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Is the Common Lisp community warmer? 07:18:42 I admire Haskell as a language, but they are a bit cold due to their collaborative nature 07:19:06 they collaborate in chat 07:19:58 uh 07:20:05 t4nk883 [45ecad93@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.236.173.147] has joined #scheme 07:20:09 don't ask me about communities.... 07:20:21 -!- t4nk883 [45ecad93@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.236.173.147] has quit [Client Quit] 07:20:27 Sonarpulse [~Sonarpuls@adsl-69-236-173-147.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 07:20:54 i dunno make your own mind.... 07:20:58 and never tell! 07:20:59 does anybody know a good functional graphic library? 07:20:59 lol 07:21:08 I've already made it up friend 07:21:21 im learning Haskell and scheme at the same time 07:21:58 scheme is a lower level of abstraction. 07:22:13 i think i lack the type-theory and category theory for that 07:22:21 but i peeked into it abit 07:22:27 have you read the lambda papers? 07:22:28 well, not there yet 07:22:42 I'm looking at the first page and that is way to high for me 07:22:52 You don't actually need to know type theory and category theory to learn Haskell 07:22:58 I do admire Sussmann 07:23:22 It does everything apparently 07:23:34 you just take a style 07:23:42 frankly you could lisp it up 07:23:48 define your own operators 07:24:03 but try getting the community to accept them! 07:24:16 yes yes i know i know, it's just background...maths..... 07:24:22 liskell 07:24:31 I like it 07:24:42 all for bottom up design my friends 07:26:53 not to be rude, but does a good functional graphic library even exist? 07:26:55 did you guys see that all the AI resources were taken down from McArthy's site? 07:27:08 I was a little upset by that 07:27:30 no idea, it's all new to me 07:27:58 albert-sicp [~albert-si@adsl-71-156-36-143.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 07:32:21 ASau` [~user@93-80-200-185.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 07:33:41 Sonarpulse: what do you wanna do, and what for implemantation do you use? 07:35:01 well, anything generally posix compatible is OK. I don't need to much high level features, I just want a high level interface 07:35:26 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-251-131.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:35:36 I tried looking at the Racket openGL bindings, but even the more "scheme-like: ones still look awefully procedural 07:36:26 hell, even one function that would take an array (or list of lists) of RGB pixels would be neat 07:36:53 jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 07:37:04 I have no real goal, this is just hobby stuff. 07:41:36 The problem is graphical programming is inehrent procedural, you could write some helper functions and macros to make it feel more functional, but yeah... 07:41:38 palach [~palach@93.175.8.83] has joined #scheme 07:42:24 see, I would agree that all existing graphic inplementations are basically procedural 07:42:44 FRP? 07:43:10 but I refuse to beleive that the very nature of graphics require procedurality 07:43:33 maybe it would take an excess of monads and the like 07:43:54 but ultimentally it's just another form of output 07:44:14 My browser is being slow, hold on 07:44:37 is "FRP?" adressed to me? 07:45:12 Addressed to this topic 07:45:23 http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Functional_Reactive_Programming 07:45:29 Ok, so that link's not so useful 07:45:39 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 07:45:46 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1028250/what-is-functional-reactive-programming 07:45:46 http://tinyurl.com/nxvkzq 07:46:31 yeah it is possible to do it purely functional (see HOpenGL) but it will, I think, always feel procedural. 07:49:57 cdidd [~cdidd@95-24-191-14.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 07:52:10 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.12.183] has joined #scheme 07:53:23 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:55:08 are the haskell bindings for major frameworks like OpenGL generally purely functional? 07:55:26 (i forget whether haskell has to be pure functional or not) 07:56:38 Has to be pure functional, but parts can be written in a non-functional style that still fits within the pure functional framework 07:58:01 I need sleep 07:59:16 thanks 07:59:18 tomobrien [~tomobrien@212.2.18.9] has joined #scheme 07:59:21 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:04:55 hmm, looking at HOpenGL (the tutorials were better than Racket's) I have some ideas for an extra wrapper to make it work 08:05:43 on another note, does anybody know if a external bindings can be declared locally? 08:12:12 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 08:20:58 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:24:10 w/e 08:24:12 thanks everybody 08:24:16 -!- Sonarpulse [~Sonarpuls@adsl-69-236-173-147.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:28:41 -!- shawng [~shawng@cpe-98-14-232-49.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 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