19 mario-goulart, i think that's the only possibility 12:47:27 yea, the second one is better =) 12:48:25 thank you all 12:48:50 mutable: try (format #t "~5,'0d" 33), see if that works 12:49:13 maybe they support CL format in all it's hairyness, and just haven't documented it :) 12:49:38 ijp, unfortunately, gambit-c doesn't know format 12:50:12 ah 12:50:41 well, all i need is to prettify output of one exercise from SICP, nothing serious =) 12:50:55 i guess i'll just don't do that 12:52:24 mutable: However, in CL: (format nil "~5,'0d" -33) => "00-33" ; how does that scheme format work? 12:53:00 pjb: the same thing happens with guile's format 12:53:36 hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 12:53:59 which, without checking the hyperspec, is probably a full copy of CL format 12:54:17 pjb, no idea =( 12:54:18 It's really a strange specification. Perhaps there are accountants somewhere who write numbers like that? 12:54:26 hmm, manual says it is missing some of the features 12:54:50 maybe it only supports one kind of roman numeral :P 12:55:00 Or perhaps it was just an unnoticed bug in precursor lisps. :-) 12:59:20 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.36.109] has joined #scheme 13:00:19 yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #scheme 13:02:35 -!- pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:04:21 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:04:32 -!- keenbug [~daniel@p4FE38732.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 13:08:28 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-31-173.dynamic.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 13:11:41 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:18:02 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-161.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [] 13:21:58 -!- z0d 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It has been said that in (proc expr1 expr2 expr3), the order of execution for expr1, expr2 and expr3 is undefined. What about (let ((x 1)) expr1 expr2 expr3), is the order undefinded as well in that case? 21:05:35 flaggy: no, because that is inside an implied BEGIN 21:05:41 flaggy: those are individual expressions 21:05:54 I see 21:05:55 flaggy: the former rule applies to function application 21:06:02 thanks 21:06:05 np 21:11:34 -!- ffs [~garland@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:07 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:19 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-63-88.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 21:19:29 bro_grammer [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:19:39 -!- keenbug [~daniel@p4FE38732.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:20:07 -!- treefor [~ian@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:20:29 sizz_ [~sizz@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:20:37 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:21:29 -!- sizz [~sizz@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:23:19 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:35:00 treefor [~ian@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:36:35 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-31-173.dynamic.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 21:45:03 dnolen [~user@h211.81.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #scheme 21:52:42 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 21:53:56 turbofail [~user@38.99.37.210] has joined #scheme 22:08:01 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:23:38 -!- dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:23:40 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:24:13 dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has joined #scheme 22:31:03 -!- dzhus [~dzhus@95-28-55-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:33:09 -!- mario-goulart [~user@wkit.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:50 mario-goulart [~user@wkit.com.br] has joined #scheme 22:36:16 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@ool-18ba55c0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 22:36:58 realitygrill [~realitygr@ool-18ba55c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 22:37:08 -!- dnolen [~user@h211.81.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:38:06 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@75-142-48-121.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:15 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:41:13 -!- Reisen [~Mor@unaffiliated/reisen] has left #scheme 22:42:07 -!- JoelMcCracken [~user@50-73-162-177-pennsylvania.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:42:31 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 22:42:54 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 22:48:04 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:53:12 -!- phao [phao@177.115.148.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:17 phao_ [phao@177.27.23.48] has joined #scheme 22:54:05 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:00:47 -!- bipt [~bpt@rrcs-98-101-11-199.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:07:13 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@ool-18ba55c0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:08:08 -!- phao_ [phao@177.27.23.48] has quit [Quit: Not Here] 23:08:28 -!- levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:08:46 -!- copumpkin is now known as Escrow 23:18:29 -!- Escrow is now known as copumpkin 23:20:05 realitygrill [~realitygr@ool-18ba55c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 23:30:26 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #scheme 23:54:54 -!- dmx [~dmx@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:55:07 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zkjowwcybeyqgshh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:03 confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme