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Read the manual. 00:19:56 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-167-236.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:20:01 i can append to a file with chibi, but only using file descriptors 00:20:18 and there is a function that appears to wrap a file descriptor with a port 00:20:22 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:20:24 but it doesn't appear to be exported 00:21:00 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 00:21:07 believe me pjb, that manual and I are super intimate, at this point 00:21:22 but somtimes it's coy 00:28:47 -!- abel [~austin@ool-4577ba80.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 00:29:05 Indeed, that seems to be the case. 00:30:11 Basically, r5rs lacks entirely I/O ports. 00:30:44 It has only pure input or pure output ports. 00:31:25 But in chibi you can use C FFI and make an output port on a file descriptor opened for append. 00:31:59 tertl6 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Could someone help me to rewrite one procedure from SICP? 15:54:22 ((zero inc) 0) 15:54:28 (define zero (lambda (f) (lambda (x) x))) 15:54:35 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 15:54:40 (define (inc n) (+ n 1)) 15:54:58 I can't understand how does zero work 15:55:06 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 15:56:11 -!- sizz [~sizz@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:26 sizz [~sizz@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:58:42 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-154-95.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:17 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:00:59 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:26 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-95.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:03:41 -!- cdshines [~cdshines@225-112-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04:53 -!- sizz [~sizz@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:05:02 -!- slucx [~lumpy_wx@221.5.81.158] has quit [Quit: ] 16:06:19 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 16:07:33 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-154-95.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:08:43 -!- lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Client Quit] 16:10:53 arpunk [~arpunk@190.26.124.144] has joined #scheme 16:12:11 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 16:15:33 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:16:00 -!- getpwnam [~ian@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:17:04 huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has joined #scheme 16:18:18 arcfide [~arcfide@c-69-136-24-18.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:24:59 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:25:03 -!- helichopter [~austin@ool-4577ba80.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 16:32:58 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-154-95.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:48 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-154-95.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 16:36:38 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 16:39:30 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-95.netcologne.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:30 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@racket/sstrickl] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:30 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.157] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:30 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lkgojsmnjiamiose] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:30 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-33-83.gmavt.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:30 -!- imphasing [~Alex@97-81-80-39.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:30 -!- duncanm [~duncan@a-chinaman.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:30 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:31 -!- sethalves [~user@ext.nat.phx.lindenlab.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:31 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:31 -!- tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:31 -!- Pepe_ [~ppjet@anderith.bouah.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:31 -!- offby1 [~user@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/offby1] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:31 -!- rotty [rotty@de.xx.vu] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:39:55 joast [~rick@98.145.85.206] has joined #scheme 16:43:01 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:48:19 -!- soegaard [~soegaard@188.183.250.62] has quit [Quit: soegaard] 16:54:03 cdshines: Why does it needs to be rewritten? 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19:18:26 one from (scheme) which is not the same as the one in (scheme read) ? 19:18:30 -!- b4283 [~b4283@114-47-13-159.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:54 -!- soegaard [~soegaard@188.183.250.62] has quit [Quit: soegaard] 19:19:34 > (import (scheme base)) 19:19:34 WARNING: importing already defined binding: equal? 19:19:34 > (import (scheme read)) 19:19:34 WARNING: importing already defined binding: read 19:19:36 > (import (scheme read)) 19:19:43 > 19:21:23 rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@222-155-139-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 19:21:37 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@125-237-76-181.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:23:17 choas [~lars@p5795C799.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:23:33 langmart` [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 19:25:52 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:26:09 -!- langmart` is now known as langmartin 19:26:32 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:27:07 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: swapping servers] 19:30:16 -!- asdfhjkl [~bob@i5E879A7F.versanet.de] has left #scheme 19:30:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.175.168] has joined #scheme 19:30:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.175.168] has quit [Changing host] 19:30:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 19:31:09 soegaard [~soegaard@188.183.250.62] has joined #scheme 19:32:57 catatizuj [bd201b5e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.32.27.94] has joined #scheme 19:33:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 19:33:46 i would like to know what is the best ml implementation to generate native code? 19:34:15 I would like to know why you would ask about ML in #scheme? 19:34:25 Or what makes you think schemers know anything about ML? 19:34:27 ops 19:34:28 scheme 19:34:29 sorry 19:34:31 (apart the fact that they're generally intelligent). 19:34:36 i was reading about ml 19:34:40 Ok. :-) 19:34:47 but i'd like to know about scheme lol 19:34:54 it was funny 19:35:11 Well, Stalin was a highly optimizing native code scheme compiler, but I heard it wasn't maintained anymore. 19:35:28 catatizuj -- chicken and bigloo can compile to binaries 19:35:39 thanks sethalves 19:35:48 Bigloo compiles to native code: http://www-sop.inria.fr/mimosa/fp/Bigloo/ 19:36:02 nothing better to ask who are coding in this language a long time 19:36:14 thank you so much 19:36:52 There are moreo than 30 scheme implementations, one of us here have all of them installed on his computer. 19:37:20 leppie: Oh, interesting; that's not a bad approximation. 19:37:30 i've see this, because of it i'm asking. because i know some of these implementations are out of date 19:37:58 `nil' is a pun for (). 19:38:19 catatizuj -- there's #chicken on this server where they can answer specific chicken-scheme questions 19:38:28 i don't know of a bigloo irc channel 19:38:53 wow tks dudde 19:39:00 There's a bigloo wiki: http://bigloo.pbworks.com/w/page/10214773/FrontPage 19:39:00 no problem 19:39:20 i like to google and make the thing by myself, no problem friend 19:39:29 ;) 19:42:07 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #scheme 19:43:22 well in netbsd i can intall the follow scheme implementations that i know: umbscheme minischeme mit-scheme scheme48 sigscheme tinyscheme chiken scm 19:43:36 in pkgsrc repo. good 19:43:48 could someone tell me good programs coded in scheme? 19:43:56 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:43:56 catatizuj: I think Petite Chez Scheme is also available as a download from scheme.com. 19:44:18 http://schemers.org/ 19:44:28 catatizuj: Racket is written in scheme. 19:44:43 catatizuj: I am rather partial to the programs that I have written. :-) 19:44:44 interesting ... 19:44:57 catatizuj: ChezWEB is written in Scheme. 19:45:01 i love code my own programs too :P 19:45:05 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 19:45:05 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:45:05 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 19:45:05 i'm tired code in C 19:45:32 wow. i guess this not make me funny coding ... nomore 19:45:53 it not. 19:45:57 catatizuj: Open Music 2.5 is written in a scheme implemented in CL. Later versions are written in a scheme implemented in C++. 19:46:22 lilypond uses guile 19:46:28 pjb: tks 19:47:05 Yes, scheme is also used as customization/scripting language. eg Gimp uses guile too. 19:48:30 adiii [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:48:35 i didnt know a lot of thing about scheme. i was reading about paradigms and i saw what really combine with me. i'm loving functional paradigm 19:48:55 i already code something in lisp in the past, only testing, and lua 19:50:21 just give it a try and see 19:51:21 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Quit: fiddlesticks] 19:52:56 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #scheme 19:52:57 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:53:44 i will 19:56:09 Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 19:56:54 tertl7 [~tertl3@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:57:24 folowing this site http://community.schemewiki.org/?scheme-faq-standards#implementations 19:57:47 netbsd has the following scheme implementations: umbscheme minischeme mit-scheme scheme48 sigscheme tinyscheme chiken scm elk gauche ksi librep racket siod vscm 19:58:02 all in repo official 19:58:04 kandinsk1 [~kandinski@hiperactivo.com] has joined #scheme 19:58:17 ivan\_ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #scheme 19:58:25 bzzbzz_ [~franco@modemcable151.155-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 19:58:32 well, i have to go buy something to my home. people see yah, i promise 19:58:47 -!- fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:58:47 -!- rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@222-155-139-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [*.net *.split] 19:58:47 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [*.net *.split] 19:58:47 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [*.net *.split] 19:58:47 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [*.net *.split] 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I am a newb to scheme and to lisp in general. Would you recommend I start with scheme or with common lisp? 22:15:37 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:15:45 Depends if what you want to stop. 22:16:05 Eventually you'll know all three anyways. 22:16:13 (you forgot emacs lisp). 22:16:55 What do you mean, "if I want to stop"? 22:17:14 s/if/on/ 22:17:22 s/$/with/ 22:17:25 tanderson2: i encourage you to start with Racket, here: http://docs.racket-lang.org/getting-started/ 22:17:39 I would advise Common Lisp, since it's more useful. 22:17:49 But they don't like me saying this here. 22:21:50 huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has joined #scheme 22:21:54 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-148-123.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:22:10 Okay, thank you for the input. I will also consult #lisp for some more opinions 22:24:39 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:31:41 huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has joined #scheme 22:32:14 bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-52-188-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 22:32:24 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-182-202.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:11 Sorella [~quildreen@189-13-90-225.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #scheme 22:43:11 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@189-13-90-225.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Changing host] 22:43:11 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #scheme 22:43:30 -!- arpunk [~arpunk@190.26.124.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:43:48 sethalves: there are two versions of read, write and equal? - the ones in (scheme) don't handle cycles, which would require hash tables and would make the shared library larger than I'd like 22:44:05 -!- tanderson2 [~thayer@pool-173-48-186-60.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44:40 the warning you see only gets printed when the bindings are actually different 22:45:03 foof -- i see. it makes sense. 22:45:52 You should get a warning for any overlapping imports, and anything you don't use anything from too. 22:52:18 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 22:54:36 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:56:30 arpunk [~arpunk@190.26.124.144] has joined #scheme 22:58:15 tanderson1 [~thayer@pool-173-48-186-60.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:58:33 -!- tertl7 [~tertl3@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:58:52 -!- tanderson1 [~thayer@pool-173-48-186-60.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:59:05 tanderson1 [~thayer@pool-173-48-186-60.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:02:02 tertl7 [~tertl3@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:02:05 -!- realitygrill [realitygri@nat/hackerschool.com/x-yignnwlwcbbxkrqw] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:04:42 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:06:01 Sorella_ [~quildreen@189-13-90-225.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #scheme 23:09:41 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:12:13 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Quit: .] 23:17:51 -!- tanderson1 [~thayer@pool-173-48-186-60.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:18:32 noam_ [~noam@213.57.201.130] has joined #scheme 23:20:26 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@racket/sstrickl] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 23:22:22 -!- noam__ [~noam@213.57.201.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:22:59 noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has joined #scheme 23:25:36 -!- noam_ [~noam@213.57.201.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:26:48 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-95.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:21 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-95.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 23:28:28 -!- arpunk [~arpunk@190.26.124.144] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 23:29:11 kvda_ [~kvda@124-168-164-242.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 23:52:39 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 23:53:23 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60181.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:54:16 -!- dzhus [~dzhus@95-24-171-252.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:56:56 -!- tertl7 [~tertl3@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de]