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(f '(1 (2 3)) '(3 (4 5))) => #t 03:25:22 and (f '(1 2 (3)) '(1 (2 3))) => #f 03:26:16 or do we need to do it manually... 03:30:18 SN0W: Manually, as far as I know (still pretty new to scheme). It shouldn't be too hard to do, though. 03:30:23 SN0W: there's no predefined function. 03:30:39 It would be rather trivial to do. 03:31:40 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 03:31:48 All right, thanks. 03:32:02 (define (tree-equal? a b) (or (and (pair? a) (pair? b) (tree-equal? (car a) (car b)) (tree-equal? (cdr a) (cdr b))) (and (not (pair? a)) (not (pair? b))))) 03:32:56 A better name than tree-equal? may be found. 03:33:47 phao [phao@177.115.167.9] has joined #scheme 03:33:48 I see, thanks for the tip 03:34:29 also, is (format "~a" object) the best way to obtain a string representation of object? 03:38:27 hi SN0W: 03:38:45 SN0W: equal? 03:39:40 SN0W: I wouldn't say that. For one thing, format is not r5rs. 03:39:53 adu: same-pair-structure? 03:40:12 ThePawnBreak [Cristi@94.177.108.25] has joined #scheme 03:40:48 SN0W: in r5rs, you would have to write your own function, using cond, the type predicates and the various ->string functions. 03:41:11 SN0W: you can also (call-with-string-port (lambda (port) (write x port))) 03:41:29 where x is the thing you want a string of 03:41:58 I see thanks for the advices :) 03:42:03 If you happen to have it, it's not in r5rs. 03:42:40 *pjb* should read r7rs 03:43:11 or (call-with-port (open-output-string) (lambda (port) (write x port))) in r7rs 03:43:33 adu: in r5rs there are only: call-with-current-continuation call-with-input-file call-with-output-file call-with-values 03:43:47 pjb: I'm aware 03:44:02 ok, I missed the trailling "in r7rs". 03:44:21 pjb: well my first suggestion would only work in r6rs 03:44:37 and I misspelled it too :P it's actually call-with-string-output-port 03:47:39 -!- Arbamisto 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anyone using it? 13:01:54 also, is ypsilon dead? 13:03:23 *zmv* is more of a CLer 13:03:28 I wouldn't really know. 13:18:13 ok 13:18:20 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:19:47 -!- chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:38:34 antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #scheme 13:41:29 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #scheme 13:42:43 disciple: ask foof about chibi :) 13:47:05 venom00ut [~venom00@unaffiliated/venom00] has joined #scheme 13:48:40 hi, is there a way to have the parameters of a function as a list? a shortcut for params: (define asd (x . y) (let ((params (cons x y))) ...)) 13:49:15 This is not scheme code. 13:49:28 ecraven: thanks. 13:49:28 (define (asd . params) ) 13:50:20 pjb, yeah I made a mistake 13:50:37 asd should be inside the parenthesis 13:51:16 pjb, right, thanks 13:54:14 -!- ThePawnBreak [Cristi@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 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[~lars@p4FDC4F1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:09:41 I would certainly hope so 18:10:37 wingo [~wingo@191.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has joined #scheme 18:22:28 -!- tupi [~david@187.80.129.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:01 haha woops 18:23:09 i meant imported within a closure 18:23:52 then IIRC no 18:25:12 hmm, not sure what to think about it 18:26:02 I wish there was a better way to mesh the inbuilt ability of closures to reperesent libraries with a full blow library system 18:26:45 Sonarpulse: using closures to represent libraries doesn't work for macros 18:27:00 excelent point 18:27:28 you heard of fexprs? 18:27:38 yes 18:29:07 i guess their shunned upon 18:29:44 but they always seemed like a good idea to me 18:29:55 to me, they lack use cases 18:30:04 well, i've never used them 18:30:06 :) 18:30:30 just read about them 18:31:02 if lisp macros are so good because they have the whole runtime ability of the languages at their disposal durring compile-time 18:31:34 it seems the converse, having macro-like functionality durring run time would also be great 18:32:40 AFIAK, with fexprs, the language specification need not worry about runtime vs compiletime 18:32:57 everything that can be done durring one can be done durring the other 18:33:38 so an optimizer could treat a fexpr as a macro and resolve it compile time, 18:33:57 if if it's used in a first-class, function way, 18:34:17 use it run-time as a fexpr 18:34:36 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.253.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:37:40 You can implement fexpr with macros. 18:38:12 -!- Tinek [~Tinek@139.Red-79-154-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:44 Only functional fexpr could be optimized at compilation time. If the fexpr has side effects, it must be evaluated at run-time. 18:41:03 Fexpr did work well in lisps that had only dynamic bindings. But with lexical binding, the fexp would need to have access to the lexical bindings, they'd require a wider interface with the compiler and run-time. 18:46:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:53:53 -!- hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:56:24 hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 19:00:11 all macros i think could be written as a pure fexpr 19:01:48 your critiques make sense, but i think they best apply to using fexprs beyond the use of immitating macros 19:01:56 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 19:05:53 jewel [~jewel@196-210-141-210.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:08:56 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:19:48 rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@222-155-139-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 19:20:19 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 19:21:22 we left self-modifying code in the fifties for a reason 19:22:09 :) 19:22:26 ijp: that said, most of the mainstream has just crawled out of the fifties. barely. 19:23:16 wake me up when they move beyond 1995 19:23:17 phao [phao@177.174.83.173] has joined #scheme 19:27:55 jao [~user@206.Red-88-0-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:28:02 -!- jao [~user@206.Red-88-0-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:28:02 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 19:30:14 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-31-226.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:32:53 https://twitter.com/LauJensen/status/199617604728524801 19:34:41 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:46:05 does anyone have a copy of Abdulaziz Ghuloum's compiler writing tutorial (the longer version)? 19:46:36 eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #scheme 19:47:49 I can't seem to find it. Pages linked to him no longer work... 19:48:53 I think it is available from the wayback machine 19:49:13 is that one that strives to neither be a "toy compiler" or fully fledge industrial strength one? 19:49:44 Sonarpulse: is is about writing one incrementally, with a working compiler at each stage 19:49:48 yeah, 19:50:04 i saw a version on university of chigago web page 19:50:16 but that might not be "the longer version" 19:50:27 it was a bit hard to follow and semed very truncated 19:52:36 disciple: http://web.archive.org/web/20110310092701/http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~aghuloum/ 19:52:37 http://tinyurl.com/cjdf82s 19:53:04 ijp: thanks. looking at it. it looks like the 11-page paper. wasn't there a longer version? 19:53:29 I don't think the supporting material was longer 19:53:56 hmm, should be about 50 pages, now that I've checked 19:54:29 disciple: it is on that page, the "compilers tutorial" link 19:54:54 yay! 19:55:02 thanks ijp! 19:55:41 disciple: now that I've told you, I want you to promise me you won't release yet another toy scheme compiler 19:55:53 of course no. 19:55:59 write a toy ML or something 19:56:29 just want to learn the language and write programs in it. 19:56:51 embed a small scheme into my servers... 19:56:54 and have some fun. 19:57:05 cut down recompiles... 19:57:15 save some life energy etc etc. 19:59:01 did something happen to aghuloum? his stuff just vanished... 19:59:46 I think he went to work in kuwait 20:02:07 disciple: you have several "speed brackets" for scheme 20:02:36 tiny-scheme and s9 are pure interpreters (ultra-slow) 20:03:11 ha foof... been waiting for you :) 20:03:26 I've been tracking chibi the past few months. 20:03:31 most other interpreters (including guile and chibi) are in the same ballpark after that 20:04:08 faster than python? 20:04:21 don't expect it to be faster than lua 20:05:01 haven't done many cross-language comparisons - probably between python and lua 20:05:24 ok not a problem 20:05:35 images don't seem to work... 20:06:10 tried the stable release 20:06:17 what are you trying to do with them? 20:06:53 want an interpreter embedded in a bunch of servers (C) 20:07:07 http://web.archive.org/web/20110310092701/http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~aghuloum/compilers-tutorial-2006-09-16.pdf that is the big one? 20:07:08 http://tinyurl.com/cpha2fg 20:07:31 stable release is a little outdated, 0.6 is due in a few weeks or so, but images should be working in the stable release 20:07:37 Sonarpulse: yup. 51p 20:07:50 wow, who even made the short version 20:08:02 just skimming he 51 it's so much more clearner 20:08:11 so I built the hg tip. but I don't see any image related commits... assuming work-in-progress :) 20:08:41 Sonarpulse: well, different audiences were intended and more was covered in the shorter one than the longer one 20:08:53 -!- wingo [~wingo@191.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:08:53 chibi-scheme -d chibi.img && chibi-scheme -i chibi.img works fine for me 20:09:48 ok will try again 20:10:05 yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:10:31 foof: per-session interpreter contexts ok? (in terms of memory footprint) 20:11:47 what do you mean? 20:12:56 would like to create multiple interpreter contexts -- creating one per-session is acceptable? 20:13:18 in other words, how much does it cost to create an interpreter context? 20:13:39 a single context or thread is very cheap 20:13:56 the chibi.dylib is around 200k and I suppose it will be shared. 20:13:57 ok 20:14:28 foof: thanks. chibi is nice and small! :) 20:14:54 A new VM is cheaper than starting a new process. Load time would be a factor, so if you're going to do that you should use an image. 20:14:59 -!- homie [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-180-14.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Client Quit] 20:15:34 hence my interest in image :) 20:15:35 200k is a little large than I'd like but trimming it down is low on my priority list right now. 20:17:51 You also need about 756k for the default image right now. 20:18:04 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-141-210.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:18:56 ok 20:19:12 pothos_ [~pothos@114-25-196-184.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:19:14 -!- pothos [~pothos@114-36-231-14.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:19:17 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 20:20:02 foof: just tried -d followed by -i and it failed. 20:20:03 I think it was about 512k in 0.5 - that's easier to trim down. 20:20:20 is it okay to post chibi specifics here? 20:20:59 got an unsupported ABI error. 20:21:11 yes - it's not a terribly busy channel 20:21:28 really? from an image you just created? 20:21:57 I did chibi-scheme -d c.img 20:22:11 and upon chibi-scheme -i c.img I got the error. 20:22:20 what platform? 20:22:36 Mac OS X 10.7. 20:22:58 chibi hg tip compiled with clang 3.1 20:23:09 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: antithesis] 20:23:26 hmmm... I'm on 10.6.8 and can't reproduce that. 20:24:02 checking with clang though 20:24:20 still works 20:25:32 > unsupported ABI: cv-gm*uh? (expected cv-gm*uh) 20:25:32 -:i : couldn't open file for reading: c.img 20:26:10 huh 20:26:52 something wrong at my end? 20:27:08 that's an off by one error - there's no char after h 20:28:04 ok 20:29:45 the default image is 2Mo 20:31:17 yes 20:31:39 chibi-scheme -h756k -d c.img will fit it into 756k 20:32:13 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-180-14.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:33:11 ok, try images with the latest head 20:33:51 btw, bunch of warnings from clang... 20:35:24 yeaj, I know 20:35:32 works now :) 20:36:01 it has to do with macro tricks I'm using - I'll see if I can remove the warnings 20:36:12 but they're nothing to worry about 20:36:20 ok 20:37:16 uninstall target tries to delete stuff that isn't installed. 20:37:40 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 20:38:14 no autoconf I suppose :) 20:41:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-186-209.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:46 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