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your boss. 03:01:51 lol agreed 03:02:24 I read the paper on Racket's syntax parse yesterday... it is very nice 03:06:21 monteno [~monteno@cable201-232-159-151.epm.net.co] has joined #scheme 03:06:41 Hi everybody 03:06:51 Hey ho. 03:08:55 -!- jcowan is now known as kandinksi 03:09:00 -!- kandinksi is now known as jcowan 03:09:27 Sorry for bothering but I have a small question about the Scheme, our teacher told us we can do classes with "make-record-type" but I try to run in DrRacket says "expand: unbound identifier in module in: make-record-type" 03:10:03 monteno: Is your class using Racket or some other Scheme implementation? 03:10:10 You probably need to change the #lang setting, or you are incorrectly remembering the name "define-record-type". 03:10:36 Or the R6RS make-record-type-descriptor 03:11:52 The professor has written a book and this is the syntax used http://screensnapr.com/v/zqTFpX.png 03:12:47 and this is what I'm doing http://screensnapr.com/v/tTmmfw.png 03:12:50 :) 03:13:13 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14:38 monteno: I can't really read the text. What Scheme implementation/libraries did your prof intend for you to use? 03:16:08 -!- astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-235-215.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:16:36 The teacher just told us we download DrScheme, but I've tried with #lang R5RS and it shows the same error 03:16:57 Excuse me my english is not good 03:18:00 monteno: use google. https://www.google.com/search?q=drracket+make-record-type&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a 03:18:01 http://tinyurl.com/7ghsm2a 03:18:12 Okay, I think I found the book you are using. 03:18:13 Lenguajes Declarativos? 03:18:13 I can't actually read it, but it sounds like these notes assume that you are using MIT Scheme. 03:18:13 Racket doesn't support the same record functions that MIT Scheme does. 03:19:17 srfi 9 03:19:39 Yes!, Reading the book talks a lot about MIT Scheme, but the professor thinks that it can run in drscheme 03:19:52 so, drscheme is another interpreter? 03:19:56 sorry MIT scheme 03:20:12 Yes. 03:20:30 monteno: I am pretty sure the code from your book will not work as is. You will have to translate it into Racket's syntax or use a different Scheme like MIT. 03:21:11 ok I'll download MIT Scheme and will try again 03:23:40 Excuse me again I've downloaded this http://screensnapr.com/v/7PWC16.png 03:23:47 that is MIT SCHEME? 03:24:10 yup 03:24:14 Technically MIT/GNU Scheme. 03:24:18 @_@ 03:24:57 So, I just put the code in that window like drscheme ,right? 03:27:43 Does anyone know why (cd "/desiredworkingdirectory") wouldn't work as a line in the .edwin configuration file? 03:28:24 -!- FunkyDrummer [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:29:11 Ready, how can i run the code? 03:29:12 monteno: MIT/GNU has srfi 9 built in see http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-ref/define_002drecord_002dtype-_0028SRFI-9_0029.html 03:29:16 http://tinyurl.com/6wh7jsp 03:31:58 I think he wants to use http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-ref/Records.html rather than SRFI-9. 03:31:59 http://tinyurl.com/6ulntz7 03:33:06 http://screensnapr.com/v/NrhMJb.png 03:33:22 How can I run it? 03:33:44 -!- arcfide [~arcfide@c-98-223-204-153.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34:23 Ah, won't it be nice when every implementation has SRFI 9? 03:35:14 asamu that is the teacher sintax! :-) 03:35:53 but I still don't know how to run the code in MIT Scheme 03:37:12 holy cow i can't even open a file with edwin 03:37:40 how does one go about that? scheme filename.scm does not work. 03:37:52 isn't it the same as emacs? C:x, C:f 03:38:03 run code C:x,C:e 03:38:25 that should work, hold on 03:39:00 wollw [~davidsher@75-101-85-170.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 03:39:22 ctrl+e doesn't work :O 03:40:05 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:40:30 grettke, thanks, newbie here 03:40:36 -!- Axioplas1_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 03:40:41 Axioplase_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #scheme 03:41:15 BTW any idea why (cd "/desiredworkingdirectory") wouldn't work as a line in the .edwin configuration file? 03:41:15 robo: welcome I am still a newbie lol 03:42:33 Nice is running! :D 03:42:49 Can I copy/psate in that window 03:42:53 ? 03:43:00 robo: that I don't know, did you join the MIt scheme mailing list? 03:43:12 monteno: C:y to paste 03:43:18 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@2001:5c0:1400:b::1] has left #scheme 03:43:20 grettke, I have not, is it worth it? 03:43:44 monteno: they know edwin inside out 03:43:55 musashi0011 [~musashi00@ool-44c144d3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 03:46:36 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-187-216-209.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 03:46:51 MIT scheme doesn't have an eye candy GUI xD 03:47:13 I can't undo 03:47:33 monteno: C:/ 03:47:47 monteno: you need to learn emacs to use MIT's version called 'edwin' 03:48:24 But you can paste using the OS paste operation (middle click on X, ^V on Windows) 03:50:16 -!- 16WAAJUYV [~rajesh.na@117.203.12.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:51:41 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-hudd6-0-0-cust741.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 03:53:56 http://screensnapr.com/v/2Z98YE.png :( 03:54:31 rageous [~Adium@65-128-205-208.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 03:55:05 monteno: yea that is no fun 03:58:17 Radium [~rajesh.na@117.203.12.17] has joined #scheme 03:59:26 kreol[Ukr] [~kreol@85.198.173.181] has joined #scheme 04:00:03 ctrl+e only runs the current line 04:00:16 there is another key combination to run all? 04:00:22 -!- musashi0011 [~musashi00@ool-44c144d3.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 04:02:08 C:x,C:h to select the whole buffer then C:x,C:e maybe? 04:02:36 http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Lisp-Eval.html 04:02:45 what I wrote was wrong 04:03:05 M is the letter? 04:03:10 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:03:13 the key M ? 04:03:14 Read this monteno: http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-user/Edwin.html 04:03:15 http://tinyurl.com/yhbeo4v 04:05:26 grettke What is the M key? 04:06:03 C is ctrl but M is ? 04:06:24 Meta 04:06:28 alt 04:06:28 also known as "Alt" 04:06:31 -!- replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:39 meta-x spook 04:06:43 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-187-216-209.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:07:02 did the sun keyboards have a meta key? 04:07:05 i can't remember 04:07:09 after opening a file with c-x c-f, i can't c-e to evaluate 04:07:22 leku: they had something that acted as one. Dunno how it was labeled. 04:07:25 i get "REPL needs response before evaluation will be enabled" why? 04:07:46 I think Suns had keyboards just like today's -- one "Alt" key and one "Logo" key on each side of the space bar. 04:07:51 ah 04:08:00 google images for "sun keyboard" 04:08:02 well the old ones type 3 ithink they are 04:08:09 had some keys off on the left, L1 04:08:21 i remember l1-a was the stop sequence or something 04:08:24 now it is stop-a? 04:08:28 chu`` [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 04:08:46 ya 04:08:53 robo: I don't know, I don't have mit set up right now 04:09:05 ah yeah the sun logo key 04:10:11 http://pastebin.com/pVnnTv6t some one please tell me it that runs 04:10:36 I could not run it in MITSCHEME :( 04:10:46 -!- chu`` is now known as chu 04:11:18 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 04:11:45 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 04:12:02 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:12:09 http://patrickcollison.com/blog/2008/04/lisp-machines 04:12:27 has anyone tried running this symbolics open genera stuff? 04:14:42 leku: no but on the internet they make it seem easy, and, you can still buy a license for that software 04:16:21 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.213.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:18:19 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.207.175] has joined #scheme 04:20:47 -!- kreol[Ukr] [~kreol@85.198.173.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:21:59 rudybot: init http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pVnnTv6t 04:22:00 offby1: error: make-module-evaluator: expecting a single `module' program; got more than a single expression 04:22:05 pff 04:22:08 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:17 rudybot: init racket 04:22:19 offby1: your sandbox is ready 04:22:25 you need a license? 04:22:27 i thought it was free 04:22:34 I could probably get it up and runnign 04:22:38 just wondering if it is worth it 04:22:48 rudybot: (define Vector (make-record-type "Vector" '(Vi Vj))) 04:22:48 offby1: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: make-record-type in module: 'program 04:23:03 xD 04:23:07 leku: that is not free software, it is a commerical product that is still for sale, genera 04:23:11 needs some srfi or other 04:23:29 ahh 04:24:13 rudybot:init scheme 04:24:14 monteno: your scheme sandbox is ready 04:24:49 (+1 1) 04:25:00 rudybot: (+ 1 1) 04:25:00 monteno: ; Value: 2 04:25:03 :O 04:25:44 what the fuck is with the ACM charging money for papers from 1982 04:25:48 http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=802148&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE 04:25:55 There is no one at all who has the slightest claim to the Symbolics intellectual property rights, with the possible exception of some subset of {Massachusetts, California, Delaware}. 04:26:04 leku: yes it is an issue 04:26:16 The people who might have had a claim to it are either dead, or support its free-as-in-speech use by whoever wants to. 04:26:43 really jcowan? 04:26:46 The man who supposedly bought the rights (for which he never paid) is dead. 04:26:48 so i can get this torrent and 04:26:49 just run the shit 04:26:53 thats what it seems like 04:27:04 You need the image and the emulator, plus an x86_64 to run the emulator on. 04:27:57 It's essentially a retargeting of the DEC Alpha emulator that Symbolics sold in its last gasp. 04:28:15 (Perry Metzger bent my ear about this yesterday at great length and with circumstantial details.) 04:28:16 i have the x86-64 04:28:26 windows->vmware->linux 04:28:28 right? 04:28:46 Well, provided you have a 64-bit Linux userland, yes. 04:28:48 jcowan: I emailed D.K. Schmidt at the symbolics.com website and talked to him about it; he said it was licensed and for sale. Now I see that website is gone. Guess nobody bought it. 04:28:51 k 04:29:05 my computers are all i7s, shuold be good to go 04:29:32 grettke: If you look at the torrent, he's saying "If you want to run this code, contact me and I can sell you a Lisp machine." As opposed to "Run this, and your ass is mine." 04:29:44 s/torrent/torrent comments 04:30:01 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-25-97.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:30:14 ait wut? 04:30:37 jcowan: I talked to him about buying a lisp machine, but there was also an option of purchasing a license for Genera to run on the emulator. He was explained that he owned the license. That was many years ago though. I guess they are out of business? 04:30:38 FWIU, Perry intends to liberate the bits from the image and release them, as soon as he can decipher the obscure compression scheme used to store them. 04:30:44 what is stopping me from running this, just ethical issues of warezing software or wht? 04:30:50 Not even that. 04:31:04 leku: jcowan says it is no longer owned by anyone 04:31:08 cool 04:31:13 well right on i'm gonna try it out 04:31:23 In principle, it has escheated to the state, though it is far from clear *which* state. 04:31:43 And while in principle some of {DE, MA, CA} might want to sue for their rights, the commercial value is obviously $0. 04:31:48 So there is no ethical issue *at all*. 04:31:54 Or practical issue of any sort. 04:32:14 (I'm just channeling Perry here; I haven't checked all this, except superficially.) 04:32:33 k 04:32:43 i was gonna run it either way 04:32:48 yarr harr fidelly di 04:32:51 It is a non-rivalrous good that no one has any incentive to exclude anyone else from using. Short of an actual license, that is as free as anything can be. 04:33:59 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.185] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34:44 so is all the source code available when I download the torrent? 04:34:55 Try and see. I don't have a 64-bit box. 04:34:59 how come no one has tried to revive this and throw it under the MIT lciense 04:35:34 You can't license what you don't own. 04:35:43 -!- monteno [~monteno@cable201-232-159-151.epm.net.co] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36:01 why not 04:36:03 its public domain now 04:36:09 right? 04:37:17 No. Its true owner is unknown. That's not the same as nonexistent. 04:37:39 It is what is called an "orphaned work", which is not a legal status, just a statement of fact about what can be learned about the rights, namely nothing. 04:37:48 so.. 04:37:58 But what is known is that the true owner(s) have no interest in pursuing you. 04:37:58 uhuhuhu 04:38:01 04:38:15 i will karate chop those fucks in half 04:38:32 they should come out of their cave and release this as OSS 04:38:39 The only programs in the public domain are those written by U.S. government employees in the scope of their employment, and then only within the U.S. 04:38:58 i'm downloading thsi stuff on BT right now 04:39:15 How does the State of Delaware go about releasing something it doesn't know it owns, doesn't know *whether* it owns, and has not the slightest interest (financial or otherwise) in? 04:39:24 ok so 04:39:34 can't we just slap a MIT license on it and pretend we wrote it 04:39:37 lol 04:39:42 if no one is going to argue, who caers? 04:39:44 Sure, if you don't mind committing fraud. 04:39:47 haha 04:39:50 I think that *is* an ethical issue. 04:39:54 i wanan come up with the "Fuck You" license 04:39:59 where I just relicense stuff 04:40:01 under the pirate flag 04:40:10 Offtopic: Anyone use latex in here? 04:40:20 you can redistribute it for free and charge $9.95USD for the CD-R you burned it on 04:40:24 rageous: yes latex 04:40:39 i'm not trying to make money i just want to bring this into the light of the world again 04:40:47 You need to download the VLM too. 04:40:52 grettke: Do you know anything about bibtex? I'm having a heck of a time trying to figure this thing out. 04:41:08 rageous: tell me more what is your goal 04:41:25 the VLM eh 04:41:26 I just want to create a really simply bibliography with a paper that I'm finishing up. 04:41:35 the snap4 thing? 04:42:12 Most of my references are books  I've created a .bib file, created a list of references in what I think is the appropirate format, but actually trying to cite, it just gives me [?] in the output, and no bibliography is produced. 04:43:01 rageous: download JabRef and use that to manage the contents of your bibliography, put the bib file in the directory with your latex file, add \bibliographystyle{siam} and \bibliography{file name but no extension}, and then you can and \cite{key} in your paper, run latex, bibtex, latex latex and it should work 04:43:08 rageous: gotta run it more times 04:43:48 Well, I'm getting an error that reads: LaTeX Warning: There were undefined references. 04:43:59 I've paired it down to a single reference, and the key is correct. 04:44:22 rageous: is it unicode in the bibtex or something and ascii in the latex 04:44:29 rageous: change the key 04:44:51 whoever thoughgt writing reserach papers could be so fun 04:45:10 leku: it is fun until you have to format them for the standards committee my gosh 04:45:15 lol 04:45:19 Furthermore, it says there is no .bbl  is this something that is required that I write, or is it optional? 04:45:33 All of these walk-throughs make it seem like it should be a lot simpler than what I'm finding. 04:45:34 Good god. 04:45:38 rageous: think it is generated by bibtex 04:45:46 rageous: it never seems to go well 04:46:03 Damn it all. And this is the best we've got for writing technical papers? 04:46:35 rageous: I told my mentor that this morning, he said think back to when all we had was typewriters and you'll see why we all use it. I guess you could switch to MS Word. 04:46:37 I'll try this jabref business as you've recommended. 04:47:25 rageous: jabref is very nice for managing bibtex 04:48:09 .jars scare me, but I'll trust you. 04:48:29 rageous: depends what is in them 04:48:32 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48:35 rageous: use the oracle jvm to run it 04:48:55 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 04:49:19 grettke: This is actually pretty badass. Let's see. 04:49:49 rageous: it'll lookup pubmed stuff for you transparently 04:50:09 rageous: yesterday I caused errors by copying unicode characters into my bibtex 04:53:41 rageous: email me @acm.org and let me know how it went 04:53:43 bye folks 04:53:53 -!- grettke [~grettke@70.92.11.221] has quit [] 04:53:57 -!- kudkudyak [~user@94.72.151.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:38 -!- Giomancer [~Gio@76.231.35.17] has quit [Quit: We be chillin - IceChat style] 05:11:34 damn 05:11:37 statice is elite 05:11:54 OO db providing persistent shared objects 05:12:52 rageous: for the last technical thing with a bibliography I wrote, I used Scribble + autobib: http://pre.racket-lang.org/docs/html/scriblib/autobib.html 05:13:12 And yeah, LaTeX is horrible. 05:13:20 why is it still being used 05:13:26 keenbug [~daniel@p4FE38F37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 05:13:28 it's like 100 years old 05:13:33 theres still nothing better to use? 05:13:45 Despite its flaws, it is very stable software. It implements high quality typesetting algorithms. 05:14:52 The number of person-years you would need to put in to totally replace it is very high. 05:14:52 For example, there was an entire dissertation written on efficient word-breaking for TeX. 05:14:59 (involving a new compressed trie data structure and a nice heuristic algorithm) 05:16:30 RITRedbeard [Yoss@t410.student.rit.edu] has joined #scheme 05:17:19 asumu, thanks for the input. 05:17:23 wow damn 05:17:35 It's sort of kind of working now. 05:17:50 statice provides objects that are shared between workstations 05:17:55 *drools* 05:18:20 http://www.symbolics-dks.com/Statice-2.htm 05:18:38 rageous: that's good. Yeah, BibTeX is a pain. 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implementations 19:05:45 so what other implementations would you recommend? 19:05:54 weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has joined #scheme 19:06:44 I would check out the big ones, racket, chicken, guile, mit-scheme 19:06:54 and look at the libraries they support 19:07:14 and then you can chose the implementation that suits you best 19:07:44 Racket is the biggest, with the built-in IDE and all, and is designed for both student and professional use. 19:07:58 oh, okay. I've already been looking at drracket and 'how to design programs', so I'll just use racket then. 19:08:00 thanks 19:08:15 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:09:54 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-53.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:10:57 Edwin users, how to get syntax highlighting? 19:11:11 for scheme, python, and or c 19:12:34 there is no syntax highlighting in edwin 19:12:46 (fontlocking is not implemented) 19:14:19 thanks answer_42 19:14:38 how about something like cleartype like fonts? 19:14:53 I run it through x11 19:16:06 robolobster54: no support for those either.. the x11 interface in MIT/GNU Scheme is .. rusty. 19:16:20 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 19:17:08 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Client Quit] 19:17:29 annodomini [~lambda@173-14-129-9-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 19:17:29 -!- annodomini [~lambda@173-14-129-9-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:17:29 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 19:19:29 Do I even have to use Edwin? I need to use MIT/GNU Scheme, couldn't I use, for example, http://emacsforosx.com/ for that? How to install, then? 19:19:45 -!- FreeArtMan [~fam@213.175.106.134] has quit [Quit: Out of this 3D] 19:20:04 ecraven? 19:20:16 (btw thanks for previous answer) 19:20:37 robolobster54: i use emacs with slime and MIT/GNU Scheme. works very well 19:21:29 get a recent emacs. then get swank.scm from https://github.com/ecraven/mit-scheme-swank and install it (instructions on that page). 19:21:48 then put the stuff right on top of swank.scm into your .emacs. then start emacs, type M-x slime and hope things work :) 19:22:49 Thanks ecraven, silly me, Emacs comes with MIT Scheme... 19:22:57 So.. what are swank and slime? :) 19:23:03 And if you don't want to hassle with slime you can also use quack with Emacs 19:23:23 wat 19:23:24 answer_42: slime has completion and inspection and basic debugging support and whatnot.. much more than quack 19:23:41 sounds nice 19:23:43 robolobster54: SLIME is the superior lisp interaction mode for emacs 19:23:50 r_r_r [~chatzilla@77.127.38.40] has joined #scheme 19:24:06 you should install a recent version of emacs and slime from cvs (not sure how to do that on a mac) 19:24:15 ecraven: I know that, but it's more difficult to set up 19:24:29 ecraven, cvs? 19:24:58 answer_42: not here, on arch linux i just install packages emacs-bzr and slime-cvs, then the stuff from https://github.com/ecraven/mit-scheme-swank, then it just works :) 19:25:30 nice. i might get an archlinux partition 19:25:32 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 19:26:22 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:27 a lot of things work very well, though unfortunately MIT/GNU Scheme doesn't support everything slime does :( 19:26:40 robolobster54: slime is the emacs part, swank is the backend on your Lisp or Scheme system 19:27:00 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:27:07 arcfide [~arcfide@c-98-223-204-153.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:27:40 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 19:32:10 Radium_ [~rajesh.na@117.203.6.60] has joined #scheme 19:32:46 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:00 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:44:27 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-163-13.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:00 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:52:30 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:53 -!- r_r_r [~chatzilla@77.127.38.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:01:55 robolobster54: if you need help with setting it up, don't hesitate to ask! 20:02:45 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:06:29 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@d14-69-169-157.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 20:06:52 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:53 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:11:05 -!- whitequark [~whitequar@2a00:ab00:1::4464:5550] has left #scheme 20:11:40 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61BE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 20:13:02 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 20:15:10 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-194-136.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:44 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-194-136.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:17:07 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:19:51 -!- noam_ [~noam@37.142.141.69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:29 noam_ [~noam@37.142.141.69] has joined #scheme 20:23:52 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-170-41.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:38 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-35-110.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 20:30:15 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:27 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:46:27 zuchel [~marcin@178-37-235-134.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 20:46:58 -!- zuchel [~marcin@178-37-235-134.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:48:37 thanks ecraven! 20:48:57 I'm starting with getting paredit to work with emacs for osx. Not working 20:52:12 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:44 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 20:57:01 robolobster54: what version of emacs are you using? 20:57:11 robolobster54: type M-x emacs-version 20:57:26 23.3 20:57:45 hm.. that should probably work. how exactly is it "not working"? 20:59:06 I add this to the .emacs file http://pastebin.com/YFW6KJAW 20:59:08 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-194-136.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:22 and then i get: Cannot open file:paredit 21:00:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 21:00:39 robolobster54: you need (add-to-list 'load-path "/path/to/parent/directory/") too (wherever you put paredit.el, that directory) 21:00:47 above the other stuff 21:01:32 M-: (require 'paredit) should show "paredit" in the Message line, otherwise Emacs can't load it correctly 21:01:33 thanks ecraven, i suppose this emacs version doesn't have the paredit.el file 21:01:57 just put paredit.el in ~/.emacs.d or something :) 21:02:10 http://mumble.net/~campbell/emacs/paredit.el 21:02:11 here 21:02:14 thanks! :) 21:02:26 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:02:26 i assumed the file was readily available, as i had no trouble doing this with edwin 21:02:27 I don't think paredit is a part of Emacs proper 21:02:48 thanks for the help :) 21:03:08 brb, need food to continue! 21:03:14 no problem, it should work if you put it somewhere on your load path (or add the directory where you put it to your load path) 21:03:45 i'll go to bed soon, if you run into further trouble, i'll be online in some 10 hours or so again :) plenty of help in here, in #emacs and in #lisp (about slime) too! 21:04:17 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-194-136.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:04:23 but MIT/GNU Scheme with SLIME really *is* fun to work with! 21:06:20 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:06:38 ok! thanks for being so helpful! see you around here 21:09:59 -!- getpwnam [~ian@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:11:19 I've just tuned up my proposal for a Scheme-large date/time arithmetic library. 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