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Also, what do you mean by cheatsheet? 02:55:33 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:56:13 -!- booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #scheme 02:58:35 woonie [~woonie@175.156.202.21] has joined #scheme 03:00:33 oops, sorry, wrong channel.. 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21:14:13 scheme is a language 21:14:17 I'd like to learn scheme 21:14:22 as new language 21:14:23 there are interpreters and compilers 21:14:28 to forget what I learnt 21:14:29 bbear: http://schemers.org/ 21:14:30 it depends on the implementation 21:14:46 there are implementations with both an interpreter and a compiler. 21:15:15 bbear: funnily, when you decide to learn French or Chinese, you don't ask whether there are interpreters or compilers 21:15:46 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: yes leaving] 21:16:15 pjb: To learn scheme , would you use a compiled or interpreted implementation ? 21:16:48 because I saw chicken eg produces C code. 21:16:55 -!- ijp` [~user@host86-169-103-23.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 21:17:02 bbear: I would use an *interactive* one. 21:17:17 ie. one having a good REPL and a good interactive debugger. 21:17:28 It doesn't matter whether the implementation uses a compiler or an interpreter. 21:17:41 The user experience is given by the interactive vs. batch mode of operation. 21:17:42 ah yes it comes often with an interpreter if I am correct. 21:17:44 racket ? 21:17:44 chicken has a repl and a compiler 21:17:49 I use racket 21:17:58 graspee: so Ill use chicken or racket 21:17:59 bbear: REPL has nothing to do with interpreted vs. compiled. 21:18:24 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d06606c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:18:25 TheRealPygo [~Pygosceli@kiel-5f769a7a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 21:18:37 For example, Haskell has a REPL but its compilation strategy is different from many Schemes. 21:18:46 some people think of a repl as an interpreter, there's no need to confuse someone if they are a beginner 21:18:46 bbear: almost all implementations have a REPL. I don't know which one has the best debugger I'm often disappointed by scheme debuggers. 21:19:02 i got confused about this issue because of the way that interpreter is used in the term "shebang interpreter directive" 21:19:07 what's about MIT-scheme ? Is it education/research purpose ? 21:19:16 -!- zmv is now known as vmz 21:19:23 tali713: if there is a shebang then it's interpreted I suppose. 21:19:24 -!- vmz is now known as zmv 21:19:30 your choice of book or website to learn from i would argue is more important than your choice of scheme 21:19:33 bbear: except for when it isn't. :) 21:19:34 unless it is compiled in an interpreted code 21:19:45 in fact most books or sites are based around a particular implementation 21:19:56 so find a good site or book, then use the scheme they use 21:19:58 is my advice 21:20:03 A common denominator between împlementation should be ok 21:20:13 I started looking the MIT-scheme website 21:20:33 I hope I don't need the specific MIT-scheme implementation to startup 21:21:02 bbear: what is really meant (in the shebang case) is the program used to evaluate the script, not interpreter. but this is slightly confusing for many people. (myself included) 21:21:53 yes :) maybe because it hardly make sense to call a compiler each time you want to launch a program. 21:22:03 bbear: or does it? :) 21:22:28 i really don't think you need to concern yourself with these kinds of details at the start, bbear 21:22:45 bbear: That is what Java does. In any case, graspee has the right advice. 21:22:46 bbear: it hardly makes since to continually compile to machine instructions that which you have already seen once. :) 21:23:20 bbear: if launching a compiler and obtaining the result is done in less than 100 ms, it's as good. 21:23:36 (more correctly, that is what the HotSpot JVM does) 21:23:40 actually you could imagine a dynamically compiled program. 21:23:44 Meta programmed 21:23:50 programming himself. 21:24:27 yes 21:24:35 ok 21:24:38 I'll start to learn. 21:24:40 Thank you 21:25:10 getpwnam [~ian@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:29:27 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:29:38 bbear: I don't know how much programming experience you already have, but you may want to consider reading something like HtDP: http://www.htdp.org/ 21:30:15 And there are several other good Scheme books you could read. 21:30:16 sicp forever. 21:31:23 asumu: I have a long experience but not thourough. 21:32:34 confab [~confab@c-71-193-9-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:34:02 jhemann [~Jason@adsl-108-67-93-14.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:36:19 -!- Radium [~rajesh.na@117.203.17.252] has quit [] 21:36:41 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 21:36:50 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-130-138.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:38 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-130-138.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 21:40:12 bbear: in that case you may want a more advanced book, but I think it's still potentially a helpful read. 21:40:36 yes 21:42:01 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 21:48:33 i used to have a copy of sicp and i threw it out when i was decluttering. i have regretted it ever since 21:48:54 but i can't bring myself to buy another copy because i feel annoyed that i threw it away 21:50:52 Radium_ [~rajesh.na@117.203.17.252] has joined #scheme 21:52:28 graspee: it's available on-line. 21:52:38 i know 21:52:54 i much prefer reading paper books though 21:56:54 -!- asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:31 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:00:34 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 22:02:36 -!- kreol[Ukr] [~kreol@85.198.173.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:08:20 i've heard of this amazing invention called a printer. 22:09:29 really? 22:09:49 did you work out how much it would cost to print though? 22:10:06 $5.00 tops, I'd guess 22:10:32 well i'm not in america and ink is expensive here 22:10:38 and i don't have a printer anyway 22:11:21 plus it's hardly as nice to read loose a4 sheets as it is to read a proper bound book 22:14:22 They invented something called glue. Made of fish bones or something. 22:14:39 does every single person have to adopt this sarky attitude? 22:15:04 there's no way i can produce anything as nice to read as a real book. end of 22:15:09 How is book binding relevant to the /topic of this channel? 22:15:35 you were the one who introduced the topic 22:18:07 I checked out before how much it would take to print SICP myself. 22:18:11 It is not just $5.00. 22:18:32 thank you 22:18:58 The printed version of the book is actually very nice. 22:24:44 graspee, I feel your pain at the though of throwing away my copy. 22:25:49 i had so much stuff i was like a hoarder and i saw a huge pile of computer books and i hadn't done any programming for years 22:25:56 so i thought "they can go" 22:26:15 graspee, I am sure that we would all love a hand illustrated, gilded version of SICP done in the old style. 22:26:17 and of course i wanted each and every book since and i have tons of stuff i kept from that time that i haven't needed 22:26:42 you know, transcribing the book by hand isn't such a bad idea 22:26:44 It would be like reading an ancient tome. 22:26:56 it has a kind of hardcoreness to it 22:27:00 a retro feeling to 22:27:02 too* 22:30:26 racket paused for so long on "making macro debugger" that i thought it had crashed 22:30:54 :-) 22:30:59 *arcfide* snickers. 22:31:19 it's certainly got a long "make install" compared to most stuff 22:33:41 I have it on good authority that building Chez Scheme from sources takes under ten seconds on most systems. 22:34:01 Sorry, I just can't resist. 22:38:25 what's all this .scrbl stuff it's doing 22:38:34 honestly it's taking forever! 22:39:46 it didn't take long to "make", it's just taking forever to "make install" 22:40:35 it's been like 15 minutes so far! 22:40:47 what's it doing- rendering a cgi intro with dinosaurs? 22:42:07 graspee, Sort of. 22:42:19 wow it's finished 22:42:31 i bet i run it now and it dumps core 22:44:15 nope it works and it fixed the problem i had with the drracket in the ubuntu archive 23:05:41 -!- graspee [~graspee@02dd1c10.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: time for bed] 23:06:00 jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 23:09:47 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:10:11 hoi 23:11:08 hoi 23:12:48 en met jou? 23:16:50 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-121-87.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:20:40 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:39:50 kvda [~kvda@124-168-182-229.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 23:41:31 -!- arcfide [~arcfide@c-98-223-204-153.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42:19 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-hudd6-0-0-cust741.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:49:56 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-68-37-139-248.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:50:44 -!- exobit [~user@pool-74-108-9-39.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:25 -!- kvda [~kvda@124-168-182-229.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: x___x] 23:54:15 jewel [~jewel@183.62.46.82] has joined #scheme 23:54:41 arcfide [~arcfide@c-98-223-204-153.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:58:46 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.227.117] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]