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fastest type of array? 11:22:50 right now using srfi-4 11:23:03 got a test program which times them to see which is best? 11:23:54 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-4/srfi-4.html 11:23:55 also 11:24:02 more important question is, how do I copy an array? 11:24:05 like, clone it 11:24:27 it's possible to do (TAGvector->list (list->TAGvector v)) but may not be best 11:31:50 tomodo: you will have to make a new vector of the same size as the original and set its contents with vector-ref + vector-set!, iirc srfi4 doesn't specify a primitive for copying 11:32:10 oh :( 11:32:23 TAGvector-ref/set!, that is 11:32:24 maybe chicken-scheme has a special fast way to copy it 11:32:34 maybe 11:32:51 I don't have to use srfi-4 I can change at any time 11:32:56 so I'll try to get it working then speed up 11:33:23 but I choose srfi-4 because I though it would be fast 11:34:08 tomodo: srfi-66 specifies u8vector-copy http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-66/srfi-66.html 11:34:13 but thats only for u8vector 11:34:37 oh this looks good! 11:34:47 u8 is the fastest type? 11:35:07 my vectors only need to hold 3 different symbols (empty black and white) 11:35:12 tomodo: I don't think there is such a thing as the "fastest type" 11:35:14 tomodo: ahhh 11:35:17 so I used 0,1,2 11:35:35 I'm making a board dgame AI (hopefully) 11:37:14 tomodo: it all depends on the implementation, I just wouldn't worry about that default for now and go with records (define-record or whatever your implementation provides) 11:37:56 it also has the potential of being the fastest option, in chibi scheme for example they are faster than vectors because record operations only need to check the type, but not the length on each access 11:37:56 ok 11:37:59 thanks! 11:42:57 kuribas [~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 11:45:15 Intensity [EbMJBwL9Ml@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #scheme 11:55:11 daveo [~daveo@97.73.171.234] has joined #scheme 12:01:43 -!- noam [~noam@46.120.51.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:58 noam [~noam@46.120.51.147] has joined #scheme 12:10:53 masm [~masm@bl17-206-188.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 12:11:45 sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 12:13:15 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29:43 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 12:37:26 rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1220-12.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 12:48:48 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:57:09 how do I do a 2D loop in foof-loop? x,y from 0 to 19 12:57:09 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #scheme 12:57:38 is it just one loop inside another 12:59:05 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@dublin.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 13:01:09 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:02:02 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 13:08:22 sharkbird 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implementations). 14:01:21 ijp` [~user@host109-158-109-208.range109-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 14:02:55 -!- ijp [~user@host109-156-159-238.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:04:48 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-155-216.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 14:10:00 bhrgunatha [~chatzilla@114-41-157-139.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 14:10:20 -!- ijp` [~user@host109-158-109-208.range109-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 14:11:49 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:13:42 -!- snizzo [~quassel@iglu.cc.uniud.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:29 -!- fds [~fds@fsf/member/fds] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:22:22 I profiled my program but I cant figure out how to make it faster 14:25:14 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Cf4HkuNj 14:25:31 this is chicken-profile, ANy idea what functions I should be improving? 14:26:00 tomodo: the best way to make any program faster is to do less work 14:26:25 for example, can you avoid calling board-evaluate so many times? 14:27:01 I don't think so 14:27:22 let me count how many times it happens per turn 14:29:14 it doesn't look like I can reduce it 14:29:40 -!- bhrgunatha [~chatzilla@114-41-157-139.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 13.0a1/20120223031236]] 14:32:02 If you can half the time spent on board-ref, you would only earn 12 seconds. If you change the algorithm, you could make it ten or hundred times faster. 14:32:29 Use O(n) or O(log(n)) algorithms, instead of O(n^2) or O(n) algorithms! 14:32:47 I was going to do alpha-beta search to find good moves for this board game 14:33:04 If your program is not finished, why do you bother with optimizing it? 14:33:09 right now all I'm doing is listing legal moves and picking the one with the highest evaluation 14:33:27 after about 20 turns it gets really slow 14:33:37 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #scheme 14:33:38 Buy a faster computer. Use the GPU to explore moves in parallel. 14:34:05 there's no way I can add something like search to this, it would become orders of magnitude slower 14:34:54 If you can spread board-evaluate over 500 GPU processors, it'd take elapsed only 1.7 s instead of 67.5 s. 14:37:47 CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 14:40:58 but I want to make my code run faster on my computer 14:41:14 CPU 14:42:24 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 14:42:40 -!- dme [~dme@host213-120-144-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:26 use a different algorithm, with lesser asymptotic complexity! 14:46:17 I don't think you've understood the problem 14:46:44 you click to move, and then it calculates a move for itself 14:47:07 but after a few turns it takes longer and longer to move, and it gets too slow 14:48:29 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.39.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:51:14 In usual games, the tree width doesn't increase significantly after a few turns. It shouldn't get slower. You're probably doing something wrong. 14:51:26 Or it might be just that game. 14:58:01 virl [~virl__@85-127-158-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #scheme 14:58:39 -!- djcb [djcb@nat/nokia/x-zggxvjepazofuoiu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:56 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-114-75.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:07:48 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:08:42 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 15:09:25 -!- CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:13:35 X-Scale` [email@89.180.157.137] has joined #scheme 15:21:30 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:22:53 rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1218-97.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 15:22:59 dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has joined #scheme 15:28:03 -!- rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1218-97.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 15:30:08 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-5f77b98a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:33:53 pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d06669a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 15:36:27 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-38-111.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 15:36:50 dous_ [~dous@cm229.sigma67.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #scheme 15:37:22 dme [~dme@hotblack-desiato.hh.sledj.net] has joined #scheme 15:39:58 -!- dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:44:04 GoKhlaYeh [~GoKhlaYeh@117.31.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 15:45:24 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 15:45:34 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 11.0/20120215222917]] 15:54:37 djcb [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 15:57:25 cswords [~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:59:56 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:00:08 -!- cswords_ [~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:04:19 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:08:52 sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #scheme 16:15:15 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 16:16:08 does anyojne want to look at my chicken scheme gomoku AI code? I want to make it run faster but it's probably hard to figure out it I might just give up 16:16:42 tomodo: are you testing via csi or csc? 16:16:51 tomodo: csc -On 16:16:59 csc 16:17:04 with optimisation? 16:17:29 I didn#t have any O flags, I'll try with -O3 16:18:00 snizzo [~quassel@iglu.cc.uniud.it] has joined #scheme 16:19:39 yeah, it is still too slow 16:31:45 rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1198-178.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 16:35:00 phao [phao@189.98.60.62] has joined #scheme 16:40:40 -!- rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1198-178.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 16:48:22 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:52:17 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 16:54:10 rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1198-178.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 16:57:57 -!- snizzo [~quassel@iglu.cc.uniud.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:18 fds_ [~fds@tickle.compsoc.man.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 17:00:13 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:19 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:02:47 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-48-246-74.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 17:13:14 -!- X-Scale` [email@89.180.157.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:20 X-Scale [email@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has joined #scheme 17:15:20 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:49 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-253-84.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:16:54 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-17-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 17:17:17 humasect [~humasect@d24-235-167-67.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #scheme 17:18:54 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 17:24:36 -!- mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:28:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:39:41 -!- rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1198-178.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 17:39:47 -!- humasect [~humasect@d24-235-167-67.home1.cgocable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:28 a nyone wrote game playing AI in scheme? 17:41:36 I can't figure out how to make it work fast 17:41:37 tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:41:49 got any advice 17:41:59 dont know how to make it work :( 17:54:58 -!- noam [~noam@46.120.51.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:00 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:55:13 noam [~noam@46.120.51.147] has joined #scheme 17:55:45 tcleval [~funnyguy@187.58.93.6] has joined #scheme 17:57:48 I am getting a list back but I want a vector, anyone? http://paste.lisp.org/display/127941 17:58:21 tcleval: caddr 17:58:27 oops cadddr 17:59:36 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 18:04:03 yeah.. tomodo there was a missin car on the beginning of the procedure 18:16:17 phao_ [~phao@177.115.72.24] has joined #scheme 18:16:27 -!- phao [phao@189.98.60.62] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:16:35 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:16:53 -!- phao_ [~phao@177.115.72.24] has left #scheme 18:18:38 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 18:22:53 shaunxcode [~chatzilla@c-98-202-35-176.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:26:35 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 18:29:21 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 18:34:26 snizzo [~quassel@host141-139-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 18:41:29 mdmkolbe [~adamsmd@2610:10:20:214:4637:e6ff:fe5c:ba11] has joined #scheme 18:41:51 What is the right paper to cite for quasiquote and unquote in Scheme? 18:42:03 Paper? 18:42:09 Surely just refer to R5 or R6 18:45:13 LeoNerd: well they go back at least as far back as R3 (I'm still checking to see if they're older) 18:45:46 don't they predate scheme? 18:45:48 They go back a long way, yeah. but I've never seen anyone cite anything older than R5 18:45:57 As far as Scheme goes yeah 18:46:05 k 18:46:46 hey 18:46:56 have any of you read r7rs-draft-6? 18:49:46 firstly, r6rs:(library A (define B C)) r7rs:(define-library A (begin (define B C))) <- are these equivalent? 18:50:05 rostayob [~rostayob@141.228.109.101] has joined #scheme 18:50:28 secondly, is define forbidden in define-library now? 18:50:35 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:56:35 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-114-75.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 18:56:48 It looks like Quine coined the term ("Quasiquotation in Lisp" by Alan Bawden) in the 1940s, then the Conniver langauge adopted it in the 1970s and it entered Lisp shortly afterwards. 19:02:03 R1RS appears to be the first use of quasi in Scheme 19:03:06 bagratte [~chatzilla@109.52.188.145] has joined #scheme 19:03:25 Yeah, they predate Scheme by enough decades, I'm sure the name was a part of Scheme since long before anyone decided to write an official spec for it, being R1 19:04:19 LeoNerd: It wasn't in R0 and it appears that Lisp got it slightly *after* Scheme. 19:04:33 homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-165-128.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:06:44 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-17-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:06:48 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-94.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:07:40 hi, I am beginning to develop a small image processing tool in scheme, so I can write my own algorithms or filters on the fly. The problem is I am using vectors to store the pixels, but I cant decide how should the pixels data structures look like, vectors? lists? 19:08:00 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 19:08:34 performance could be a problem, so vectors inside vectors is a good idea? the big vector to hold the matrix o 'vector pixels' 19:08:58 as each pixel needs at least 3 numbers (RGB) or maybe four (RGBA) 19:09:27 tcleval 19:09:31 i would use a structure 19:09:42 if your scheme implementation has them 19:09:49 and if it doesn't, i'd get one that did 19:09:52 samth: I am using gambit-c 19:10:03 probably that has some form of structure 19:10:19 ijp [~user@host31-53-17-64.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 19:10:26 samth: Why structure instead of R6 record? 19:10:32 samth: would it be faster than simple uniform vectors? 19:10:43 tcleval: maybe, maybe not 19:10:46 I prefer to stick with r5.. 19:10:53 mdmkolbe: records, structures, same thing 19:14:27 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:19:10 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:19:13 hello 19:19:15 schemers 19:21:53 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:22:01 -!- bagratte [~chatzilla@109.52.188.145] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 19:22:10 nsuxt [~user@194.24.138.6] has joined #scheme 19:22:11 tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:23:22 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:25:16 if i evaluate (cons 1 2), will 1 be evaluated first, or 2? 19:25:53 it could be either way 19:26:02 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 19:26:09 nsuxt: what prompts this question? 19:26:39 mdmkolbe: i was just curious about this 19:26:47 tomodo: thanks 19:26:55 it is not defined? 19:28:02 it is stated that any permutation is acceptable 19:28:13 in terms of the order of evaluation of arguments 19:28:31 in gambit, it is 1, but i was not sure 19:34:54 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:35:51 -!- nsuxt [~user@194.24.138.6] has left #scheme 19:38:20 watarum [~watarum@220-208-93-123.koalanet.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 19:39:05 -!- watarum [~watarum@220-208-93-123.koalanet.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:05 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:44:16 -!- otakutom_ [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:33 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 19:51:04 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 20:00:39 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:03:16 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 20:05:57 choas [~lars@p4FDC4A7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:08:19 Were you guys aware that some smart-ass just implemented macros in PHP? 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22:22:07 chicken scheme 22:22:14 no 22:22:27 I don't want to program in C 22:22:35 C's where it's at, though. 22:22:40 I asked #haskell and he said haskell is 40x slower 22:23:45 -!- tcleval [~funnyguy@187.58.93.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:15 -!- PiRSquared is now known as [insertnickhere] 22:27:14 -!- [insertnickhere] [~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17] has quit [Quit: for(\;\;){}] 22:30:36 how do I go from 0,1,2,3, -> "a","b","c" and back? 22:30:38 I need two functions 22:32:42 (- (char->integer char) (char->integer #\a)) 22:32:59 they already exist 22:33:01 check the doc 22:33:29 tomodo: http://wiki.call-cc.org/man/4/The%20R5RS%20standard#characters 22:34:05 -!- chromaticwt [~user@71-222-151-95.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:35:14 tuubow_ [~adityavit@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #scheme 22:47:14 rostayob [~rostayob@host86-157-214-192.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 22:49:44 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:55:06 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.229] has joined #scheme 22:58:42 -!- tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:17 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:34 kpal [~kpal@5ad6612e.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 23:13:42 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:13:57 -!- choas [~lars@p4FDC4A7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:14:30 jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 23:20:46 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25:17 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:30:29 -!- sharkbird [~sharkbird@67-220-6-139.usiwireless.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:39:09 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 23:49:22 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:50:35 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:33 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:59:02 qu1j0t3: Ruthless trolling followed by conciliation; I like your jib's cut. (Googling "jib's cut", incidentally, landed me here: ).