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has joined #scheme 02:16:00 jcowan: full unicode (scheme char) is not as huge as I feared - chibi can support it in a 1.6M heap 02:17:31 *jcowan* nods. 02:17:40 Yes, Unicode's reputation for bulk is greatly exaggerated. 02:17:48 How are you storing the data? 02:19:29 -!- carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 02:20:19 Unicode is not huge, but not small either - this is a pretty aggressive compaction. (scheme base) alone takes up most of that heap. 02:22:38 The first step walks an alist of ((offset-to-lower . char-set) ...). For downcase, if the char is in any of the sets I can compute the downcase from the offset. For upcase it checks in the reverse direction. 02:24:16 That covers most pairs since the majority offsets are one of a few values. For the remaining special cases I just do a binary search in a plain vector. 02:26:15 This assumes your char-sets are compact, something I also spent a lot of time optimizing. 02:27:33 I still need to support multi-char conversions, but that's also a relatively small set of exceptions. 02:31:48 *jcowan* will RTFS 02:35:19 it won't help :P 02:36:53 also not heavily tested, so there may be bugs, but nothing that would change the size 02:41:56 -!- imphasing [~Alex@97-81-80-39.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:42:03 -!- fbs_ [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rkwjsxeyjgvbvgwt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:42:17 fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xfldxntuispoguzs] has joined #scheme 02:42:17 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xfldxntuispoguzs] has quit [Changing host] 02:42:18 fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined #scheme 03:13:54 and1_ [~namtsui@adsl-69-105-225-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:14:04 -!- and1_ [~namtsui@adsl-69-105-225-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #scheme 03:18:53 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 03:30:23 What, isn't it well known that the best way to explain a Scheme program is with another Scheme program, preferably more complicated? 03:31:46 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 03:44:34 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-31-226.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:08:04 ssbr_ [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has joined #scheme 04:21:16 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:21:47 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 04:24:14 -!- Guest60021 [~user@206.Red-88-0-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:25:59 -!- getpwnam [~ian@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:33:45 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:35:35 phao [phao@177.174.148.9] has joined #scheme 04:35:48 -!- phao [phao@177.174.148.9] has left #scheme 04:46:17 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:51:17 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-62.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 04:51:42 -!- disciple [~krishna@117.207.109.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:53:40 disciple [~krishna@117.207.109.152] has joined #scheme 05:05:46 jcowan: That would be the Scheme program that generates the code. 05:06:27 If, that is, it is written in Scheme. 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Isn't the length of one bit, be it zero or one, just...one? 19:33:35 *qu1j0t3* laments 19:33:49 ijp: doing bitwaise-length adds another loop, not what the look for in an interview I guess ;p 19:34:41 leppie: I said _for clarity_, not for performance :) 19:34:52 dan64- [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #scheme 19:34:52 -!- dan64- [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:35:37 Riastradh: if you prefer, you can think of the names as being is-bit-n-a-one? and number-of-bits-to-represent-this-integer, or whatever :P 19:36:15 Why not just call them BIT-SET? and INTEGER-LENGTH? 19:36:43 Riastradh: I assume it was because they wanted a consistent prefix for all the procedures in (rnrs arithmetic bitwise) 19:37:17 A consistently stupid prefix? 19:37:41 yes, just like most scheme libraries 19:38:28 It's bad enough writing bit-hacking code in Scheme without the stupid prefix; is the goal to make sure that anyone who approaches with the intent to do will walk away in disgust at the illegible verbosity of the matter? 19:39:16 don't shoot the library user 19:39:22 em 19:39:23 :-) 19:39:44 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 19:40:02 `to do so' 19:42:04 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:59 leppie: Shouldn't (find-longest-gap 0) --> 32 ? 19:48:33 pjb: no, the question actually states that case, but also 0 is not 00000000000000000000000000000000 19:49:06 well the 0's can be ignored 19:49:59 Riastradh: Nothing stops you from renameing them or defining an alias 19:51:03 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-31-226.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:53:06 Blkt [~user@82.84.189.92] has joined #scheme 19:53:34 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:54:27 leppie: Yes, 0 is not in the domain of the specification, but the logical extension would be to return 31, not 0. Here's my solution http://paste.lisp.org/display/130660 (I return #f for 0). 19:55:12 pjb: that would be defined then, especially if dealing with any size numbers 19:57:06 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:57:30 masm [~masm@bl18-49-238.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 19:57:40 well at least Riastradh didn't complain about my indentation ;p 19:58:22 dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #scheme 19:58:22 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:58:26 keenbug [~daniel@p4FE38BF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:59:16 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:02:52 dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #scheme 20:06:19 DGASAU` [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #scheme 20:06:42 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:08:17 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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[Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:24:51 -!- asumu [~asumu@syrah.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:25:22 asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has joined #scheme 23:25:44 -!- asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has quit [Changing host] 23:25:44 asumu [~at@racket/asumu] has joined #scheme 23:31:25 Why do you think R5RS defined `procedure?' instead of e.g. `lambda?'? Is `procedure?' more general, including things like continuations? 23:32:18 yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:33:58 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:34:26 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-31-226.dynamic.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 23:37:31 i think so 23:37:44 is Scheme really supposed to be lambda calculus 23:37:46 i mean 23:37:52 that is its structure 23:38:30 -!- masm [~masm@bl18-49-238.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:42:31 i was reading the origianl notes 23:42:49 it was something like scheme: an implememntaion of the lambda calc 23:44:22 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:52:06 -!- ijp [~user@host81-159-30-38.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: later peeps] 23:54:55 -!- dzhus [~dzhus@95-28-55-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:41 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme