00:01:46 The same number that can cross the road, I guess. 00:02:54 How many cigars can a Scotsman smoke at once? 00:03:14 no true scotsman would smoke fewer than 5 at a time 00:03:17 none, cigars are for w****ers 00:03:39 (true scottish response) 00:03:43 Arbitrarily many (because of the supposed Scottish practice of reusing cigar butts to make new cigars) 00:05:02 jcowan: I appreciate your effort to make it compatible, but the r6rs io stuff is kinda ugly 00:05:24 Are you looking at my wiki pages? 00:05:34 I've been pretty busy recently, so no 00:05:59 jcowan: leaving them out is probably fine 00:06:05 http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/FilesAdvancedCowan and trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/SettingsListsCowan 00:06:24 get-string-n! I have never used, and wouldn't even consider using anyway due to my anti-mutable-string bias 00:06:40 *jcowan* too. 00:06:49 standard-*-port is more useful, but meh 00:06:59 A settings list is used in place of a filename in the various open procedures: it lets you specify buffering, encoding, etc. etc. 00:07:38 weird, filesadvancedcowan is giving me a "not found" page 00:08:32 "Why did the Chicken compile to C." I see. 00:09:07 jcowan: I meant, of course, how many Schemes compile to C, and which ones. :) 00:09:08 a settings list is way better than the r6rs way, but still, I'd have preferred keywords given the choice 00:09:39 I guess settings lists are somewhat reusable though, so that's a plus 00:09:41 jcowan: n00b error 00:10:04 Arrgh. 00:10:28 jcowan: what about duplicate keys? 00:10:29 ijp: Settings lists are almost like keywords under quasiquotation 00:10:48 *jcowan* wonders why Lisp 1.5 had both a-lists and p-lists 00:11:07 jcowan: I appreciate that, but it just doesn't "feel" as right 00:11:31 *jcowan* nods. 00:11:42 jcowan: if you have duplicates is it an error, or is the first one picked, or impl specific? 00:11:43 Fortunately, keyword args can be done in R5RS alone 00:12:02 hackishly 00:12:13 but yeah 00:13:05 odd, filesadvancedcowan works fine the second time :) 00:13:07 I think, nicely 00:13:13 Yes, I forgot to submit 00:14:15 Duplicates are an error (which means it is impl-specific what happens, but users shouldn't do it) 00:15:32 okay, fair enough 00:16:58 can binary-port-eof? and textual-port-eof? not be reduced to port-eof? 00:17:47 What if a port allows both textual and binary operations? 00:17:57 oh, I see the distinction 00:18:04 hmm 00:18:12 Both of them are trivial 00:19:33 Apparently R6RS does not allow merged textual/binary ports 00:19:47 no, it does not 00:19:49 The other thing we do not have is converting a binary port to textual; you have to make up your mind when you open it. 00:20:49 yeah, though I've never been fully convinced of the "special close" behaviour of transcoded ports 00:21:46 Indeed 00:21:53 It was the best thing I could suggest at the last minute 00:21:56 dnolen [~user@pool-71-183-184-119.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:21:58 other than bikeshedding on the names, this looks pretty reasonable 00:22:36 :) 00:22:42 Nameshedding is out of scope for R7RS-large, because if you don't like the names you can always provide your own library to rename them. 00:22:55 Anyway, thanks. 00:23:36 yeah, but doing it on every import is annoying 00:25:25 is there a read-bytes-n ? 00:35:21 MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:40:03 Yes, very appropriately called read-bytevectr 00:40:04 vector 00:40:21 which does have a read-bytevector! counterpart. These are in the small language already. 00:40:42 ijp: Just create your own library that imports what you want and exports under your preferred names. Should be all the same. 00:40:57 s/what you want/the whole library 00:42:23 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-153-69.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:58 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-153-69.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 00:44:30 jcowan: yes, but I think it would be nice if bytes/bytevector were used consistently throughout 00:44:33 -!- ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:45:01 Personally, I think the name bytevector is stupid (I favored blob) 00:45:24 But I also believe in democracy. 00:46:02 you have procedures like string->bytevector, but then others like read-bytes-to-eof 00:46:25 ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has joined #scheme 00:46:32 And we are stuck with the highly anti-democratic fact that 15% of a list of self-selected randoms can send R7RS-small flying into a mountain. 00:46:50 I'm open to better names than read-*-to-eof 00:47:05 read-string-all and read-bytevector-all are the r6rs names FWIW 00:47:39 s/read/get/ 00:53:02 Right 00:53:20 The trouble with those to my mind is that "all" appears to modify "string"/"bytevector" instead of "port" 00:53:35 as if it was read-whole-string 00:53:46 How about read-maximal-{string,bytevector}? 00:54:37 MontgoDB1 [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:55:49 -!- MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:56:30 -!- Radium_ [~carbon@117.203.1.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:58:12 I was thinking read-remaining-{string,bytevector}, but I dunno 00:58:27 maximal is probably okay 00:59:31 Again, "remaining string" is misleading 00:59:35 I'll go with "maximal" 01:03:05 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-63-71.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:05:51 -!- __Isaac__ [40ec800d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.236.128.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:05:57 -!- RITRedbeard [~RITReadbe@t410.student.rit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:11:49 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-55-233.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:19:04 -!- MontgoDB1 [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:22 MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:21:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:23:29 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@s51476e07.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: yes leaving] 01:27:31 -!- MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:43 MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:29:15 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:32:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@178-164-242-247.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #scheme 01:32:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@178-164-242-247.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 01:32:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 01:33:01 -!- dnolen [~user@pool-71-183-184-119.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:38:55 -!- MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:39:23 MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:48:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:52:12 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-119-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:07:19 RITRedbeard [RITReadbea@t410.student.rit.edu] has joined #scheme 02:23:20 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-52-6.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 02:25:48 Rafase [44c4d47a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.196.212.122] has joined #scheme 02:26:01 Hello everyone 02:30:15 Is there a way in R5RS that could get the values from (read) in the form (* 3 4) and return the result ? 02:37:09 That would be eval. 02:37:43 You need a second environment for standard 'eval'; what it should be depends on what variable bindings you want, but probably (interaction-environment) 02:37:50 s/environment/argument/1 02:38:17 I found this while searching ftp://ftp.cs.utexas.edu/pub/garbage/cs345/schintro-v14/schintro_116.html 02:38:30 Currently trying to see if it would work 02:39:31 I was trying a simple (eval ((list-ref exp 0) (list-ref exp 1) (list-ref exp 2))) 02:39:36 but it didnt work 02:40:22 That's because putting three valid evaluatable forms into a lisp does *not* make it evaluatable. 02:40:46 And you are using one-argument eval, which is not portable. 02:41:20 You need to assemble an object that can be evaluated, and then pass it as well as (interaction-environment) to eval. 02:41:40 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-119-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:43:08 By what you say I think you would be talking about what's on the link 02:43:26 It works but not with the (read) 02:43:34 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-117-55.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:43:42 Should I use a different input method? 02:44:04 I used read because I could play with its elements without evaluating them 02:44:38 I'll show you my code 02:45:11 NotADJ [~TDJACR@unaffiliated/tdjacr] has joined #scheme 02:46:36 http://pastebin.com/Dc1iZxtP 02:46:50 NOt the best but the one form the chanel didnt send the code 02:47:38 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 02:51:50 The program from the first link wont work 02:52:26 jcowan, I have no idea how to do what you just told me. 02:52:58 Well, look: to evaluate (trivially) 3, 4, and 5, you wouldn't write (3 4 5), would you? 02:53:26 Eval's first argument has to look like a piece of Scheme code. How do we say "evaluate three things in a row"? 02:57:29 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-52-6.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:59:24 Well I was thinking about getting the operator and two numbers into somethign that can be evaluated but I get your point. 03:00:00 Just adding them the way I was doing would be the same as ( a b c) 03:03:26 What if I use cons to add the three elements to a new list? 03:03:31 Let me try that 03:04:51 or list 03:07:22 Try reasoning backwards. What result do you want to get? 03:07:40 For example, do you want to evaluate your expressions for effect, or do you want to wind up with a list of their values? 03:08:27 I want the value 03:08:32 -!- NotADJ [~TDJACR@unaffiliated/tdjacr] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:08:35 uuos 03:08:41 -!- wollw [~davidsher@75-101-85-170.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:08:56 Ah, so you have only one expression to evaluate? 03:09:09 so i use (read) and at the end after I do all the checking I need if everythign is as I want it to be then it will display the result 03:09:10 Then why all this ((list-ref exp 0) ...) jazz? 03:09:11 *ijp* smacks offby1 upside the haid 03:09:22 did you see the code? 03:09:25 upside-down the haid, you mean 03:09:26 NotADJ [~TDJACR@unaffiliated/tdjacr] has joined #scheme 03:09:45 wollw [~davidsher@75-101-85-170.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 03:09:51 -!- NotADJ [~TDJACR@unaffiliated/tdjacr] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:09:53 eventually, but things have to proceed in the correct order 03:10:28 My program uses (read) to get input, if the input looks like anything but ( ) then it will display a message with why it wont evaluate it 03:10:35 if it is on that form it should return the value 03:10:50 so (* 3 4) would return 12 03:10:55 NotADJ [~TDJACR@unaffiliated/tdjacr] has joined #scheme 03:11:11 and (* 3 4 5) or (3 4) or anything liek that would return an error message 03:11:30 It is to force prefix and two numbers 03:11:48 kind of pointless outside of learning and practice 03:13:01 WHat would be agood site to pate my code? 03:14:28 I like gist.github.com 03:14:52 -!- NotADJ [~TDJACR@unaffiliated/tdjacr] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:17:30 ok here it is https://gist.github.com/2528662 03:17:39 That's what I have so far 03:18:06 NOw I just need to make it evalue what I input in (read) and return the value 03:18:19 *offby1* drums fingers 03:18:23 gotta love hotel /me whistles innocently-fi 03:18:28 er ... hotel wi-fi 03:18:32 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 03:19:25 Rafase: I _really_ don't think you need to define list-length 03:19:48 other than that it seems reasonable 03:19:55 TDJACR [~TDJACR@unaffiliated/tdjacr] has joined #scheme 03:20:47 also, you're misspelling list-length. 03:20:51 not that it matters. 03:20:58 lol 03:21:28 how I'd do it: (define eqt (read)) 03:21:34 er, one moment 03:21:38 So you say I should just use it directly on the if ? 03:21:44 But it needs recursion 03:21:49 how I'd do it: http://ix.io/2lA 03:22:35 I did not write that section, I was looking info on how to check for the length of a list and found that and decided to implement it. I was hoping for a built in function tho 03:23:17 that looks good if you can use it on R5Rs 03:23:31 I have to do it for R5RS 03:23:46 so aparently most of the built in functions I find dont work 03:23:55 or I just don't know how to work around it yet 03:23:55 you're looking in the wrong place then :) 03:23:59 r5rs has "length" 03:24:12 Are you serious? >.> 03:24:19 yes. 03:24:23 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:24:44 yeah youa re right 03:24:47 just tested it 03:24:52 even less code 03:25:17 By the time it is done it will look so simple that I'll almost feel bad XD 03:25:19 sho nuff 03:25:22 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_sec_6.3.2 03:25:22 http://tinyurl.com/2oovhv 03:25:49 you the R5RS standard is online. your scheme implementation may have implemented optional features. 03:29:34 wait, error was not working before 03:29:39 let me try again 03:31:31 *offby1* waits 03:35:33 Almot, getting an error with an else 03:36:20 the else line shouldn't have a test. 03:37:01 and there should be at most one per cond 03:37:12 yeah error not working 03:37:38 https://gist.github.com/2528662 03:37:39 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-52-6.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 03:37:57 Updated with the modifications you showed 03:38:04 Much cleaner code =] 03:38:48 you've got one "cond" clause buried inside another. 03:38:53 I was building upon previos code as I was learning new things, I started by making the different functions individualy for testing and then putting it together 03:39:03 I suspect this is because you're using a bad editor, or else are misusing a good one. 03:39:04 ah. you want to close each "branch" of the cond 03:39:08 A good editor would have told you that. 03:39:20 before you start the next one. 03:39:21 also you don't need two "cond", one inside the other. 03:39:27 I'm using DrRacket 03:39:29 what jhemann said :) 03:40:05 Rafase: let it do your indentation for you. You should notice that the "not member" is actually inside of the "not (=" clause . 03:40:07 That's a mistake. 03:40:08 The first one was to avoid empty input 03:40:24 I tried with IF but I didnt get it to work well so I had better luck with cond 03:41:02 that's fine; "if" and "cond" are roughly equivalent 03:41:08 notice that I said "roughly" :) 03:41:25 you don't need the keyword 'else' in the second fork of an if statement 03:43:02 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_sec_4.2.1 03:43:03 http://tinyurl.com/7rywsrc 03:43:05 rudybot: (define eqt '(+ 3 2)) 03:43:05 *offby1: your r5rs sandbox is ready 03:43:06 *offby1: Done. 03:43:18 rudybot: (cond ((null? eqt) (display "You must input an operation to calculate.")) (else (cond ((not ( = 3 (length eqt))) (error "The operation must in in format ( number1 number2)")) ((not (member (car eqt) '(+ - * /))) (error "You need to use prefix notation. Ex: (* 3 4)")) (else (display "Time to do the operation then"))))) 03:43:19 *offby1: ; stdout: "Time to do the operation then" 03:43:25 rudybot: eval (cond ((null? eqt) (display "You must input an operation to calculate.")) (else (cond ((not ( = 3 (length eqt))) (error "The operation must in in format ( number1 number2)")) ((not (member (car eqt) '(+ - * /))) (error "You need to use prefix notation. Ex: (* 3 4)")) (else (display "Time to do the operation then"))))) 03:43:25 *offby1: ; stdout: "Time to do the operation then" 03:43:28 *sigh* 03:43:55 rudybot: (set! eqt ()) 03:43:55 *offby1: error: #:1:10: #%app: missing procedure expression; probably originally (), which is an illegal empty application in: (#%app) 03:44:05 rudybot: (set! eqt '(fee fi fo fum)) 03:44:05 *offby1: Done. 03:44:08 rudybot: eval (cond ((null? eqt) (display "You must input an operation to calculate.")) (else (cond ((not ( = 3 (length eqt))) (error "The operation must in in format ( number1 number2)")) ((not (member (car eqt) '(+ - * /))) (error "You need to use prefix notation. Ex: (* 3 4)")) (else (display "Time to do the operation then"))))) 03:44:08 *offby1: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: error in module: 'program 03:44:14 hmm 03:44:15 Should it be like this? https://gist.github.com/2528662 03:44:59 r5rs lacks "error", apparently. 03:45:01 *offby1* rolls eyes 03:45:20 Rafase: it should be whatever makes it work :) 03:45:22 Told you XD 03:45:31 I notice you aren't pasting your unit tests along with your code. 03:45:32 I was using display for that 03:45:33 *offby1* whistles innocently 03:46:10 huh. yeah (require srfi/23) 03:46:36 Updated version: https://gist.github.com/2528662 03:46:49 It works as before but with less code. 03:47:01 I still have to send the previous versions to show my work 03:47:32 Now to figure out how to evaluate the input 03:47:45 I'm confused why you have the nested cond expressions still. 03:49:09 Oh I just want the program to check if the input is empty or not before it does anything with it 03:49:40 so my first though was, make an if stateme if list is empty print error and close, otherwise run the code for the program 03:49:49 Bad way to implement it? 03:50:16 so, the semantics of the cond expression are that it will evaluate each test in order, and upon success, execute the action in that "branch" of the cond. 03:53:36 mmm 03:53:55 it's easier than it sounds. 03:54:17 So to make it simple you are telling me to avoid cond inside cond? 03:54:47 A cond will do each line of code in its scope 03:55:00 So that is why I did it that way 03:55:04 yes, just have one big cond instead of two little ones 03:55:10 I think that if didnt want to work with that 03:55:14 your way works; it's just klunky 03:55:51 got it 03:56:14 http://paste.lisp.org/+2RP7 03:56:23 just change the order and add a not to the null to make it work right? 03:56:40 that's how I understand the logic of your code 03:58:01 consider, though, what happens if you just enter 3. Or (+ 'epsilon 'delta). 03:59:50 -!- helichopter [~austin@ool-4577ba80.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:01:41 Updated it. https://gist.github.com/2528662 04:01:55 I was testing for errors and I found a new way to screw it up 04:02:29 by just putting 8 nothing else I got mcdr: expects argument of type ; given 9 04:02:47 Which I was hoping to avoid 04:03:48 right. because your null? test presumes eqt is a list. 04:04:02 h'bout make that first test (or (not (list? eqt)) (null? eqt)) 04:04:29 That's how you use or? 04:04:32 ugh! 04:04:42 I googled that and I coudnt find it 04:04:48 its pretty much google-proof 04:04:48 I was looking for a symbol tho 04:04:57 so maybe that's why 04:05:23 At the begining I was using cond to check for ech possible case 04:05:28 (not (and (list? eqt) (equal? 3 (length eqt)))) 04:05:34 until I figure out I could just use member 04:06:39 if you're going to be using R5, you'll probably want to read through R5RS at some point. and then read through it again when you think you understand it. 04:07:20 but its my experience that you'll come across a common pattern, and think to yourself "there must be a better way to do this". Often, there is. 04:07:36 The thing is I'm taking a programming language class, teh proff just gave us some simple info or basic commands and that is all I ever knew about scheme 04:07:48 didnt even know about functional programming languages before 04:08:03 I have to do another one in prolog and I have no info on it 04:08:35 The homework itself for scheme was to do infix calculations but I misinterpreted him and I have been working on this instead 04:08:55 he told it it was alright to send in what I have but I want to complete the program so I can learn 04:09:13 Everyone else just googled how to do infix in scheme 04:09:27 I was like >.> you wont learn much by just copying code 04:10:08 https://gist.github.com/2528662 04:10:22 Used the or so I can have references about it in the future 04:10:42 I don't know if you're allowed to use it, but in racket scheme (3 . + . 2) is infix addition 04:11:24 > (3 . + . 4) . read: illegal use of `.' 04:11:30 R5RS... 04:11:34 yeah, sorry. 04:11:57 I guess that's why he told us to use R5RS XD 04:11:59 make it harder 04:16:36 Thank you guys 04:17:04 Now I need to figure out how to make it evaluate the input. 04:17:34 So I was thinking about using list to turn it into a list and see if I can evaluate it that way 04:18:18 you already have a list. 04:18:34 the first thing we tested for was (not (list? eqt)) 04:18:44 so we're guaranteed to have a list. 04:19:07 you should look up eval. are you familiar with eval in perl? 04:22:34 Are you familiar with eval in LISP? ! 04:22:38 Why going to perl? 04:22:54 there's only one line to change to the lisp eval to make it evaluate infix expressions. 04:23:00 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:36 I'm not familiar with perl 04:23:49 Rafase: read the AIM-8 paper. 04:23:50 I used to be familiar with python about two years ago 04:24:29 I'm not doing infix 04:24:32 Im doing prefix 04:25:17 and scheme is the only functional programming language I have ever used and I just started last week with the help of google. 04:26:23 if you're familiar with python's eval, scheme's eval is a similar concept. 04:26:26 _danb_ [~user@124-168-46-173.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 04:27:45 I repeat, I was familiar with it two years ago. 04:29:30 Rafase: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunting-yard_algorithm 04:30:44 Thanks, but I'm doing prefix. 04:31:02 I need to check the eval 04:31:42 I have the idea that if I manage to get it working in prefix, I should be able to get it working in infix and post fix in a similar way 04:32:07 Rafase: ah, oops. 04:32:22 It's alright. I'll read that later. 04:35:06 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-209.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 04:37:39 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-9.html#%_sec_6.5 04:37:39 http://tinyurl.com/79qek2q 04:38:22 I need to learn how to use that bot 04:38:52 But yeah I was checking this (eval '(* 7 3) (scheme-report-environment 5)) but I dont get the scheme report envarioment part 04:40:56 Oh boy is working!!! https://gist.github.com/2528662 04:44:37 The purpose of that is to say that names like * are interpreted as in R5RS. 04:44:40 hence the 5 04:45:22 yeah I figured it was for teh revision of the language 04:45:28 so I tried it and it worked 04:45:36 Eval has to be told what the source of names is 04:45:46 Now, how do I credit the sources? 04:45:56 a link to the log here or what? 04:57:22 If you like 04:59:23 How do I do that? 04:59:32 I know irc saves logs 04:59:38 so I shouldnt have to copy and paste 05:00:27 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-106-213.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:04:06 Find today's log at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/scheme/ . Note that dates are UTC, not your local time 05:05:25 -!- jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has left #scheme 05:06:08 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-143-215.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 05:08:49 oh thanks 05:08:55 I found it using google XD 05:12:54 Now I'll just fix a previous homework. I had to fix something, I did it, tested it many time and it was working. I sent it and months later I realize it is not working the way it should. 05:13:15 I was like 0_o what sorcery is this? 05:18:44 bhrgunatha [~chatzilla@118-170-213-65.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 05:26:14 -!- bhrgunatha [~chatzilla@118-170-213-65.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0a1/20120428030503]] 05:26:54 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-117-55.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 05:27:28 -!- ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:27:38 -!- tupi [~david@177.108.29.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:30:31 -!- MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:00 ssbr [~ssbr@python/site-packages/ssbr] has joined #scheme 05:32:27 MontgoDB [~mmontgome@cpe-66-69-6-73.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:33:53 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 05:39:43 FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has joined #scheme 05:41:01 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r190-135-55-254.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:44:53 -!- FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:45:38 -!- tessier_ [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:51:07 FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:52:57 tupi [~david@177.30.80.38] has joined #scheme 05:54:11 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-174-111.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 05:56:18 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #scheme 05:57:33 -!- FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:58:55 -!- Rafase [44c4d47a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.196.212.122] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:04:23 -!- FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has quit [Quit: Out of this 3D] 06:09:19 FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:18:08 -!- FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:27:36 FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:27:40 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 06:35:14 -!- ysph [~user@68-113-85-213.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:41:50 -!- FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:47:20 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-143-215.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:51:43 leppie [~lolcow@196.209.233.58] has joined #scheme 06:52:32 FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 07:00:49 Would you rather see (alist-ref alist key default =) or (alist-ref alist key = default)? 07:01:04 I thought the former; then I actually needed to define `=' without a default and though, "whoops." 07:01:13 I might pivot on the latter. 07:02:33 -!- FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:13:33 lastwill_reborn [~will@bb1.reu.89-16-12-73.adsl.only.fr] has joined #scheme 07:13:50 FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 07:13:53 -!- FACEFOX-DOT-COM [~gfdffdfd@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:16:49 -!- lastwill [~will@bb1.reu.89-16-6-234.adsl.only.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:17:41 Yeah; there's precedent for the latter in Chicken. 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