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I can't find one in bigloo or chibi. 03:00:10 guile has select 03:01:05 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 03:01:50 racket has that whole "sync" system 03:03:01 gauche has (make ) and pals 03:03:16 not a lot of agreement on how to do this, apparently 03:04:37 i don't see a way in mosh either 03:08:50 -!- chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:13:34 chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #scheme 03:14:58 phao [phao@177.115.223.193] has joined #scheme 03:17:44 sethalves: it's builtin to chibi - just create a file or tcp port and read's on it will be non-blocking 03:18:10 accept is also non-blocking 03:18:52 -!- tertl4 [~tertl3@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:21:34 it will busy-loop? 03:21:54 no 03:22:22 the scheduler automatically polls for you 03:23:14 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-31-173.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:23:30 i'm not sure i understand. if the program has two sockets open, and I want it to do nothing until data arrives on one or the other... 03:24:43 then create two threads, and have each read from one of the sockets 03:24:58 it will just work (and not busy loop) 03:25:00 ah! yes threads. that works fine 03:25:08 i thought you were telling me a non-threaded way to do it 03:25:42 tertl7 [~tertl3@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:28:33 pushp0p [~pushp0p@173.230.139.35] has joined #scheme 03:28:57 -!- pushp0p is now known as Guest11654 03:29:49 -!- Guest11654 is now known as prinnysocks 03:34:41 https://gist.github.com/3223398 03:35:59 i'm trying to understand exactly what's going on 03:36:10 is #0 a null character or something 03:37:24 look 03:37:29 #0 = ... 03:37:35 #0 is the list 03:37:39 it recognized the cycle, it seems 03:37:41 oh i see 03:38:06 i was misinterpreting the word cycle 03:38:09 from what it is in ruby 03:38:28 what did you think it was going to do? 03:38:58 well in ruby a cycle is an object you create out of an enumerable 03:39:12 when you call .next on it it gives you the next element in the enumerable ad infinitum 03:39:15 hmm 03:39:32 ad infinitum? 03:39:37 so i think i was trying to understand it in some kind of context of 'wrapping around' 03:39:47 this sounds like some sort of cursor or iterator 03:40:31 yeah 03:40:33 it's an iterator 03:41:23 strange name to give it, but I guess there is a reason why they call it cycle 03:41:41 ruby was invented by the japanese right? 03:41:46 yeah a japanese guy 03:41:51 it doesn't have bugs... asians write perfect code 03:41:56 there are some idiosyncratic naming things in it 03:42:40 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-130-223.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:42:53 I was walking through that ruby tutorial on the website yesterday morning 03:43:32 it looks sort of nice 03:46:17 it's a nice language 03:46:23 everything returns a value which is cool 03:46:29 x = case Foo 03:46:36 when Bar 03:46:40 "x" 03:46:42 end 03:46:51 x would be equal to "x" 03:47:08 i find that to be sort of lisp inspired 03:47:21 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:49:10 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 03:49:43 maybe it is 03:50:42 one of the nice things about python, ruby, js, it seems is that 03:50:57 they make some things more straighfoward 03:51:26 for example, in many cases, in scheme, you need a continuation to return -- I guess all these other languages have a return statement 03:51:39 cdidd [~cdidd@89-178-143-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 03:51:48 phao: you return the last expression 03:51:50 in ruby 03:51:55 if you don't explicitly call return 03:52:09 then exclude ruby from the list =) 03:52:26 objects are another example 03:52:27 yeah ruby to me feels like a more proper multi-paradigm language than python 03:52:29 i used to love python 03:53:04 in js is very straighfoward to have an object... I guess in ruby and python is too (In ruby, through the tutorial, it looked straighfoward) 03:54:29 scheme is very very cool, but to do common things, I get the feeling that it's not even close to straighfoward 03:54:36 yeah 03:54:40 it's an academic language 03:54:44 but not production-ready 03:55:00 well, people use it for writing "real world" programs 03:55:27 so, maybe they put up with the inconveniences 03:55:50 or maybe these inconveniences are not there (maybe I got the wrong impression) 03:56:12 se... 03:56:17 see* 03:56:35 you cannot have "straighfoward objects" as primitives, but you can make a macro/function that lets you have then 03:56:54 it's not difficult to make something like (make-object (name value) name name (name value)) 03:56:54 yeah 03:56:57 no object literals 03:57:05 no language facilities for objects 03:57:08 so, idk... 03:57:17 but through encapsulated state and dispatch you can have objects 04:03:56 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:04:25 some implementations have object systems readily available 04:04:32 http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/yasos 04:04:40 http://community.schemewiki.org/?object-systems 04:05:10 http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/mzlib_class.html 04:05:22 or, if you just want records, look at srfi-9, which almost every scheme supports 04:05:32 sethalves: is it fair to say that one way of implementing objects in scheme could depend on closures and a dispatch function? 04:05:53 uh sure? 04:07:09 "one way" allows you to put lots in there 04:07:25 like this? http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-18/mail-archive/msg00038.html 04:09:49 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:20 sethalves, yes 04:11:48 I mostly programmed in Scheme, C, C++ and SML (very little of SML) 04:12:06 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:12:07 and I used to undervalue special syntax for things, like having special syntax for if or return, or arrays 04:12:22 but today I think that's sort of important 04:12:42 I'd much rather write code for dealing with arrays in C than in scheme, in many situations. 04:12:43 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 04:13:24 just because the syntax is more convenient, and language supports it 04:13:58 of course that, there is also "the rest of the language" hehe, and considering that, I'd probably go with scheme... but looking at arrays only, C is much more convenient for that in many situations 04:14:46 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:16:11 here's another example of that sort of object: http://irreal.org/blog/?p=40 04:38:47 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:50:12 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:59:30 lcc [d03627d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.54.39.214] has joined #scheme 05:10:40 sethalves: (re: message from #chicken) you're using pure R5RS + SRFI-18 - have you tried running that on another imple 05:10:50 implementation? 05:11:16 yeah it was counting upward in others (like chicken) but those zeros in there mean non-blocking lock-getting 05:11:20 which doesn't make sense 05:11:26 i remove those and chibi acts right 05:11:41 ok 05:11:47 so, nevermind, unless you're curious 05:12:27 actually... i still see some skips 05:12:41 btw, (chibi channel) provides mailboxes for your 05:12:54 -!- lcc [d03627d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.54.39.214] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:13:34 with the locks set to block, i see way fewer skips, but still some 05:14:08 http://paste.lisp.org/display/130796 05:14:58 are they skips or just out of order? I don't see anything which guarantees order. 05:15:33 i see 0 2 3 5 6 ..., for example 05:15:38 4 should be in there 05:18:43 that's one of the strawman mailbox impls in the srfi 05:18:51 can you try the proper one that uses condvars? 05:19:08 yeah 05:20:41 actually it's still a depth one mailbox, which is why you see skips 05:21:02 there's nothing preventing the value being overwritten before the reader gets it 05:21:37 oh, nm, the mutex should prevent that 05:22:06 -!- fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:22:43 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-231-37.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #scheme 05:22:44 wow the condvar one isn't working for me at all 05:22:48 hm 05:27:00 because there's a lame bug in the code! 05:27:14 get! doesn't return result 05:30:18 using (chibi channel) works fine for me 05:31:16 anyway, I don't have time right now, play around and log an issue if it looks like a bug 05:31:22 okay 05:31:43 lcc 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-r 9c340943f089 # 2012-5-23 -- good 16:14:43 hg update -r 50fcf54ca16a # 2012-6-2 -- bad 16:14:53 that diff is only a change to write, it seems 16:15:03 so, i'm still pretty confused 16:15:06 yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #scheme 16:24:32 i opened http://code.google.com/p/chibi-scheme/issues/detail?id=141 16:30:12 -!- samth [~samth@racket/samth] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:30:40 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 16:32:38 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 16:36:00 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable151.155-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 16:40:13 -!- vu3rdd` [~vu3rdd@122.167.124.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:18 scheme is so enlightening 16:47:24 jewel_ [~jewel@196-210-172-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:53:16 hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:53:52 -!- phao [phao@177.115.223.193] has quit [Quit: Not Here] 16:55:47 -!- 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