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Some of them are editorial, of course. 00:32:03 -!- kvda [~kvda@124-168-182-229.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: x___x] 00:33:02 jcowan: Is that a lot? It doesn't sound like it. 00:35:54 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-193-216.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:38:36 I'm not sure. Some are very small, others are quite substantial. One ticket resulted in adding 10 new procedures 00:39:29 make-list, list-copy, list-set!, string-map, string-for-each, vector-copy, vector-map, vector-for-each, string->vector, vector->string 00:41:05 OTOH we have had about 3 tickets relevant to exit. 00:42:14 -!- Radium_ [~rajesh.na@117.203.17.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:47:28 -!- TheRealPygo is now known as pygospa 00:52:32 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #scheme 01:00:36 -!- ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has quit [Quit: wrong button] 01:00:54 ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has joined #scheme 01:02:30 -!- wollw [~davidsher@75-101-85-170.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:09:48 wollw [~davidsher@75-101-85-170.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 01:20:33 astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-235-215.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 01:30:15 -!- zmv [~zmv@c9533ff6.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: brb] 01:59:08 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 01:59:58 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-117-25.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:01:25 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-112-32.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:03:54 -!- confab [~confab@c-71-193-9-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04:03 confab [~confab@c-71-193-9-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:07:58 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-130-138.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08:18 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-145-69.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 02:19:13 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 02:24:02 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 02:38:46 tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-68-37-139-248.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:42:10 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61A60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:43:51 lemonade` [~lemonade_@pool-71-178-182-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:48:58 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:59:10 -!- lemonade` [~lemonade_@pool-71-178-182-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:54 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:14:13 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:25:43 -!- dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:26:17 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #scheme 03:27:10 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [] 03:33:54 -!- confab [~confab@c-71-193-9-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:35:57 confab [~confab@c-71-193-9-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:49:19 jcowan, ping. 03:52:53 jcowan, If you are around, I just want to get your okay on server migration, since you seem to do the most work on Trac. 03:55:26 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:01:57 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:02:23 dan64- [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #scheme 04:08:56 -!- confab [~confab@c-71-193-9-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: confab] 04:10:21 sanjeev_sh [~sanjeev@14.139.56.14] has joined #scheme 04:11:31 arcfide: pong, it's great 04:11:47 -!- sanjeev_sh [~sanjeev@14.139.56.14] has left #scheme 04:13:07 *jcowan* goes through the ERR5RS wiki to see if any ideas are lurking there. 04:14:27 confab [~confab@c-71-193-9-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:29:04 phax [~phax@adsl-69-152-187-171.dsl.pnblar.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 04:35:14 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-112-32.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:37:03 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-114-242.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:48:44 soveran_ [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 04:48:53 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:52:33 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:52:54 jcowan: what kind of ideas? 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09:00:34 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 09:00:36 not in standard scheme 09:01:36 but in guile you can writefunctions in C 09:01:55 that could work 09:02:40 But why would you want that? 09:03:08 Well, i want to use http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/gjs/propagators/ 09:03:22 But I want to write the propagators in Python 09:03:40 or in C, otherwise 09:06:11 ok... 09:06:57 http://lonelycactus.com/guilebook/x1355.html 09:11:38 Thanks answer_43 09:11:53 Hopefully propagators work with Guile 09:13:19 I'm going to try it right now... 09:18:31 masm [~masm@bl17-193-216.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 09:28:30 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:31:21 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 09:37:25 answer_43: So pyffi comes with chicken scheme, I need the latter to use the former? (ie. can pyffi be installed standalone on MIT GNU scheme?) 09:39:03 forcer [~forcer@hmbg-5f77ea67.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 09:40:25 I think pyffi can only be used with chicken scheme...or you would have to port it to MIT/Scheme 09:40:40 -!- forcer [~forcer@hmbg-5f77ea67.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40:50 forcer [~forcer@hmbg-5f77ea67.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 09:41:41 Ok, thanks again 09:47:56 ijp [~user@host86-169-103-23.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 09:56:24 -!- bbear [~quassel@3.0.98.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:57:32 bbear [~quassel@3.0.98.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 09:59:04 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-193-216.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:10:13 RITRedbeard [~RITReadbe@c-68-37-165-37.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 10:14:24 graspee [~graspee@02dd1c10.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 10:19:07 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has 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The identity procedure is sufficient, provided that the compiler does not optimize it away. 17:01:06 Riastradh: I'd assumed that from the choice of name, however, it wasn't immediately clear to me that the identity function was sufficient 17:02:40 better to ask and look foolish, than remain ignorant :) 17:02:47 (lambda (x) x 0) would also be sufficient, as long as the compiler doesn't optimize it away. 17:03:17 It can't be implemented just in Scheme, though, because of the constraint on what the compiler may do with it. 17:04:37 dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #scheme 17:05:36 random_malice [~ian@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:08:29 -!- sizz_ is now known as sizz 17:09:13 -!- getpwnam [~ian@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:19:07 cdidd [~cdidd@176.14.61.209] has joined #scheme 17:19:17 kreol[Ukr] [~kreol@85.198.173.181] has joined #scheme 17:21:15 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 17:34:54 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:42:45 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:43:24 kk` [~kk@77.107.164.131] has joined #scheme 17:43:25 -!- kk` [~kk@77.107.164.131] has quit [Changing host] 17:43:25 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 17:44:02 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 17:47:31 add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-54-85.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 17:53:45 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 17:55:46 Hello all. Does any use Racket? 17:56:26 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:56:45 kreol[Ukr]: why do you ask? 17:57:48 i need help with drawing tools... 17:58:02 I use Graphics: Legacy Library (require graphics/graphics) 17:58:18 kreol[Ukr]: this is an entirely different question. 17:58:50 you'd get entirely different answers. For example, "Does any use Racket?" gets as answer "yes". That doesn't help much with your drawing tools problem does it? 18:00:08 and draw there with pixels and i need to transform my picture... but i don't know how to... 18:00:39 yes. but if nobody use racket i'll not ask about this... 18:01:40 Well, I don't use Racket, but p, pHumans  p uses Racket. 18:02:28 kreol[Ukr]: The real problem is that it's quite likely that there are people who use Racket, but still have no clue about the graphics stuff :-) 18:02:29 pjb: you've more than made your point 18:02:44 Which seems to be the case right now. 18:03:48 kreol[Ukr]: I can't provide help, but if this is new software, then you probably should be using a library that isn't considered legacy 18:05:01 ok 18:06:16 you know there is a #racket channel, right? 18:06:45 I need an interface from MIT/GNU Scheme to Python, any ideas? Something like this http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/pyffi but for MIT Scheme 18:07:14 Failing that, an interface to C would suffice 18:07:34 the easiest way is to use sockets. 18:08:21 The second easiest way is to implement the other language. I don't know if there's a python implementation written in scheme (there's cl-python). 18:08:49 -!- forcer [~forcer@hmbg-5f77ea67.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #scheme 18:08:51 Now indeed, often people want python not for python, but for the C libraries that are called from python. you can just use FFI to directly call C. 18:09:33 pub does scheme have FFI 18:09:56 What I actually want to do is write propagators in Python and/or C, propagates: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/gjs/propagators/ 18:10:06 *propagators, not propagates 18:10:12 yes. but in #racket is silence 18:10:38 *pjb, not pub. Sorry, autocorrect. pjb, does scheme have FFI? 18:11:25 scheme no. But scheme implementations have. 18:12:19 pjb: It seems I am limited to MIT Scheme, which is necessary for propagators (linked above) 18:12:35 https://www.google.com/search?q=mit+scheme+ffi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a 18:12:40 http://tinyurl.com/7cjdv5f 18:13:20 robolobster54: I'm approximately 100% certain there is no python ffi for MIT scheme 18:13:45 but I think there is a C ffi 18:13:55 C FFI will do 18:13:59 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 18:14:08 Thanks pjb 18:14:10 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-148-123.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 18:14:10 check your manual 18:14:39 So, an FFI woud allow me to define functions in C, which can be used within scheme functions? 18:16:05 yes 18:16:35 Great. Thanks pjb, ijp, answer_42 18:22:06 Do any of you have experience with that FFI? 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If you're trying to create graphs, then you should use plot (which is much better in many ways), and if you want to compose arbitrary images, then there's plenty of examples around for the current libraries that do that. 19:31:33 evening, eli 19:32:01 wingo: Good morning... 19:32:15 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-150-17.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:59 *eli* continues to silently envy wingo's geographical location 19:33:46 masm [~masm@bl17-193-216.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 19:33:58 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-150-17.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:34:30 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.227.117] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:34:42 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-150-17.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:46 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.52.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:36:26 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 19:36:35 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-150-17.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:36:47 Connection dropped earlier. Does anyone have experience with the C FFI in MIT Scheme? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5947901/how-do-i-call-native-code-from-mit-scheme 19:36:48 http://tinyurl.com/7fhvaz4 19:37:31 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 19:37:39 eli: spring should be arriving in boston by now! 19:38:20 robolobster54: i do not know. apologies in advance for taking your question meta! 19:38:30 Also, it's a win32 interface… am I right in assuming it would need to run under windows? 19:38:38 recently we have had a lot of people come here to #scheme, asking about mit scheme 19:38:43 wingo: indeed it has, but spring here is still very soup-like. 19:38:58 Thanks anyway wingo :) 19:38:58 why are people choosing mit scheme these days? 19:39:09 wingo, I need it because I'm using propagators 19:39:11 the brand name 19:39:22 ah, propagators. sounds like fun :) 19:39:23 it's MIT, so it must be good 19:39:25 wingo http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/gjs/propagators/ 19:39:41 19:39:59 ijp, its not about the brand name, in my case it's about propagators :) 19:40:06 N years ago, I heard someone say "besides, how can you beat a Scheme implementation from *MIT*??" 19:40:07 robolobster54: yeah it is windows only 19:40:26 *robolobster54* facepalms 19:40:41 There must be a way... 19:41:11 wingo, still, your question is interesting. I don't know why people are using MIT Scheme these days. 19:42:04 well, you have one concrete data point, and that is better than much speculation :) 19:42:58 I'd be pleased if that were the underlying reason :) I doubt it though, it's a pretty fringe idea. 19:43:00 phax [~phax@adsl-69-152-187-171.dsl.pnblar.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 19:45:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-222.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:51 well, scheme is a fringe community, though many of the ideas are almost mainstream now 19:46:08 and some of the ideas resemble an orthodoxy more than anything ;) 19:46:24 I'm pretty new to scheme, I'm mainly proficient in python. Is it likely to be hard for me to implement things like machine learning algorithms in lisp? 19:46:49 i guess i'm not aware of the current state and direction of mit scheme -- even, that it has a direction -- but that is my ignorance. 19:46:49 It seems like the syntax is pretty straightforward. Perhaps the challenge with Scheme is harnessing its full potential, which I might not need to do from day 1 19:47:22 *please replace my penultimate message last word with scheme (not lisp) 19:47:40 the functional composition story is good, but the data structure story could be better, i guess is my summary 19:47:53 also you end up investing in one particular implementation 19:48:08 which is fine, imo, but it's a bit confusing when you are starting 19:48:48 I don't think I follow what you're saying, could you elaborate? Are you answering my question, or commenting on MIT Scheme in general? 19:48:54 sorry/thanks :) 19:49:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 19:49:38 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-5f77b63a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:49:48 no i was answering your question about scheme 19:50:00 i don't have experience with mit scheme in particular 19:50:39 ok 19:50:57 TDJACR [~TDJACR@lilug/member/tdjacr] has joined #scheme 19:51:26 When you say you end up investing in one implementation, do you mean one type of scheme? If so, how is that confusing and isn't what you learn there easily transferable to other schemes? 19:51:36 *ijp* chuckles 19:51:51 pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4dbedcc6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 19:52:19 ideas transfer somewhat, code frequently does not 19:53:07 so the confusion wingo mentions, I gather, is that you'd expect code to transfer to other scheme implementations when it does not 19:53:51 well part of it is that you come to scheme expecting a concrete thing, when in reality you have a bunch of implementations with some commonalities, but different directions and takes on things 19:53:57 scheme is less a language, and more a bunch of loosely related cults 19:54:08 haha, what ijp said ;-) 19:54:44 ah, thanks guys, that makes sense. 19:55:46 *ijp* is in that most debauched of scheme cults: the cult of attempted portable scheme coding 19:57:27 that's a cool goal 19:57:47 what do you do- code in r5rs and implement everything else yourself? 19:58:22 r6rs 19:58:45 that's not very widely supported though, i thought? 19:58:52 define widely supported 19:59:13 neither is r5rs 19:59:24 there aren't thousands of implementations of it, but there are a solid 8 or so 19:59:48 ijp, when you say portable, you mean portable to different implementations? 19:59:52 yes 19:59:58 when you said you were attepmting to write portable scheme i thought you meant write scheeme which would work on the most different scheme implementations 20:00:18 graspee: never going to happen 20:00:26 eh? 20:00:40 of course it can happen 20:00:46 say I want to do somthing complicated like, you know, binary IO 20:00:54 I don't want to write a 100 IO wrappers 20:01:09 i'm not sure what you're trying to do then 20:01:32 I'm not a total masochist 20:04:24 graspee: for one, I'm trying to write a library of functional data structures. 20:04:48 jrslepak [~jrslepak@ip-64-134-70-47.public.wayport.net] has joined #scheme 20:05:15 https://github.com/ijp/pfds/ should run out of the box on any r6rs scheme 20:06:26 graspee: to make that run on any r5rs implementation, I'd need to implement records, modules, exceptions, etc 20:07:25 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:51 well you said you were "that most debauched of scheme cults" so to be honest i was expecting something extreme 20:10:34 it's called self-deprecation 20:10:37 ijp, wingo, why cults? :) I can imagine why but I'd like to hear your take, if possible. 20:11:04 -!- jhemann [~Jason@adsl-108-67-93-14.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:24 robolobster54: it's a joke 20:12:01 things tend to be very insular, compare $implementation_mailing_list to comp.lang.scheme 20:13:01 -!- robolobster54 [~robolobst@217.41.236.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:15 robolobster54 [~robolobst@217.41.236.92] has joined #scheme 20:14:16 rudybot: am I really just not that funny? 20:14:17 ijp: Funny how he thinks Thunderbird is better than pine. 20:14:31 oops. did I miss anything? 20:14:34 I'll take that as a yes 20:14:43 oops, did i miss anything? 20:14:57 robolobster54: nah 20:15:42 -!- robolobster54 [~robolobst@217.41.236.92] has quit [Client Quit] 20:16:14 robolobster54 [~robolobst@217.41.236.92] has joined #scheme 20:16:24 oops, did I miss anything? 20:18:17 he entered a loop 20:18:23 C-g 20:19:38 -!- bbear [~quassel@3.0.98.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:27 -!- robolobster54 [~robolobst@217.41.236.92] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:23:44 eli> what i can use library to compose arbitrary images? 20:24:15 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:24:52 kreol[Ukr]: See this: http://docs.racket-lang.org/quick/ 20:25:48 I just learning scheme as my first language should I use r5rs or just go with learning r6rs until r7rs comes along ready for use? 20:25:51 ok, i'll watch this. thanks 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