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However, the biblical unicorn was a real animal, not an imaginary creature. The Bible refers to the unicorn in the context of familiar animals, such as peacocks, lambs, lions, bullocks, goats, donkeys, horses, dogs, eagles, and calves (Job 39:912.1) In Job 3841, God reminded Job of the characteristics of a variety of impressive 01:32:10 rudybot: bollocks 01:32:12 qu1j0t3: [2] Bollocks to [1]. Suck is a unit vector. It's just that any given hacker finds suckage in some direction to be less disagreeable. 01:32:12 bfig [~b_fin_g@r190-135-34-210.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 01:32:22 bfig: wb 01:32:31 fowl_: well, it's that too. 01:32:36 fowl_: you must be new here! 01:32:45 yes 01:32:48 :)) 01:32:53 program's almost done 01:32:58 qu1j0t3: in #emacs, people play with rudybot so much that pjb wrote an extension to an IRC client to ignore rudybot in just that channel 01:32:58 now lighting works right :) 01:33:03 bfig: the last 99% take 4500% of the time 01:33:07 bfig: or something 01:33:08 and i have enemies :)) 01:33:19 qu1j0t3: tell me about it. I'm 98% done with something at work ... and all the problems are coming now :) 01:33:23 offby1: :) 01:33:37 well i only have a couple hours before having to hand in my work so it is actually very bounded within the 5 last percent :)) 01:33:44 offby1: our chief weapons are... surprise... and poor estimates! 01:33:52 bfig: wow. congrats. 01:34:03 offby1: my estimates are so bad, even i'm shocked. 01:34:04 it looks *awesome* :) 01:34:16 really awesome, i didn't think we could get it to be this awesome 01:34:29 bfig, a game, in scheme? 01:34:38 fowl_, no, c++ 01:34:50 o 01:35:30 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 01:37:51 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:32 -!- arbn [~arbn@68-112-50-76.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:51 fowl_: that's why it took him so long! 01:38:52 *qu1j0t3* runz 01:39:14 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has 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He's part of the old-guard, like Daemmerung and arcfide. 09:15:05 tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-79-163.as43234.net] has joined #scheme 09:19:33 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-27.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 09:45:52 -!- tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-79-163.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:55:49 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #scheme 10:07:47 tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-79-163.as43234.net] has joined #scheme 10:10:28 -!- tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-79-163.as43234.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:11:05 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: yes leaving] 10:11:12 tomobrien [~tomobrien@host-92-2-79-163.as43234.net] has joined #scheme 10:29:16 What's the best Scheme to use for SICP? 10:29:24 Is Chicken suitable? 10:33:47 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-145-99.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36:41 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.138.56] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 10:49:32 Cristi__ [Cristi@94.177.108.25] has joined #scheme 10:59:56 Sgeo: Yes, chicken is suitable. 11:00:26 Sgeo: Any reason to not use MIT? 11:00:52 There was a discussion here earlier and someone said that it wasn't actually suitable for some reason? 11:05:46 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 11:11:57 antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #scheme 11:12:39 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:13:47 Sego: You can't do everything with chicken, but SICP is more about the concept, than about the actual code. 11:13:59 -!- arbn [~arbn@68-112-50-76.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:18:07 answer_42, I meant, why not use MIT 11:18:10 arbn [~arbn@68-112-50-76.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com] has joined #scheme 11:18:44 I don't see any good reason not to use MIT 11:18:54 -!- ski___ is now known as ski 11:19:12 But as I said, it doesn't really matter what implementation you use, it is more about the concept of programming. 11:20:40 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 11:22:00 There are some minor sticking points, because some of the examples in SICP redefine fundamental functions, and some implementations are picky about that. 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Not like this: http://codepad.org/15K31kbe 15:22:33 Rubix: Depends on the implementation. Which one are you using? 15:22:37 csi 15:22:50 No idea, I don't know chicken. 15:23:35 There's a bunch of chicken users on this channel, though. You can also try #chicken. 15:24:40 I'd like to use an implementation closest to what I'm reading in Dybvig... I guess that would be chez 15:25:07 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:12 TSPL? 15:27:33 indeed 15:27:50 I assume any R6 system should work. Chicken does not support R6. 15:28:00 Racket has an R6 mode. 15:29:49 lemme try that one 15:36:08 what's "#lang not enabled in current context" ? 15:36:23 That probably means you tried #lang racket in the REPL. 15:36:43 Which you can't do. It only goes at the top of files. 15:38:28 weak. 15:38:46 Well, there's not much point for it in a REPL. 15:38:46 how do I get my emacs scheme interaction buffer to take #lang 15:38:59 -!- FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@CPE00222d560998-CM00222d560995.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:41:11 jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-68-215.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:52:38 add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-33-144.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 15:53:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 15:56:08 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 16:01:57 -!- spanner_ [~quassel@128.249.96.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:04:16 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-27.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:04:29 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:11 Rubix: I believe xrepl can switch languages at the repl. 16:09:15 rudybot: doc xrepl 16:09:15 stamourv: not found in any library's documentation: xrepl 16:09:26 rudybot: (require xrepl) 16:09:26 stamourv: Done. 16:09:29 rudybot: doc xrepl 16:09:29 stamourv: not found in any library's documentation: xrepl 16:09:46 Rubix: Check out the xrepl docs. xrepl is awesome. 16:09:50 rudybot: silly offby1 16:09:50 ijp: what are you talking about? Your view seems to be "sod off and use Windows" becaause I mentioned that X can be sluggish. Lame. I'm not getting into that silly, childish argument. 16:11:46 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: yes leaving] 16:11:49 -!- snizzo [~Claudio@iglu.cc.uniud.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:00 -!- bro_down [~bro@128.249.96.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:04 antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #scheme 16:14:14 -!- ventonegro [~alex@cust.static.46-14-234-161.swisscomdata.ch] has quit [Quit: ventonegro] 16:18:49 spanner [~quassel@128.249.96.10] has joined #scheme 16:20:23 bro_down [~bro@128.249.96.10] has joined #scheme 16:23:29 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:33 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@cpe-173-172-77-11.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 16:25:33 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@cpe-173-172-77-11.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:25:33 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 16:33:46 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 16:37:17 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.8.255] has joined #scheme 16:37:43 tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:38:07 -!- jewel [~jewel@1-64-17-013.static.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:40:13 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: yes leaving] 16:45:52 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:36 I thought this was kind of funny: "It?s actually written recursively, though that seems to be okay for the given time and memory contraints given that boards can at most be 15×15 and have 81 items." 16:46:42 http://coding.scribd.com/2012/05/24/compete-against-our-developers/ 16:46:57 I guess there's a world out there where people have to apologize for recursive code. 16:47:14 how do I get a racket into R6 mode? 16:47:23 The world beyond the gates of TCO is scary. 16:48:04 stacks are limited to 2K or 4K sometimes! 16:49:21 pjb: Heh. 16:49:33 klutometis: even with TCO, I sometimes want growable stacks 16:50:42 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 16:52:17 Rubix: there is a special incantation, but I can't remember it. maybe check racket --help 16:53:48 -!- peeeep [~potato@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:54:07 sizz_ [~sizz@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:54:24 peeeep [~potato@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 16:54:45 -!- sizz [~sizz@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:54:51 xrepl not working for me: http://codepad.org/F2NUN2tj 16:55:26 how do I fix that? 16:56:10 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 16:58:01 I don't think xrepl came out till 5.2 16:58:13 aw. 17:00:02 Rubix: xrepl alone makes the upgrade worth it. 17:05:19 I'd be satisfied (for now) if I could figure out how to get it into R6 mode 17:08:19 eric-atl_ [~eric-atl@c-71-56-71-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:08:36 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-248.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 17:09:27 -!- eric-atl_ [~eric-atl@c-71-56-71-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:10:03 philcrissman [~philcriss@c-174-53-217-149.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:10:09 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 17:10:18 antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #scheme 17:10:25 eric-atl_ [~eric-atl@c-71-56-71-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:12:29 -!- eric-atl_ [~eric-atl@c-71-56-71-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:13:17 eric-atl [~eric-atl@c-71-56-71-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:14:21 Rubix: Have you tried the `plt-r6rs' executable? 17:14:35 that doesn't give you a repl IIRC 17:14:57 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:00 Dunno, I never used it. 17:15:15 I mostly stick to #lang racket, typed/racket, etc. 17:15:15 stamourv: yes, and ijp is correct. I would like to use a repl 17:15:23 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-248.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:15:24 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:15:27 -!- eric-atl [~eric-atl@c-71-56-71-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:15:47 -!- ddp [~ddp@ip-64-134-228-199.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:58 ddp [~ddp@anon-155-16.relakks.com] has joined #scheme 17:17:22 I think DrRacket's R6 mode has a REPL, but I don't know how to get one otherwise. 17:17:30 okay 17:17:44 The regular Racket REPL should work for most things, though. 17:18:08 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:20:37 *ijp* curses lalr-scm 17:20:50 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:22:02 eric-atl [~eric-atl@c-71-56-71-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:24:09 -!- qu1J0t3 is now known as qU1j0t3 17:24:31 meh, giving up on R6... chicken seems to work pretty darn fine 17:25:21 Rubix: you may be interested in #chicken 17:25:49 what, are we doing only R6 in here? 17:26:06 Rubix: the scheme community is full of splitters 17:26:26 No, no. It's just that #chicken can provide more chicken-specific answers. 17:26:53 In case you have chicken-specific questions. :-) 17:27:17 (I'm not suggesting that you should leave #scheme) 17:27:18 mario-goulart: nah, just trying to write some agnostic code 17:27:29 *ijp* hugs Rubix 17:27:33 Alright. 17:27:56 schweet 17:27:59 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-248.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 17:30:08 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@84-236-57-50.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #scheme 17:30:08 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@84-236-57-50.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 17:30:08 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 17:30:16 splitters versus lumpers .. the age-old story 17:30:53 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 17:31:46 -!- eric-atl [~eric-atl@c-71-56-71-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: eric-atl] 17:32:12 eric-atl [~eric-atl@c-71-56-71-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:32:25 These days if you invite a person to join another channel you are considered a splitter. 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(cdr lst)) ) (else (cons (list (car lst) (cadr lst)) (convert (cddr lst)))))) 17:58:34 <__rahul__> pjb: indeed but i wonder if this can be done as a map - fold operation 17:58:57 Yes, you can fight with one hand tied in the back. 17:59:00 __rahul__: it wouldn't be any cleaner 17:59:59 <__rahul__> ok thanks guys 18:04:13 __rahul__: chicken provides `chop', which does exactly that. Maybe the implementation you are using has something similar. 18:08:46 <__rahul__> thats ok, not looking to do anything practical. just working though the sicp section on map fold etc and trying out a few things to get a hang of it 18:08:50 mario-goulart: I haven't used `chop', but wouldn't it return `((1 2) (3 4))'? 18:09:36 stamourv: (chop '(1 2 3 4 5 6) 2) retuns ((1 2) (3 4) (5 6)) here. 18:09:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:10:17 __rahul__: map wouldn't work since it's a 1->1 18:10:34 come to think of it, this could probably be done fairly simply with pair-fold 18:10:35 if scheme had the equivalent of cl mapcan it could be used. 18:11:09 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11:24 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:11:45 <__rahul__> pjb: what's a 1->1? 18:12:30 mario-goulart: Right, __rahul__ wants `((1 2) (2 3) (3 4) (4 5) (5 6))'. 18:12:44 rudybot: (require srfi/1) 18:12:44 ijp: your sandbox is ready 18:12:45 ijp: Done. 18:12:58 rudybot: (pair-fold-right (lambda (head-pair rest) (if (null? (cdr head-pair)) rest (cons (list (car head-pair) (cadr head-pair)) rest))) '() '(1 2 3 4 5 6)) 18:12:58 ijp: ; Value: ((1 2) (2 3) (3 4) (4 5) (5 6)) 18:12:59 Oh! stamourv: sorry, I read too fast. :-) 18:13:04 \o/ 18:13:24 __rahul__: ^^ 18:13:37 mario-goulart: `chop' sounds generally more useful anyway. :) 18:13:51 :-) 18:14:06 -!- ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:12 all it needs now is a snazzy name like pair-up 18:14:49 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:39 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:18:00 <__rahul__> what's the racket version of pair-fold-right? the interpreter doesn't recognize it 18:18:12 it is in the srfi/1 module 18:18:30 __rahul__: rudybot: (require srfi/1) 18:19:55 <__rahul__> got it 18:22:38 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:53 5 scheme points if someone does an unfold version 18:26:44 *leppie* unfolds 18:27:13 *ijp* refolds leppie into a crane 18:28:01 *qU1j0t3* folds, pushes chair back, crosses arms and peers balefully at the other players at the Scheme Poker table. 18:30:51 -!- imphasing is now known as imphasing|home 18:31:08 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 18:31:18 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:32:14 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:33:54 rudybot: (unfold (lambda (x) (or (null? x) (null? 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[~robolobst@host86-189-18-140.range86-189.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 19:55:23 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:57:15 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 19:57:59 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:59:06 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: yes leaving] 19:59:47 albert-sicp [~albert@adsl-71-156-36-143.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:01:09 where does the name memq come from? 20:01:30 member using eq instead of eql. 20:01:59 Thanks. 20:08:55 -!- robolobster54 [~robolobst@host86-189-18-140.range86-189.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:09:44 ddp_ [~ddp@ip-64-134-228-199.public.wayport.net] has joined #scheme 20:09:53 -!- ddp_ [~ddp@ip-64-134-228-199.public.wayport.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:11:26 -!- albert-sicp [~albert@adsl-71-156-36-143.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:10 -!- ddp [~ddp@anon-155-16.relakks.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:14:18 -!- Rubix [~Rubix@38.111.0.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:42 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:24:29 lucasallmon [~lucasallm@71-92-223-50.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:30:20 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 20:30:36 Hello 20:32:17 imphasing [~Alex@97-81-80-39.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:33:55 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-33-144.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 20:34:13 -!- imphasing|home [~Alex@97-81-80-39.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:40:42 Can anyone recommend a good way to learn more Chicken? 20:41:21 Get some eggs, keep them warm for a few weeks. 20:41:40 lol 20:42:46 lucasallmon: read Chicken doc and How to Design Programs -- An Introduction to Computing and Programming http://www.htdp.org/2003-09-26/Book/ 20:42:49 I was working through "Teach Yourself Scheme in FixNum Days", and after about chapter 6, it seemed like Chicken no longer understood some of the functions 20:43:03 lucasallmon: that's because it's scheme. 20:43:20 but after chapter 6, you should be able to write the functions missing in chicken. 20:43:34 alternatively, when you'll be fed up with that like I was, switch to CL. 20:44:11 lucasallmon: there's http://wiki.call-cc.org/man/4/Getting%20started and http://wiki.call-cc.org/chickenista-guide 20:44:16 Well, there were some I was able to get via eggs from the Chicken site, but I'm not all that good at programming. 20:44:38 lucasallmon: there's also #chicken, which can be quite helpful for chicken-specific topics. 20:44:39 So if something is missing, I don't necessarily know what to do, haha 20:44:55 Ahh, I didn't realize there was a chicken specific channel 20:45:52 lucasallmon: well, the algorithm would be: 1- identify what implementation/version the author of the book is using; 2- read the documentation of that function in that implementation documentaiton; 3- search in your implementation documentation a similar function; 4- if found, try to implement the missing in terms of the other function, if not found try to implement it in term of what's available in your implementation. 20:45:54 Overall though, I really like Scheme/Lisp, its the most fun I have had programming in a long time. 20:46:18 lucasallmon: now, the problem is that if you are not able to come by this algorithm by yourself, how can you hope to be an programmer ever? 20:47:00 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:49:07 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:49:11 I dunno, I am just trying to learn. 20:49:31 lucasallmon: ok, the point is that you can invent algorithms to solve your every day problems too. 20:50:03 alternatively, you could just use the same implementation as the author of the book. 20:50:27 Well thats just it, I guess I have never gotten past that point of being able to write code that does much. 20:54:32 -!- stamourv [~user@racket/stamourv] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:54:56 stamourv [~user@racket/stamourv] has joined #scheme 20:56:53 -!- lucasallmon [~lucasallm@71-92-223-50.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:03 -!- lastwill [~will@bb1.reu.92-49-81-107.adsl.only.fr] has left #scheme 21:13:21 -!- zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:45 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@cpe-173-172-77-11.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:16:46 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@cpe-173-172-77-11.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:16:46 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 21:21:42 You scared him off. 21:22:38 -!- __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.139.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:22:46 Seems like what he needs is to find 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