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If the only valid results are #t or #f we use "?". 01:22:47 I know, Common Lisp uses p, I was using it as a contrast 01:24:42 -!- tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:16 chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #scheme 01:33:23 Rhetoric is a lost art. 01:34:38 kkostya [~kkostya@adsl-74-162-91-91.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 01:35:19 -!- kkostya [~kkostya@adsl-74-162-91-91.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:44:01 -!- kanru_ [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 01:44:31 kanru_ [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #scheme 01:48:17 b4284 [~user@122-117-157-82.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 01:48:23 pjb: But is it really? 02:01:17 -!- confab [~confab@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:02:52 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:20:29 tcleval 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dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:08:11 good tweet samth ;p 13:08:25 leppie: asumu did most of the research 13:08:33 and matthew did all the writing :) 13:08:38 i just do the tweeting 13:08:52 well I follow him too now :) 13:10:24 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:16:13 ah, so the top-level is more like a REPL and not a 'top-level' R6RS program, samth? 13:16:35 leppie: yes, "top-level" here means "REPL" 13:16:43 not the top-level of a module 13:17:14 i have to agree then, the top-level is useless ;p 13:24:10 -!- spionHL [~spion@46.217.81.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:24:42 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:26:30 stis: I still dont understand you issue. You seem to be defending undefined behavior :) 13:26:52 -!- getpwnam [~ian@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27:24 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:29:20 stis: is this what you are looking for? http://paste.lisp.org/display/130486 That example prints 2 13:40:31 -!- Blkt` [~Blkt@82.84.189.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:18 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:52:27 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:54:04 -!- asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:03:42 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:05:30 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:08:17 ptrjstn [~Peter@HSI-KBW-085-216-084-086.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #scheme 14:08:25 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 14:10:22 -!- ptrjstn [~Peter@HSI-KBW-085-216-084-086.hsi.kabelbw.de] has left #scheme 14:13:32 fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #scheme 14:16:23 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 14:17:18 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-144-234.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 14:20:58 leppie I don't defend it, just that it's one way to handle the implementation and I havent seen any good spec about quasysyntax to decide what's best (but I prefere IronScheme and racket before guile) .... 14:21:42 I tried an example in racket and mixed things up a bit so that's why my actions looks that bad ;-) 14:22:01 anyway I'm trying to file a bugreport for guile right now! 14:22:48 leppie: ^^ 14:24:17 guile and IronScheme use psyntax, so both will (likely) behave the same 14:25:06 I just had to (import (ironscheme)) to allow a bit of non-standard syntax (allowing a library definition in a top-level program) 14:25:37 maybe guile can do the same, I know ikarus/vicare does 14:26:25 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #scheme 14:27:37 leppie: guile produces 1, and yes guile should be able to do the same! 14:29:45 stis: see http://paste.lisp.org/display/130486#1, if that does not print 2, then it is a guile bug 14:34:18 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:34:54 rudybot: (define-syntax g (lambda (x) (define (f x) #`(let ((x 1)) #,x)) (syntax-case x () ((_ x) #`(let ((x 2)) #,(f #'x)))))) 14:34:55 leppie: your sandbox is ready 14:34:55 leppie: Done. 14:35:05 rudybot: (g x) 14:35:06 leppie: ; Value: 2 14:35:23 leppie: that bails out but I think that's because of a known phasing bug in guile-2.0 14:36:48 i doubt that, there is no more 'phasing' there as a normal macro and if that is broken, guile is seriously broken, which it is not ;p 14:37:01 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #scheme 14:37:17 yes I went the old track, that works in guile! 14:37:27 :) 14:39:15 the real problem is with the implicit syntax reference, if not a pattern varaible, seems to prefer the most inner definition of it. I would prefer it signal an error, but I dont think the behavior is specified in any way. 14:39:34 the real problem in psyntax, that is 14:39:54 it seems to allow breaking hygiene 'accidentally' 14:42:40 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.128.96] has joined #scheme 14:45:00 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:47:12 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:10 b4283 [~user@114-47-14-24.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 14:48:37 getpwnam [~ian@128.249.96.123] has joined #scheme 14:49:17 bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-52-34-205.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 14:49:22 hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has joined #scheme 14:49:28 rudybot: (define-syntax baz (lambda (x) (syntax-case x () [(baz val) (with-syntax ([+ (datum->syntax #'baz '+)]) #'(let-syntax ([+ (syntax-rules () [(_ a b) (- a b)])]) val))]))) 14:49:28 leppie: Done. 14:49:43 rudybot: (baz (+ (+ 1 (+ 1 2)) 2)) 14:49:43 leppie: ; Value: 0 14:50:04 see what I did there! ;p 14:52:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 14:52:54 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:53:51 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD6038A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:32 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #scheme 14:55:48 -!- masm [~masm@bl18-39-140.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:56:31 masm [~masm@bl18-39-140.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 14:57:47 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:59:15 leppie: change to (define-syntax (g stx) (syntax-case stx () ((_) #`(let ((x 2)) #,(f #'x))) and I bet you will get 1 15:00:08 racket picks up the syntax of the x argument and guile does not! 15:00:17 yes, stis, because you are not referring to a pattern variable then 15:01:23 Hmm yes but am searching for ideoms that capture the binding, see my example with let-syntax (not perfect) 15:01:45 so that means that that macrology still is relevant! 15:02:26 shardz [~samantha@ilo.staticfree.info] has joined #scheme 15:02:37 if you want to capture the binding for a non pattern variable, the only correct way I know is like I did above with WITH-SYNTAX 15:03:39 yep going back to programming CL style again :-( 15:04:39 -!- chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:04:49 But you can make a macro that takes the capturing variable as an argument and deferring evaluation until the macroexpansion of that code! 15:08:28 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable151.155-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:11 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable151.155-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 15:13:56 abel [~austin@ool-4577ba80.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 15:15:46 asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has joined #scheme 15:20:46 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.172.202.201] has 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broken here 15:31:20 e.g. it is dangerous! 15:35:01 stis: Matthew Flatt answered this on the racket list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev/archive/2012-July/009867.html 15:35:31 leppie: `syntax` doesn't create hygiene, the expander does 15:35:45 andre van tonder proposed changing this, in srfi 72, i think 15:36:07 samth: thx! 15:37:44 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 15:37:50 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #scheme 15:40:20 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:43:55 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-148-123.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:48:33 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.128.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:30 -!- ijp [~user@host86-143-194-206.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:57:06 ijp [~user@host86-168-33-229.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 15:59:45 asumu_ [~asumu@racket/asumu] has 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