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has joined #scheme 03:59:01 Hi, what exactly is a literal? Can you say that the class of all interned objects are literals and all literals are within the class of interned objects? 04:00:36 jcowan [~John@cpe-66-108-19-185.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:00:55 a literal is an s-expression whose value is itself 04:01:18 numbers, characters, strings, booleans, etc 04:01:25 Or at any rate is EQV? to itself. 04:01:46 well, that doesn't necessarily work for strings 04:01:55 Mmm, right. 04:02:39 WG1 may make vectors self-evaluating, given that about half of all R5RS-or-earlier implementations already do. 04:03:11 schemenewb: interning is an orthogonal concept 04:04:39 so string literals are characters, number literals are numbers, function literals are for example lambda? 04:04:49 string literals are strings 04:04:56 character literals are characters 04:05:08 functions are not literal 04:05:33 symbols, and sexpressions within 'quote' are 04:06:09 see section 4.1.2 of the r5rs 04:06:18 What about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_literals ? Ok I'll look at that. 04:07:17 -!- CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:07:55 -!- FireFly [~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:09:35 -!- cky [~cky@fsf/member/cky] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:09:50 cky [~cky@fsf/member/cky] has joined #scheme 04:10:35 -!- porco [~porco@123.114.38.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:11:01 FireFly [~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #scheme 04:11:06 schemenewb: is that related to scheme? 04:11:52 Its about lambda and whether it is considered a literal in scheme 04:12:09 and in particular if such a thing as a function literal even exists 04:12:26 porco [~porco@123.114.32.244] has joined #scheme 04:12:32 -!- drdo [~drdo@drdo.eu] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 04:13:13 drdo [~drdo@drdo.eu] has joined #scheme 04:13:37 I wouldn't use the term literal to describe a function, but I guess others might 04:14:16 though in any case, it doesn't meet the definition as prescribed by the standard 04:14:23 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 04:15:04 ijp: I see. thank you :) 04:15:16 since function objects do not have an external representation 04:18:45 ijp: > + # 04:20:34 yes, but you cannot write # and have read reconstruct the appropriate function 04:21:17 touche 04:21:53 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-16-175.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:21:57 section 3.3 covers the concept of external representations 04:22:47 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-16-175.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 04:23:19 "An external representation may be written in a program to obtain the corresponding object. External representations can also be used for input and output. The procedure read parses external representations, and the procedure write generates them." 04:24:08 so to take the example of lambda expressions, (lambda (x) x) is not an external representation of the id function, buf of a three-element list. 04:24:40 Goron [~LC@unaffiliated/goron] has joined #scheme 04:25:03 although, it will of course evaluate to the identity function. 04:27:28 -!- Goron [~LC@unaffiliated/goron] has left #scheme 04:28:25 so we consider + part of the library and therefore it represents an identifier bound to an expression, which will then be evaluated at runtime? 04:30:37 "Scheme's syntax has the property that any sequence of characters that is an expression is also the external representation of some object" So any expression is considered a external representation of ... ? 04:32:46 schemenewb: For example. (lambda (x) x) is an external representation of a list of 3 elements. 04:32:59 That list's elements are: the symbol "lambda", the list (x), and the symbol "x". 04:33:13 levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:33:31 the meaning of + is determined by the environment in which it is evaluated. In (scheme-report-environment 5) this is the addition function, but in another environment it could mean something completely different 04:35:19 rudybot: (require rnrs/eval-6) 04:35:19 ijp: error: procedure get-sandbox-by-name: expects 2 arguments plus optional arguments with keywords #:force/new?, #:lang, and #:timeout-seconds, given 4: '#hash() "ijp" 'racket '#&#f 04:35:27 rudybot: init racket 04:35:27 ijp: error: procedure get-sandbox-by-name: expects 2 arguments plus optional arguments with keywords #:force/new?, #:lang, and #:timeout-seconds, given 4: '#hash() "ijp" 'racket #t 04:35:58 well, anyway 04:36:19 (eval '(+ 1 2) (scheme-report-environment 5)) would evaluate to 3, as expected 04:36:32 but in a different environment, not so 04:36:54 (eval '(+ 1 2) (environment '(rename (rnrs) (list +) (+ list)))) would evaluate to the list '(1 2) 04:37:30 ok, so (lambda (x) x) is the external representation of a list of 3 elements, but it is an expression that evaluates to a function, that behaves like the identitiy function. i understand the every procedure's behavior is bound to the environment it was defined in. literals are expressions that evaluate to themselves. 04:38:01 *ijp* gives schemenewb a cookie 04:38:14 nice 04:38:35 thanks ijp and cky 04:41:43 now, interning means, that a symbols external representations all point to the same location? 04:43:05 schemenewb: When a symbol is read in, it is interned. Thus, two symbols with the same value are guaranteed to be the same object. 04:46:35 When I hit enter in the interactions view, is that like calling eval on the piece of code written in that particular line? Or to quote ijp its (eval ' (environment after run, else default)) 04:47:22 It reads your line, then evals the read-in expression. 04:47:22 yes, that is why we use the term "read-eval-print loop" 04:51:55 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-48-234-192.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:53:21 The difference between read is quote is that quote simply makes the given argument a literal wheres read evaluates its external representation and converts it to the standard? external representation?( clearly not true as calling (read) and then entering 'foo or ''foo return different results). What does x need to be in (read x) to mimic the behavior of (read) + enter in the interactive mode? 04:53:41 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:55:56 -!- porco [~porco@123.114.32.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:57:28 porco [~porco@123.114.40.54] has joined #scheme 04:57:36 read and quote operate at different levels 04:58:29 so they are doing the same, but at different levels? 04:58:37 read returns an s-expression from a port. 04:58:57 quote prevents evaluation 04:59:28 and all you need to get an s expression is a quote? 04:59:44 Also, quote is part of Scheme's syntax, whereas read is a procedure that when invoked returns a value (and has the side effect of consuming characters from a port). 05:00:13 so read uses quote? 05:01:28 No. 05:01:45 rudybot: (call-with-input-string "(lambda (x) x)" read) 05:01:45 cky: error: procedure get-sandbox-by-name: expects 2 arguments plus optional arguments with keywords #:force/new?, #:lang, and #:timeout-seconds, given 4: '#hash() "cky" 'racket '#&#f 05:01:55 rudybot: init 05:01:55 cky: error: procedure get-sandbox-by-name: expects 2 arguments plus optional arguments with keywords #:force/new?, #:lang, and #:timeout-seconds, given 4: '#hash() "cky" 'racket #t 05:02:12 *cky* swears at offby1. 05:05:09 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-48-225-158.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 05:05:10 say you are at the repl, and you type in (list x (quote y)) 05:05:52 mhm? 05:05:55 now, you're program doesn't get a nice s-expression direct from you, but instead merely a sequence of characters 05:06:16 'read' converts that into a list that your program can understand 05:06:23 yes 05:06:34 read parses a string into a tree 05:06:36 at this point we have the list (list 'list 'x (list 'quote 'y)) 05:06:47 (sorry if this seems like confusing levels, but that's homoiconicity) 05:06:56 well 05:07:08 it's easier to say "At this point we have '(list x (quote y))" 05:07:11 since that's what you do have :) 05:07:26 now we get to the evaluation stage 05:08:02 so we look up 'list in the environment and get a list procedure #, and we look up the value of 'x in the environment and get # 05:08:23 but here is where quote comes in, it prevents you from looking any further into it's subexpression 05:08:50 well 05:08:51 so we have (# # 'y) 05:08:59 notionally (eval (quote x)) -> x 05:09:14 and then we apply the list function and you get (# y) 05:09:20 but sure, what you've said so far is correct 05:09:50 schemenewb: do you understand all this? 05:10:29 yes, both 'read' and 'quote' produce s expressions, but how they do it and when are different 05:12:11 in particular, read is gets its input from the outside world, whereas quote's is fixed to be it's subexpression 05:12:35 Quote doesn't "produce" an S-expression. It's simply a special form (or, in some implementations, a macro) that returns the given thingy as a datum. 05:13:03 xwl_ [user@nat/nokia/x-dsetbaynjyialuhf] has joined #scheme 05:13:12 thanks you three, i'll read through it try to summarize my understanding to make sure I actually get it. 05:13:22 *and 05:14:32 *ijp* notes his fingers still aren't agreeing with standard english usage of it's and its 05:14:46 Why is it only on irc that I make that mistake? 05:15:12 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 05:15:14 Are you saying you use its/it's flawlessly in email? :-) 05:15:46 I believe I do 05:15:59 whether or not my email archives will corroborate that, I do not know 05:16:21 it may just be a question that I only notice it on irc 05:16:51 s/that I only notice/of only noticing/ 05:17:06 To me, its and it's are totally unrelated words. So my in-brain compile will never miscompile into the wrong word, in this case. 05:17:15 *compiler 05:17:40 Similarly with whose vs who's. 05:18:36 *ijp* blames punctuation overloading 05:19:27 YokYok [~david@vmailbox.org] has joined #scheme 05:19:32 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:22:01 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-71-182-238-206.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:22:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.148.247] has joined #scheme 05:22:50 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.148.247] has quit [Changing host] 05:22:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 05:23:05 So read parses text and based on matching opening and closing parathesis creates a syntax tree. It then pareses the external representations found in the nodes and turns them into expressions. eval takes that tree and executes the expressions found in the nodes. If quote is called, it introduces itself as a new root to the given syntax tree. 05:23:55 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25:25 schemenewb: your steps 1 and 2 are the same. 05:25:54 -!- nego [~nego@c-67-163-82-36.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:26:35 So what do you call that tree? 05:27:19 the parse tree is s-expressions 05:30:25 Rephrased version: Read returns an s-expression. Then every node is checked for external representations of objects currently in the environment. If every node can be parsed into an expression, we continue. Eval now executes each expression starting with the deepest leafs. 05:31:18 you still have the redundancy. 05:31:34 Read returns an s-expression. Eval executes that expression 05:31:59 loosely, external representation is the text 05:32:34 i guess im searching for the word, that you use to describe (list 'list 'x (list 'quote 'y)) 05:32:40 and there is no need for the reader to have any knowledge of the environment 05:33:01 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 05:33:07 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@176.222.148.247] has joined #scheme 05:33:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:33:07 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 05:33:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.148.247] has quit [Changing host] 05:33:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 05:33:28 ok I get it know. Let me phrase it one more time. 05:33:59 kniu [~kniu@pool-74-98-37-124.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 05:36:36 Read returns an s-expression. Eval looks up the object behind the external representation of each node in the s-expression. If all these objects can be found, eval executes all expressions. 05:37:08 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-213.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:38:02 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:38:51 it's still not quite right. 05:39:13 by the time it's read, "external representation" is gone. 05:40:53 hm I guess I'll have to read more r5rs. Thanks for the help! 05:41:54 djcb`` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 05:43:29 -!- djcb` [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:43:48 ok taking off. good night everyone! 05:43:54 -!- schemenewb [63e70dd8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.231.13.216] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:44:53 -!- xwl_ [user@nat/nokia/x-dsetbaynjyialuhf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:13 I suspect schemenewb gets it, but is slightly confused by the terminology. 05:45:16 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-196-38.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 05:51:15 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-74-98-37-124.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:52:17 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 05:57:41 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 06:00:45 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 06:01:05 -!- dan64 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[~dme@host213-120-144-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #scheme 10:57:40 mitnk [~chatzilla@114.243.230.71] has joined #scheme 10:58:55 rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1192-201.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 10:59:59 Hi, Anyone can tell me how to fix this error: http://codepad.org/gVVk6yQQ 11:02:15 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:08 mitnk: log of a negative number returns an imaginary number. 11:05:24 Damn, I was literally just typing that! ;-) 11:05:41 fds: Was that your imagination, or for real? ;) 11:05:43 mitnk: and log of a number less than the base returns a negative number. 11:06:11 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:12 Moreover, log of a complex number returns a complex number. 11:06:27 the error is detected before that, because of abs. 11:06:29 pjb: Oh! thank you! 11:06:39 e^z == (cos th + i sin th) e^r where (r,th) are the polar coordinates of z 11:06:56 Yes, I realized the problem after I post this. ;) 11:07:03 The specific cases of th=0 and th=pi yield the positive or negative real results 11:07:10 Thanks guys! 11:07:15 11:09:58 masm [~masm@bl17-195-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 11:13:19 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 11:23:58 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:51:36 woonie [~woonie@spnp55156.spnp.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 11:51:48 snizzo [~quassel@host38-8-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 12:00:55 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has left #scheme 12:04:20 -!- rostayob [~rostayob@dyn1192-201.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:08:31 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:12:44 Skola [~bas@5352A3FB.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #scheme 12:17:15 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit 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'Scheme) => #f 15:34:14 ;p (perhaps that was a bit harsh ;p) 15:34:17 -!- confab [~win7@c-71-193-9-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:22 -!- kpal [~kpal@194.182.142.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:08 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 15:42:18 lolcow [~lolcow@196-215-4-254.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 15:42:29 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-254.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:02 -!- lolcow is now known as leppie 15:44:59 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@129.10.228.186] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:46:15 LiuKang_ [~LiuKang@120.209.180.196] has joined #scheme 15:47:23 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:47:30 (list + 2 3) => '(# 1 2) why not + in (apply + '(1 2))be changed 15:48:55 -!- LiuKang [~LiuKang@120.209.180.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:49:57 ? 15:51:01 if + is calculated it should ge (apply # '(1 2)) 15:51:26 -!- LiuKang_ [~LiuKang@120.209.180.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:58 -!- snizzo_ [~quassel@host203-234-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:28 rudybot! 15:56:43 rudybot: eval (eval (list + 1 2)) 15:56:43 leppie: error: procedure get-sandbox-by-name: expects 2 arguments plus optional arguments with keywords #:force/new?, #:lang, and #:timeout-seconds, given 4: '#hash() "leppie" 'racket '#&#f 15:57:00 :( 15:57:13 rudybot: (+ 1 1) 15:57:13 leppie: error: procedure get-sandbox-by-name: expects 2 arguments plus optional arguments with keywords #:force/new?, #:lang, and #:timeout-seconds, given 4: '#hash() "leppie" 'racket '#&#f 15:58:28 I'm really not sure I'm following the question 15:58:35 ayberk [~ayberk@88.241.135.97] has joined #scheme 15:58:36 rudybot: (apply + (list 1 2)) 15:58:36 LeoNerd: error: procedure get-sandbox-by-name: expects 2 arguments plus optional arguments with keywords #:force/new?, #:lang, and #:timeout-seconds, given 4: '#hash() "LeoNerd" 'racket '#&#f 15:58:57 rudybot: eval (apply + (list 1 2)) 15:58:57 LeoNerd: error: procedure get-sandbox-by-name: expects 2 arguments plus optional arguments with keywords #:force/new?, #:lang, and #:timeout-seconds, given 4: '#hash() "LeoNerd" 'racket '#&#f 15:59:01 ... hrmmmmm 15:59:11 it's dead jim 15:59:17 Ah :( 16:00:57 and (eval (list + 1 2)) is not even technically right.... 16:01:25 many schemes support passing non-literal data to eval 16:01:51 GoKhlaYeh [~GoKhlaYeh@135.51.68.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 16:02:05 in IronScheme, I support most, but notably excluding procedures 16:10:36 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.3.40] has joined #scheme 16:13:21 _schulte_ [~eschulte@67-0-105-114.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 16:14:27 jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-121.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:15:33 porco [~porco@125.33.75.217] has joined #scheme 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If you can identify the specific problem more people will be able to help you. 19:31:20 http://pastebin.com/XbpJcPrG 19:32:06 it seems to be related to docs 19:32:15 is there any way I can disable docs? 19:35:59 i give up 19:36:07 adu: that should have been fixed, what version are you running? 19:36:53 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:38:57 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-136-23.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:39:33 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:40:51 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41:03 snizzo [~quassel@host203-234-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 19:41:10 -!- tonyg [~tonyg@173-203-78-111.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:41:15 -!- zmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:41:28 -!- homie 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