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"much more flexibility" than srfi-19? Sounds good 01:03:34 ah, transitioning from one chronology to another ... don't think I've seen that before 01:05:01 jcowan: should the doc for date->alist say something like "The alist returned, if passed to "make-date", would yield the same date"? 01:05:09 and if not -- why not? 01:05:55 woonie [~woonie@175.156.202.21] has joined #scheme 01:06:15 in date-increment, what types are allowed for INCREMENT? I'm guessing any real number, but ... 01:07:38 what's an "era" -- i.e., how does "century-of-era" differ from "century"? 01:08:22 ah, it's defined below. Then you can simply say "see below" 01:09:13 I'm surprised that an instant is defined as an integer. To me, instants are ... well, instantaneous: they're _points_, not _durations_. So now I wonder if the instant corresponds to the _beginning_ of the second, or the end, or what 01:09:42 Done. It seems very clean. How much of that design is lifted from "Joda Time"? 01:10:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 01:10:55 offby1: yes, it should 01:11:10 Most of it, but Joda is much more complicated (as opposed to complex) 01:11:45 *offby1* forgets which of "complicated" and "complex" is the good guy 01:12:25 Date, or date not; there is no "try" 01:12:32 It varies depending on context 01:12:35 Sorry; it's been a long day 01:12:45 Unicode is complicated because it has to match a complicated world of writing systems. 01:13:05 sho nuff 01:13:36 Joda has complications because it's written in a static language, not just statically typed, but preferring highly static record types. 01:13:46 So it has to work hard to provide the equivalent of a-lists. 01:13:55 Then again, it also has a lot more features. 01:14:12 So it is both more complicated and more complex than my proposal. 01:14:28 ``work hard to provide the equivalent of a-lists'' -- you just made me sad 01:14:37 offby1: incrementation was intended to be only by exact integers. The whole thing is about exact integers. 01:14:44 damn, http://scheme-reports.org/2012/working-group-2.html says you've been at this for over two years. 01:14:46 Not even clear what 0.535 of a week might be. 01:14:52 really? 01:14:59 s/week/month 01:15:03 rudybot: (* .535 7 24 3600) 01:15:04 offby1: ; Value: 323568.0 01:15:05 oh. 01:17:15 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 01:17:28 ramrunner [~dsp@139.91.70.32] has joined #scheme 01:19:33 WG2 has been pretty much suspended, except for occasional bits, for much of that period. 01:20:50 oh. 01:21:06 I see you have nothing on your Amazon wish list. This makes it hard for me to send you beer remotely, e.g. 01:22:22 True. 01:22:27 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 01:22:42 And fortunately, since I don't drink. 01:22:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-58-245.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #scheme 01:23:00 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-58-245.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 01:23:00 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 01:23:08 WG2 was officially suspended in December 2010 01:24:13 that is, on (make-date (chronology 'iso) '((year . 2010) (month-of-year . 12))) 01:28:49 yuk yuk 01:29:26 that sounds dangerously like the s-exp translation "The Twelfth Month of the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Ten" 01:29:37 *translation of 01:30:10 s/beer/celebratory gift of jcowan's choice/ 01:30:21 cheese, e.g. 01:31:33 *jcowan* chuckles. 01:31:37 Thanks. 01:35:37 -!- robolobster54 [~robolobst@77.241.58.140] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:38:22 -!- ramrunner [~dsp@139.91.70.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:51:25 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:00:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:03:39 -!- ijp [~user@host86-143-197-98.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: kill -9 brain] 02:06:00 lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #scheme 02:08:29 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:44 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-193-216.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:22:13 -!- turbofail [~user@38.99.37.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:36:08 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r190-135-9-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:43:57 -!- booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:44:44 robolobster54 [~robolobst@77.241.58.140] has joined #scheme 02:45:59 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:46:28 bfig [~b_fin_g@r190-135-9-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 02:48:53 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 02:56:57 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:57:09 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:57:09 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:57:09 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 02:59:37 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 03:06:08 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:09:19 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:13:05 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:13:51 jcowan: I'm just being flippant :P 03:14:45 Yeah, I'm easily trolled, but luckily I don't much care either. Anything to relieve my GAS pains. 03:14:57 TMI 03:16:39 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17:42 foof: bug report :), the chibi-ffi generated sexp_concat_env_string procedure (for env-string params) references the 'len' variable but it is never defined klen+vlen+1 instead of 'len' will work fine too) 03:18:16 s/defined /defined, / 03:19:45 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 03:21:01 tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:21:33 actually, since calloc is being used, that assigning \0 at the end of the buffer is not necessary 03:21:43 ramrunner [~dsp@139.91.70.32] has joined #scheme 03:22:11 peterhil` [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has joined #scheme 03:27:45 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 03:28:15 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:40 Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:35:00 shardz [~s@ilo.staticfree.info] has joined #scheme 03:47:59 -!- Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.] 03:50:17 -!- ski [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: bah! an] 03:57:12 -!- ramrunner [~dsp@139.91.70.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:58:20 Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:00:10 kreol[Ukr] [~kreol@85.198.173.181] has joined #scheme 04:01:11 -!- replore_ [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:05 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:17:50 -!- kreol[Ukr] [~kreol@85.198.173.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:18:37 miql [~androirc@ip98-165-228-225.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 04:18:46 -!- miql [~androirc@ip98-165-228-225.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:19:05 how callous 04:20:06 miql [~androirc@ip98-165-228-225.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 04:23:09 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 04:23:23 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:23:23 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 04:25:35 rageous [~Adium@65-128-205-208.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:25:35 -!- rageous [~Adium@65-128-205-208.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:28:35 kvda [~kvda@124-168-182-229.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 04:31:12 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:32:47 -!- noam_ [~noam@37.142.141.69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:33:04 noam_ [~noam@37.142.141.69] has joined #scheme 04:34:04 lbc [~quassel@h198.natout.aau.dk] has joined #scheme 04:41:30 -!- miql [~androirc@ip98-165-228-225.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 04:42:55 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.185] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47:36 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 04:48:14 kreol[Ukr] [~kreol@85.198.173.181] has joined #scheme 04:49:31 tizoc: thanks - can you log a bug (or just send me a patch) so I don't forget? 04:49:36 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:51:59 foof: GAS = Geek Answer Syndrome 04:52:25 the desire to answer questions that haven't been asked, not to impress, but because the geek believes that he would ask that question in your situaation. 04:55:34 jcowan: I wasn't asking. 04:55:50 Exactly! 04:56:31 :) 05:02:13 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-hudd6-0-0-cust741.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 05:04:27 -!- woonie [~woonie@175.156.202.21] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 05:05:16 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:05:28 -!- jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:09:20 -!- ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:10:04 -!- bweaver [~weaver@unaffiliated/bweaver] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:12:25 -!- snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@67-23-4-190.static.slicehost.net] has quit [Quit: ...] 05:12:54 snarkyboojum [~snarkyboo@67.23.4.190] has joined #scheme 05:13:37 bweaver [~weaver@108-166-124-151.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #scheme 05:13:37 -!- bweaver [~weaver@108-166-124-151.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:13:37 bweaver [~weaver@unaffiliated/bweaver] has joined #scheme 05:14:34 -!- Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Few women admit their age. 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[~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:47:34 graspee [~graspee@02dd1c10.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 13:47:46 -!- FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@ip-95-222-73-101.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:49:46 -!- forcer [~forcer@hmbg-4d06d742.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #scheme 13:49:48 jao [~user@160.Red-81-39-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 13:50:05 -!- jao [~user@160.Red-81-39-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:50:05 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 13:55:49 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:58:18 FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@ip-95-222-73-101.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 14:01:14 what are the difference with racket and chicken? what would i be expected to know if i said i knew racket? 14:03:05 AFAIK, Racket is a much bigger system, including different languages, libraries and an IDE. 14:03:26 I don't know if Chicken has an IDE, but AFAIK it's a single language implementation. 14:03:30 chicken is a Scheme r5rs implementation. racket is another language. 14:04:08 Racket implements r5rs as well 14:04:12 Racket implements r5rs and r6rs, AFAIK. 14:05:45 The main difference is that chicken is scheme (r5rs) and racket is racket (which is based on scheme and happens to implement some scheme versions). 14:07:20 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 14:07:40 mario-goulart: Nonsense. In that sense chicken is not r5rs either. 14:08:21 bfig: listen to eli. He knows everything and he's always right. 14:08:40 -!- FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@ip-95-222-73-101.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:08:58 when people talk about PLT scheme they talk about racket or is talking about PLT talking about older versions/something else? 14:09:11 mario-goulart: The point is that r5rs in itself is limited to the point of being useless; both racket and chicken are *practical* systems, therefore they go well beyond r5rs. 14:09:26 bfig: people at Racket don't like when you use the oldname, so I guess that if you use the old name it's to refer the old software. 14:09:32 bfig: "PLT Scheme" is the old name of "Racket". 14:09:53 yes, but somebody talked to me about a job "using PLT Scheme" 14:10:18 bfig: right. But that probably means using racket, unless they have a need to freeze the development tools. 14:10:22 bfig: They're the same, you can consider Racket a newer version of PLT Scheme for all practical purposes. 14:10:30 bfig: for some developments, you need to freeze the tools. 14:10:47 what do you mean by freeze the tools? 14:11:05 bfig: keep using the same version of the tools for the lifetime of the project. 14:11:15 bfig: you could impress your boss my knowing the newest name 14:11:17 Rubix [~Rubix@38.111.0.121] has joined #scheme 14:11:57 bfig: if you have a development project that is planed to span ten years for example, you cannot change the programming language every year (there are new programming languages every year, or implementations that change their programming language every year). 14:13:40 i'm trying dr racket 14:13:52 what am i supposed to pick as a language? 14:14:19 bfig: I pick Common Lisp. But you can pick whatever you want. 14:14:22 I switch back and forth between typed/racket and r6rs 14:14:39 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 14:14:47 bfig: you probably want "select language from source" and use #lang racket (or #lang whatever) 14:16:01 ok 14:16:18 mucker [~mucker@183.83.21.171] has joined #scheme 14:16:41 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:16:52 -!- ski [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: bah! an] 14:19:51 eli: my point is that the core language provided chicken tries to conform to r5rs. Of course, you can implement whatever language you want on top of that. AFAIK, that's not the case of Racket, right? 14:29:10 -!- kreol[Ukr] [~kreol@85.198.173.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:30:01 -!- Radium_ [~rajesh.na@117.203.7.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:33:48 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-170-183.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:46 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 14:36:55 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:52 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-117-25.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 14:44:19 -!- ahinki [~ahinki@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0/20120501201020]] 14:46:33 -!- ledai [~lda@177.Red-83-61-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: ledai] 14:47:04 FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@ip-95-222-73-101.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 14:47:31 getpwnam [~ian@128.249.96.123] has joined #scheme 14:54:15 ventonegro 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