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When I launch it from the terminal, it won't start in with the launch directory as current directory, is this normal? Also, scheme filename.scm will not create or open filename.scm 01:16:13 robolobster54: you'll have to tell us which Scheme implementation. There are many. 01:16:22 robolobster54: i'm running Chicken on OS X. 01:16:23 MIT/GNU 01:18:15 robolobster54: I have no idea about MIT Scheme. Racket will use the launch directory as the current directory. Guile does too. 01:19:28 I'm trying to use this http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/gjs/propagators/ , by the looks of it, it requires MIT/GNU Scheme 01:19:42 "Scheme-Propagators is implemented in http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/MIT/GNU Scheme, which you will need in order to use it." 01:21:11 What are the type of differences between these implementations? Just so I get an idea of how they are different 01:24:38 -!- surrounder_ is now known as surrounder 01:30:13 robolobster54: The various implementations are pretty different from each other. Unless your software's author took pains to be portable, chances are good it will work nowhere else. 01:30:35 robolobster54: For example, when I write a program for Racket or Guile, I'm pretty certain it will work on no other implementations. :-P 01:30:58 OTOH, you have people like ijp who aim to write portable code as much as possible. 01:31:13 I see, thanks cky 01:31:40 Still, I'll have a look and see if it's easy to port to Racket. 01:31:45 Is there somewhere where I am likely to find people using MIT/GNU Scheme? 01:31:53 This channel is it. 01:32:05 Do you use it cky 01:32:08 It's just that Racket and Chicken are more popular. 01:32:08 *? 01:32:10 Alas not. 01:32:19 Ok :) 01:32:21 My three Scheme implementations I regularly use are Racket, Guile, and Chicken. 01:32:36 May I ask why? 01:33:07 Sure! 1. Racket is fast (has a JIT compiler), and is "batteries included" like Python is. Also, it has a nice set of user-contributed libraries (PLaneT). 01:33:31 2. Guile has good POSIX support, and 2.0 is a huge improvement over previous versions. It's also the GNU extension language, and is the first Scheme implementation I was exposed to. 01:33:54 3. Chicken compiles to C, and interfaces nicely with C libraries (and maybe C++ too, not sure). It also has a nice set of user-contributed libraries (Eggs). 01:34:27 In terms of internals, I probably know Guile's internals best, just because I've been following the Guile project longer than the others. 01:35:20 What do you mean by "batteries included"? 01:35:58 robolobster54: Batteries-included is a term used by Python people. Basically it means that the system comes with all sorts of useful libraries so you don't have to go install a zillion libraries yourself to get anything useful done. 01:36:08 Got it 01:37:00 The analogy is with packaged toys or gadgets; some come with batteries and are thus usable "out of the box"; others require you to buy batteries first. 01:37:02 Thanks for the info. It seems I'm stuck with MIT Scheme, I'll make the best of it as I explore propagators in their current form 01:37:12 Good luck! If it's easy to port, I'll let you know. 01:37:25 (Maybe during the weekend, depending on my free time.) 01:37:25 Thanks! I'm keen to learn as much as possible. 01:37:28 :-) 01:37:42 I'm going to practically live here so I'll definitely see you around :) Thx for the help. 01:38:56 helichopter [~austin@ool-4577ba80.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 01:40:49 -!- ski [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:41:20 Yay! :-D 01:47:16 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:52:05 kvda [~kvda@124-168-204-32.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 01:52:28 squimmy_ [tim1@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] has joined #scheme 01:53:15 -!- squimmy [tim1@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:56:48 -!- amgarching [~amgarchin@p4FD61970.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:57:33 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-119-60.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:03:31 -!- robolobster54 [~robolobst@77.241.58.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:04:51 realitygrill 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a lot of things, but not that :) 13:00:30 robolobster54 [~robolobst@77.241.58.140] has joined #scheme 13:01:08 robolobster54: did you try to start MIT/GNU Scheme with parametrs --load filename.scm --edit ? that should bring up Edwin *and* load your file 13:02:59 ecraven: the DNS code can be far off from: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rotty/scheme-libraries/industria/view/head:/weinholt/net/dns.sls 13:03:00 http://tinyurl.com/7wwwfhv 13:03:29 sestisr [~chatzilla@138.227.189.8] has joined #scheme 13:03:40 s/can/can't/ 13:04:19 leppie: indeed, this looks very similar (though more complete) to what i wrote last weekend 13:04:23 thanks for the link! 13:04:24 tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 13:04:27 :) 13:04:46 always good to have some reference, not sure if that is fully working though 13:05:59 it would be great to have portable implementations of the basic networking protocols :-/ 13:06:14 irc, http, dns, smtp, pop3, imap, that sort of thing.. 13:06:19 look a bit up in that 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How would I most efficiently go about depleting the list left to right, i.e. pick the leftmost sublist of length n and apply the function to it, if during runtime the arity of the function is unknown? 13:54:31 dzhus [~dzhus@95-25-251-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 13:55:14 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 14:01:14 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #scheme 14:01:59 Skola [~Skola@89.184.179.185] has joined #scheme 14:07:07 arcfide [~arcfide@c-98-223-204-153.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:07:28 FRSHPRNCFBLR: i'm not sure you need to? 14:07:28 -!- kreol[Ukr] [~kreol@85.198.173.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:08:10 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has left #scheme 14:11:31 KosherSamosa, well apply requires the arity of the function and the length of the list to match. 14:12:14 FRSHPRNCFBLR: right, i suppose I am mistaken. hrm. well you need some kind of reflection on that 14:12:27 Is there a way to create an anonymous function with fixed arity to be specified during runtime? 14:13:35 KosherSamosa, well I can use procedure-arity and take, since I'm working with racket, but the arity is implicity specified during the runtime creation of the function. 14:13:50 i see 14:13:57 *KosherSamosa* doesn't use racket so probably can't help 14:15:14 *FRSHPRNCFBLR* is still thankful. 14:15:18 woonie [~woonie@175.156.202.21] has joined #scheme 14:19:15 FRSHPRNCFBLR: why do you need this, BTW? 14:19:20 Are you generating a bunch of functions? 14:20:04 asumu, exactly. I'm composing a bunch of functions with variable arity. 14:20:30 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:20:34 I think I found an easy way around it though 14:21:14 *FRSHPRNCFBLR* needs to spend more time thinking before asking. 14:21:25 FRSHPRNCFBLR: well, the asking can stimulate thoughts. :) 14:21:53 asumu, that's why I keep on deleting most of what I type into this window. 14:24:32 bigfg [~b_fin_g@r190-135-35-226.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 14:24:49 kofeine [~Miranda@knowingly-handling.volia.net] has joined #scheme 14:28:05 -!- bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-52-144-38.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:30:13 -!- ijp [~user@host86-171-26-35.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:31:42 -!- kofeine [~Miranda@knowingly-handling.volia.net] has left #scheme 14:33:55 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 14:43:54 -!- dnolen 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[~user@host86-162-111-171.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:10:53 turbofail [~user@c-24-5-89-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:15:45 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 18:23:31 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 18:24:40 steampunkey [4e8684bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.132.189] has joined #scheme 18:28:37 can someone please explain how in the heck is this function supposed to be used: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129312 18:28:46 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:29:26 rudybot: (define map2 (lambda (fun) (lambda (lst) (cond ((null? lst) '()) (#t (cons (func (car lst)) ((map2 func) (cdr lst)))) ) ) ) ) 18:29:26 pjb: Done. 18:29:44 rudybot: ((map2 (lambda (x) (* x x))) '(1 2 3 4)) 18:29:45 pjb: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: func in module: 'program 18:29:56 pjb: n00b! 18:30:03 rudybot: (define map2 (lambda (fun) (lambda (lst) (cond ((null? lst) '()) (#t (cons (fun (car lst)) ((map2 fun) (cdr lst)))) ) ) ) ) 18:30:03 pjb: Done. 18:30:06 rudybot: ((map2 (lambda (x) (* x x))) '(1 2 3 4)) 18:30:06 pjb: ; Value: (1 4 9 16) 18:30:16 qu1j0t3: it's not my code. 18:30:22 pjb: i'm kidding :) 18:30:34 tel me, not show me 18:30:43 erm 18:30:55 steampunkey: remember that (define f (lambda (args) )) is equivalent to (define (f args) ) 18:31:09 okay. 18:31:31 steampunkey: therefore (define (f args1) (lambda (args2) )) is equivalent to (define ((f args1) args2) ) 18:31:40 and therefore it can be ased as ((f args1) args2) 18:31:44 s/ased/used/ 18:32:40 steampunkey: but of course, you can stop before the end. (map2 (lambda (x) (* x x))) returns a function that takes a list and returns a list of squares. 18:34:25 (define (f args) ) <- o.O 18:34:44 what does that define then? 18:35:19 wait.. 18:36:31 f 18:36:44 that was an easy one! 18:36:45 it's syntantic sugal for (define f (lambda (args...) ...)) 18:37:03 (aka mit style define) 18:37:47 oh sorry oh sorry i got here in the middle of something? not sure what the context was... :) 18:37:52 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-187-216-209.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:37:59 r_r_r: you're correct. 18:37:59 r_r_r: that's ok 18:38:24 steampunkey: remember that "is equivalent to" is an equivalence relationship. Therefore it's symetric. 18:38:32 :_) 18:38:42 Radium [~rajesh.na@117.203.3.162] has joined #scheme 18:39:53 steampunkey: indeed, this equivalence only gives a facade of currying, not the real thing. The thing defined is the symbol naming the innermost function. 18:41:10 why doesn't scm fix its friggin readline. ALL CAPS RAGE 18:41:13 The normal way to define map2 would be: (define (map2 fun lst) (cond ((null? lst) '()) (#t (cons (fun (car lst)) (map2 fun (cdr lst)))))) 18:41:31 So it'd be called (map2 (lambda (x) (* x x)) '(1 2 3 4)) 18:41:32 pjb: right. 18:42:46 pjb, isn't it (define map2 map) ? :p 18:42:51 Yes. 18:43:20 and this one is called: ((map2 (lambda (x) (* x x))) '(1 2 3 4)) ? 18:43:56 -!- ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:07 the first nested list being a closure, correct? 18:44:24 (with func mapped to the anon function there for squaring nrs) 18:44:25 Yes. 18:44:26 wait i might be misunderstanding something, didn't you mean by map2 a map accepting 2 lists? 18:44:29 ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has joined #scheme 18:44:40 Not here. 18:45:09 ah i see... 18:45:31 pjb: but it seems it isn't. scm complains func is undefined. 18:45:44 *unbound variable bleh 18:45:47 choas [~lars@p4FDC5DEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:46:48 either scm is horribly broken, or you have a typo 18:47:54 steampunkey: yes, because it is undefined. Read the rudybot interaction above! 18:49:26 :-( 18:49:53 If you can't spell, you can't cast spells! 18:50:18 lolwut? i just don't see the diff... sec 18:50:31 rudybot: magic discriminates against the dyslexic 18:50:31 ijp: I don't know that the MOTD discriminates. 18:50:52 oops 18:52:45 hmm. after fixing the fun[irony] it says wrong nr of args 18:53:21 for the closure :-/ 18:53:23 Copy-and-paste might be put to good use here. 18:54:38 pjb: catch: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129313 18:55:25 steampunkey: yes, you're using the wrong form. 18:55:36 steampunkey: concentrate on the rudybot interaction. 18:55:55 [20:27] rudybot: ((map2 (lambda (x) (* x x))) '(1 2 3 4)) [20:27] pjb: ; Value: (1 4 9 16) 18:56:28 hmm 18:57:02 that's weird. why is it in another set of braces? 18:57:12 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:22 Because your map2 takes only one argument, fun. 18:57:36 rudybot: (map2 (lambda (x) (* x x))) 18:57:36 pjb: ; Value: # 18:57:37 because the call to `map2' returns a procedure, which is then applied to a list 18:57:46 wait, scm is playing tricks on me again, i'll have to paste them somewhere else to compare... 18:57:54 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-188-216.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:22 oh 18:58:23 my bad 18:58:27 (of course) 18:59:24 well, partially. scm added a '(' to my wrong form (when pressing up to get history). what is WITH that interpreter 19:00:06 it uses GNU readline, but unlike all other interpreters, fails. 19:00:56 (itym interactors) 19:00:57 what interpreter do you ppl use? 19:01:16 ski: interactive shells, yes 19:01:33 steampunkey: I'm a CL programmer. Otherwise I use rudybot :-) 19:02:52 thanks for the help 19:03:32 Otherwise I have bigloo installed, since mit scheme doesn't compile on my gentoo 64-bit. 19:04:07 steampunkey: I use Racket. scm has some quirks so it's probably better to use one of the popular ones like Racket, Guile, or Chicken. 19:04:46 pjb: my prob too (64 bits) 19:05:57 asumu: is chicken an interpreter as well? 19:06:12 ls 19:06:34 -!- albert-sicp [~albert-si@adsl-71-156-35-110.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:32 afaik, it's a compiler 19:07:32 steampunkey: Are you asking if they have REPLs? All of the ones I listed have REPLs. 19:07:41 (but it has an interactor as well) 19:08:25 ski: JITC? o.O 19:08:43 steampunkey: There's not a clear distinction between interpreted/compiled. e.g., Racket compiles all code even in the REPL to bytecode and executes that. 19:08:47 woonie [~woonie@175.156.202.21] has joined #scheme 19:09:01 asumu: which one then, Guile or Chicken? 19:09:05 And in a language with a REPL it hardly matters anyway (aside from efficiency concerns) 19:09:43 steampunkey: So I prefer Racket. You'd have to ask someone who mainly uses those two for a fair comparison of the two. 19:10:17 or, if you'd prefer, we can also offer an unfair comparison, at no extra charge. 19:10:22 :) 19:10:33 *qu1j0t3* is prepared to inject entirely unfounded speculation 19:10:40 steampunkey : see the 2007-07-14 entry "Summarizing several issues with compilation and interpretation" at -- also see the 2007-06-19 entry "Concerning compilation and interpretation, and an interpretation of the compilation of confusion surrounding theirmeaning and execution" 19:10:55 rudybot: eval `(,(if (zero? (random 2)) 'chicken 'guile) sucks) 19:10:56 ijp: your sandbox is ready 19:10:56 ijp: ; Value: (chicken sucks) 19:11:00 there you have it 19:11:38 :-D 19:12:57 oh there is some difference because interpreters tend to not have all instances of const lists and such at the same address, as far as i can tell :) 19:13:13 (not that it matters according to the standard) 19:14:25 ski: that's seriously his blog? a text file? :-) 19:15:23 it's not a blog, it's a blag 19:16:05 rudybot: does the blag contain enough information for creating a passable Riastradh AI after his eventual death? 19:16:06 ijp: this reminded me of just how many bad flicks i go through in order to find a few good ones http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/gmfed/watch_for_1_minute_youll_end_up_watching_the/ (oh well, at least the trailers of these got recycled into something passable) 19:16:46 that video was removed by the user. 19:17:34 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 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booyah: Vladimir Nesov's advice is perfect. :) 23:27:23 qu1j0t3: you think so? 23:27:53 absolutely. 23:28:22 booyah: well 23:28:54 booyah: i agree with his resource recommendations 23:30:06 booyah: i think he's using Euler as an example only 23:30:24 booyah: there are other sources of problems -- like Code Kata -- some of which are aimed at experienced programmers 23:30:50 Euler is strong on number theory so tends to interest people who want to strengthen those skills as well 23:36:22 -!- r_r_r [~chatzilla@77.126.184.189] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]] 23:37:42 ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #scheme 23:46:21 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-148-123.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:54:51 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:57:21 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-155-216.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 23:57:31 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit 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