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The comment period will have closed anyway. 02:30:07 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #scheme 02:36:40 jcowan: yeah, I realize it won't mean much after comments close... 02:37:00 I will probably just crack the whip on the WG so we can get the ballot done first. 02:37:36 Sounds good. That would look to a release in early August. Fortunately, most of the hacking required for the ballot will be easy. 02:38:31 b4283 [~b4283@60-249-196-111.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 02:42:34 chaotic_good [~g@pool-108-13-142-14.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:42:38 :) 02:42:41 gentle men!!1 02:42:52 lets lead a moevment to dump cloud and mysql oracle and windows 02:42:56 replace with scheme on unix 02:42:58 oh yeah!! 02:43:18 Okay, fine. The first step is to rewrite Windows in Scheme. 02:43:34 xwindows? 02:43:39 I wana dump windows 02:43:43 well i did 02:43:49 but everyoen else 02:44:03 repalcing xwindows could be cool 02:44:03 chaotic_good: Your views are intriguing. Where can I sign up to your newsletter? 02:45:49 you know I don't have one yet 02:45:56 but I should join rush on the radio 02:46:16 http://endthefed.livejournal.com/ 02:46:20 hers a bit of bloggin 02:46:21 :) 02:46:25 http://www.stripedgazelle.org/joey/dreamos.html 02:48:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BLEh9qjZyQ&feature=autoplay&list=PL0DB26CEA7E35FB2C&index=25&playnext=2 02:48:38 http://tinyurl.com/c9xgawz 02:48:51 polytheism rules 02:48:57 as does capitalism 02:48:59 :) 02:49:09 I also love AD&D 02:49:21 and of course bird is best ever 02:49:33 iceman fun to watch too 02:49:37 ice!! 02:51:21 henry george was a genius 02:51:23 tax rent 02:51:34 that should be covered in any econ course 02:51:35 :) 02:51:46 marx was liek way past 10th msot intersting economist 02:52:28 tom brady for VP 02:52:34 romney brady 2012 02:52:37 oh yeah!! 02:52:40 usa #1 by far 02:52:43 never forge tthat 02:52:55 and brits lost ww1+2to germany 02:52:58 remember that too 02:53:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1L8uRApYeQ&list=PL0DB26CEA7E35FB2C&index=14&feature=plpp_video 02:53:13 http://tinyurl.com/6mf58ct 02:54:06 chaotic_good: please restrain yourself 02:54:36 ok what shel we tllk about? 02:55:10 replacing ruby rails with aawful? 02:55:32 go for it 02:56:40 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:58:51 arpunk [~arpunk@190.84.40.17] has joined #scheme 02:59:52 :) 03:00:07 step 1 keep all data in scheme image and map out common items 03:00:52 step2 repeat 03:00:55 aw yeaheaehah!!!! 03:02:41 chaotic_good: I'm a Georgist too, but not a polytheist. 03:03:53 foof -- okay, noted (re caddr and pals) 03:05:37 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 03:14:38 amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD60D01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 03:14:55 atheist? 03:15:25 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Quit: (quit :reason 'sleep)] 03:17:59 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:19:22 pazuzu is a cool god 03:19:28 and hastur 03:24:17 The will of Hastur is not the law of the land. 03:25:12 "Base scoundrel! Rascally flat-footed lout!" "Ah? And I -- Cyrano Savinien Hercule de Bergerac!" 03:26:55 giv eme blood sacrifices!!! 03:26:59 start with the banksers 03:27:24 plees ta meecha 03:29:00 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-160-194.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 03:29:09 I've been cooking up an "interface" version of the R6RS condition system, with just predicates and accessors. 03:31:57 That way it is not interlocked with the record system in a way that pollutes the latter. 03:32:18 are there easy abstractions for shell scripting? scsh seems there 03:32:24 are there any better ones? 03:32:42 rudybot: do you have ops here? 03:32:43 FurnaceBoy: and no ops 03:32:57 -!- copumpkin is now known as Kronos 03:33:05 -!- Kronos is now known as copumpkin 03:33:55 http://quasimal.com/posts/2012-05-21-funsh.html 03:34:32 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #scheme 03:35:39 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:40:59 imphasing [~Alex@97-81-80-39.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #scheme 03:45:11 FurnaceBoy: are you trying to boot me? 03:46:00 -!- chaotic_good [~g@pool-108-13-142-14.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has left #scheme 03:50:54 *FurnaceBoy* cracks knuckles 03:51:07 rudybot: thanks. that ruse worked wonders. 03:51:08 FurnaceBoy: I think it's just a clever marketing ruse 03:51:47 rudybot: your ops are no-ops 03:51:48 *offby1: In fact, in vim, my arrow keys are no-ops so I don't even touch those. 03:52:55 rudybot: your no-ops are so useless, they actually do something. 03:52:55 FurnaceBoy: In fact, in vim, my arrow keys are no-ops so I don't even touch those. 03:54:07 Arrgh. My vote and my rationale on one issue contradict each other, and I don't remember what I actually decided. 03:54:32 So someone persuade me how to vote, hey? 03:54:50 Would it be unheard of for Scheme in a video found from the mit.edu link to not run as intended on mit-scheme? 03:55:22 jcowan: have another glass of wine; the problem will dissolve 03:55:30 Alas, I don't drink. 03:56:11 Which is better, (write-bytevector b [start [end [port]]]), or (write-bytevector b [port [start [end]]]). 03:56:14 ? 03:57:09 no keywords in r7rs, right? 03:58:08 i guess i normally write the entire bytevector, so the 2nd one -- though maybe that's because I don't have teh first one available. 03:58:14 No keywords. 03:58:52 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:58:59 Or at least, no built-in ones. There's a nice little non-standard (not-yet-standard) library to implement them at user level in R7RS, though. 03:59:30 i think it's much more likely that the programmer will specify the port and not the bounds than the other way around. 03:59:59 are there parameters? so you could overwrite current-output-port? 04:00:29 There are immutable but rebindable parameters, so yes. 04:00:39 The keyword lib is at http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/KeywordArgumentsArcfide 04:01:46 would it be unhealthy to have write-bytevector just look at the argument types? 04:02:01 Very. 04:02:40 there's some bytevector slicer, right? 04:02:53 i guess it would cons 04:03:23 There is bytevector-copy with start and end, yes. But that really does copy it. 04:03:46 With the exception of numbers, Scheme has only universal polymorphism and monomorphism. 04:04:47 does this write-bytevector block until it all goes? 04:05:19 if it can do partial writes, i become more interested in the bounds 04:07:46 No guarantees; it may block in the middle of the operation. Basically it's fwrite. 04:12:09 when I write a string, is there a way to specify a sub-section? 04:16:47 jcowan -- the bit about (exit #t) is bothersome. different exit values are sometimes useful. 04:17:13 like... i dunno? writing nagios plugins? 04:18:13 -!- abel [~austin@ool-4577ba80.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:19:14 sethalves: Nothing stops you from writing (exit 32) if you want. It's just that (exit), (exit #t), and (exit #f) are being given a standardized meanings. 04:19:39 i see 04:20:01 If you are on Plan 9, you can write (exit "foobar") 04:20:42 but #t and #f and no argument are the only portable things, assuming the vote goes that way. Otherwise, "" and 0 will also mean success provided they don't already mean something else to the OS. 04:20:51 fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:22:10 about the write-bytevector-partial thing... what sort of program is going to allow a blocking write but still be worried about an extra copy? 04:22:15 oh maybe a threaded one 04:24:00 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-140.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 04:24:34 Rationale: I think the port is less important than the stop/start. 04:24:38 did you mean more important? 04:25:05 port earlier in the argument list, because it's more likelyu to be specified? 04:28:36 Alex Shinn is also confused by this 04:31:44 -!- anothervenue [~lucasallm@76.91.162.213] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:33:01 anothervenue [~lucasallm@76.91.162.213] has joined #scheme 04:36:22 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-128-55.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:42:10 choas 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[Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:11:19 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 20:16:47 Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #scheme 20:17:44 So when you have a tail call... this happens where essentially the last function recursively called's return value is essentially the return value for the original function, too... 20:18:03 So in effect you can flatten it into one function since the return value is the same? 20:18:30 organixpear [HydraIRC@96-42-14-128.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:18:36 Is this the distinction of tail call vs. non-tail call? 20:18:59 i.e. even if it happens at the end, if you do something else to the returned value, it's not a tail call. 20:19:26 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-105-73-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:50 yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:22:48 Does only the last element of a (cond) or (if) count as a tail call? 20:23:27 why would that be the case? 20:23:27 Aethaeryn: tail calls are not just recursive calls. 20:23:46 But I think the general idea you have is correct. 20:23:47 Aethaeryn: the last executed, not the last lexically. 20:24:07 Also, both result positions of an `if` are tail position. 20:24:16 Okay. 20:25:12 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 20:25:54 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-192-43.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:26:36 pothos_ [~pothos@114-36-239-141.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:26:51 -!- pothos [~pothos@114-36-244-214.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:26:58 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 20:29:21 adiii [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:29:29 abel [~austin@ool-4577ba80.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 20:31:14 dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #scheme 20:34:36 asumu: Both results of an IF are tail, but are all results of a COND tail? 20:34:43 Or is that one of the differences between IF and COND? 20:35:44 Aethaeryn: Have a look at http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/MetaCircular.html 20:37:22 Aethaeryn: you can figure that out by thinking about the macro-encoding of `cond` with `if`. 20:38:44 Aethaeryn: the scheme (non)standard specifies all the tail contexts 20:38:52 asumu: Ah, right, section 7.3 in r5rs and r7rs 20:44:13 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-192.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:31 ijp: Of course, I must have overlooked that part. 20:54:39 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-192.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 21:02:10 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-167-231.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:02:12 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-192-43.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:04:07 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-192-43.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:04:17 rbarraud [~rbarraud@125-237-76-181.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined 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