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01:16:42 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/20120210_001.jpg 01:16:54 but this doesn't actually work 01:21:55 rudybot: eval (define (cons a b) (lambda (pick) (cond ((= pick 1) a) ((= pick 2) b)))) 01:21:55 ijp: Done. 01:22:03 rudybot: eval (define (car x) (x 1)) 01:22:03 ijp: Done. 01:22:12 rudybot: eval (define (cdr x) (x 2)) 01:22:13 ijp: Done. 01:22:23 rudybot: eval (cons 3 4) 01:22:23 ijp: ; Value: # 01:22:28 rudybot: eval (car (cons 3 4)) 01:22:28 ijp: ; Value: 3 01:22:32 rudybot: eval (cdr (cons 3 4)) 01:22:32 ijp: ; Value: 4 01:22:37 seems to work fine here 01:22:44 but how? what IS (x 2)? 01:23:05 when you evaluate (cons 3 4) it returns a procedure 01:23:10 true 01:23:12 so you call that procedure with 2 01:23:21 but where is he evaluating it? he's calling car, not cons 01:23:37 yea wait, inside of it there's cons 01:23:58 SO CAR IS LAMBDA!! 01:24:08 and CDR is lambda also! 01:24:14 that x is the "pair" which is a procedure 01:24:47 and pick is (cons 3 4) 01:26:18 no, the procedure is the pair 01:26:32 pick is how you tell whether or not to return the car or the cdr 01:26:44 I mean substitution-wise 01:27:22 (cons 3 4) => (lambda (pick) (cond ((= pick 1) 3) ((= pick 2) 4))) 01:27:55 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 01:28:15 then (car (cons 3 4)) => (car (lambda (pick) (cond ((= pick 1) 3) ((= pick 2) 4)))) => ((lambda (pick) (cond ((= pick 1) 3) ((= pick 2) 4))) 1) => (cond ((= 1 1) 3) ((= 1 2) 4)) => 3 01:30:08 yea, that's it 01:30:39 and because we defined that whenever I give you car x, apply 1 to it (which pick receives at that point), we applied it to 1 in the third step 01:31:41 it's alright to be this fickle at the beginning, no? 01:33:03 when beginning, you should stick to the model (here substitution) as faithfully as possible, until you build an intuition for it 01:33:42 IMO anyway 01:33:54 it's very clear now 01:34:09 I was expecting that car's role is right from the beginning 01:34:11 but that's not true 01:34:22 the pair is supposed to sit in the procedure before car is applied to it 01:34:33 because this is applicative-order evaluation 01:34:51 yes 01:35:34 working with other languages can really mangle the way you think about things 01:36:07 (did you have any particular other language(s) in mind ?) 01:36:36 I usually use Java 01:36:53 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:37:01 never needed to think in this way 01:37:08 Java is (more or less) applicative-order, as well 01:37:20 but you don't have to ever worry about that 01:37:28 it isn't integral to understanding what the code is doing 01:37:44 why not ? 01:38:00 because you lull yourself into a stupor 01:38:04 well in my case at least 01:38:32 it becomes dull 01:39:11 I'm not a very good programmer though, so even with Java I was not exceptional 01:39:34 joast [~rick@98.145.91.18] has joined #scheme 01:39:34 i hope you're having fun with SICP 01:39:42 yea definitely 01:41:18 rudybot: eval (define cond (lambda (a b) (lambda (c) (c a b)))) 01:41:19 ski: your sandbox is ready 01:41:19 ski: Done. 01:41:35 er, that should be `cons' 01:41:46 rudybot: eval (define cons cond) 01:41:47 ski: Done. 01:42:10 rudybot: eval (define car (lambda (pair) (pair (lambda (a b) a)))) 01:42:10 ski: Done. 01:42:13 tht makes 3 numbers 01:42:15 rudybot: eval (define cdr (lambda (pair) (pair (lambda (a b) b)))) 01:42:15 ski: Done. 01:42:29 rudybot: eval (car (cond 3 4)) 01:42:29 ski: ; Value: 3 01:42:33 rudybot: eval (cdr (cond 3 4)) 01:42:33 ski: ; Value: 4 01:42:42 Sicp : can you follow that ^ ? 01:42:52 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:44:56 the pairs are created dynamically here? 01:45:10 -!- kvda [~kvda@124-169-23-5.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: -___-] 01:45:11 just like in the earlier example by ijp above, yes 01:45:31 `pair' above is just a local variable name, i could just as well have said `x' 01:45:40 just work out the substitutions mechanically, and it'll all make sense 01:46:19 (car (cons 3 4)) => (car (lambda (pair) (pair 3 4))) => ((lambda (pair) (pair 3 4)) (lambda (x y) x)) => ((lambda (x y) x) 3 4) => 3 01:47:00 you didn't start evaluating cons here 01:47:16 yea, same 01:47:22 i can do it again, in smaller steps, if you like 01:47:37 ah so it was of course done 01:48:34 well, I could have started by evaluating car, but church-rosser says it doesn't matter IIRC 01:50:14 it makes perfect sense, only with the way you traced it, you didn't go into cons at all 01:50:19 supposed that it's already done 01:50:26 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:50:31 sure I did, first substitution 01:50:40 (cons 3 4) => (lambda (pair) (pair 3 4)) 01:50:47 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:50:56 oh but it said "a b" up there 01:51:01 ijp : merged the expand-variable-name and beta-reduce steps, at two places 01:51:10 this is the kind of trapped feeling im talking about :o 01:51:20 i'll do it in more detail, ok ? 01:51:28 (car (cons 3 4)) 01:51:29 oh right 01:51:41 so I was right? 01:51:42 ((lambda (pair) (pair (lambda (a b) a))) ((lambda (a b) (lambda (c) (c a b))) 3 4)) 01:51:45 about having skipped ahead? 01:51:56 sorry, I just thought it was easier to think of a procedure as a rewrite rule 01:52:04 ((lambda (pair) (pair (lambda (a b) a))) (lambda (c) (c 3 4))) 01:52:29 ((lambda (c) (c 3 4)) (lambda (a b) a)) 01:52:45 ((lambda (a b) a) 3 4) 01:52:49 3 01:53:16 the first step just replaces `car' and `cons' with their definiens 01:53:57 next the `lambda'-expression from `cons' was applied, so we beta-reduce that -- and get a value that won't reduce more 01:54:11 next the `lambda'-expression from `car' was applied, so we beta-reduce that 01:54:47 then we get an application of the inner `lambda' (`(lambda (c) ..c..)'), so beta-reduce again 01:54:53 Sicp: yes, I was skipping the part where I replace 'cons' with its definition, and went straight to the reduction 01:54:55 finally, a last beta-reduction 01:55:26 Sicp: it keeps things conciser, but it's slightly unfaithful to the semantics of scheme 01:55:51 typically, it's less bothersome to do as ijp did, and treat `(define (cons a b) ..a..b..)' directly as a rewrite rule that can be applied in `(cons 3 4)' to rewrite it to `..3..4..' 01:56:30 (note that `(define (cons a b) ..a..b..)' is syntactic sugar for the full `(define cons (lambda (a b) ..a..b..))') 01:57:12 I'll trace it now 01:57:26 confab [~confab@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has joined #scheme 02:02:55 -!- snizzo [~quassel@host7-8-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:03:42 is pair a function like abs, cdr and car? 02:03:47 something predefined? 02:03:58 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 02:05:05 -!- ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:06:08 nothing is happening inside that code.. 02:06:30 ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has joined #scheme 02:08:04 `pair' is a function, yes 02:08:25 ok 02:08:56 in `(car (cons 3 4))', `pair' in the `(lambda (pair) (pair (lambda (a b) a)))' part will get bound to the (dynamically created) function `(lambda (c) (c 3 4))' 02:09:07 note that this function was created by `cons' 02:09:49 well, not exactly "nothing" is happening in the code :) 02:10:05 xwl_ [user@nat/nokia/x-smmaepsijuwguorz] has joined #scheme 02:10:20 values (importantly including functions) get shuffled/juggled around 02:10:24 this is sorcery 02:10:30 hehe 02:10:42 -!- Saeren_ is now known as Saeren 02:10:47 here's another fun example for you ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) 02:11:53 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:12:06 can you guess what happens? 02:12:28 is it a fork bomb? 02:12:51 Hal said that they don't have anything to do with one another 02:12:54 it's perfectly fine 02:13:15 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 02:13:19 oh it closes bracket before it 02:13:33 or... 02:13:53 if you've ever used the in Java, then this (the `cons',`car',`cdr' version i showed above) is remniscent of that 02:14:07 well, we have a lambda in the head position 02:14:32 so we substitute (lambda (x) (x x)) the for the argument 02:14:48 and then, we're back to ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) 02:14:52 hmm, it seems to loop 02:14:55 but not fork 02:14:56 indeed 02:15:01 it's an infinite loop 02:15:05 so it doesn't reduce at all 02:15:14 an infinite loop, yes 02:15:18 what would a repl say about it? 02:15:22 (well, it does reduce, but to itself) 02:15:36 brendyn : it would probably just hang until you interrupted it 02:15:38 well, I was using reduce in the sense of 'become smaller' 02:15:46 it takes all my cpu 02:16:01 *ski* was using "reduce" in the technical sense of "beta-reduce" 02:16:12 kvda [~kvda@124-169-23-5.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 02:16:21 well yea the first impression says that there is something wrong 02:16:24 I thought there was a trick to it 02:16:34 if you wrote the equivalent in Java, it would probably run out of stack 02:16:56 is there a lesson in it? 02:17:10 this is like middle-clicking on New Tab 02:17:11 haha 02:18:05 brendyn : the "Y combinator" is hidden here. using that one can implement recursive functions without recursively using a name to define the value bound to that name 02:19:35 -!- ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 02:20:26 rudybot: eval ((lambda (self n) (self self n)) (lambda (self n) (if (= n 0) 0 (+ n (self self (- n 1))))) 5) 02:20:27 ski: ; Value: 15 02:20:42 rudybot: eval ((lambda (self n) (self self n)) (lambda (self n) (if (= n 0) `0 `(+ n ,(self self (- n 1))))) 5) 02:20:43 ski: ; Value: (+ n (+ n (+ n (+ n (+ n 0))))) 02:20:48 rudybot: eval ((lambda (self n) (self self n)) (lambda (self n) (if (= n 0) `0 `(+ ,n ,(self self (- n 1))))) 5) 02:20:48 ski: ; Value: (+ 5 (+ 4 (+ 3 (+ 2 (+ 1 0))))) 02:20:57 Lol. 02:21:39 (Re forgetting to unquote the n.) 02:21:48 *ski* grins 02:22:06 rudybot: eval (((lambda (p) ((lambda (f) (f f)) (lambda (f) (p (lambda args (apply (f f) args)))))) (lambda (factorial) (lambda (n) (if (zero? n) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1))))))) 10) 02:22:06 ijp: ; Value: 3628800 02:22:24 I like ski's uncurried version better. 02:23:01 The curried version makes me think someone's trying to make Scheme become Haskell. :-) 02:23:59 I know, that sentiment probably makes me a heathen in the FP world. ;-) 02:24:14 Haskell... 02:24:28 I've said it before, but I prefer the shift/reset version of Y 02:24:39 :-) 02:24:50 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 02:25:40 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:25:57 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 02:26:58 ok I've understood ski's first one 02:27:20 this is far more intricate than I had imagines 02:27:23 -s +d 02:29:12 I think we can conclude that the path to simplicity is paved with complexity 02:29:51 have you seen the students in the videos? 02:29:59 some faces are just extremely blank 02:30:03 Hahahahaha. 02:30:11 they make me feel better 02:30:18 rudybot: eval ((lambda (f n) ((lambda (self n) (self self n)) (lambda (self n) (f (lambda (n) (self self n)) n)) n)) (lambda (triangular n) (if (= n 0) `0 `(+ ,n ,(triangular (- n 1))))) 5) 02:30:18 ski: ; Value: (+ 5 (+ 4 (+ 3 (+ 2 (+ 1 0))))) 02:30:46 rudybot: eval (require racket/control) 02:30:46 ijp: Done. 02:30:56 phao_ [phao@187.91.111.98] has joined #scheme 02:30:58 rudybot: eval (define (y f) (reset (let ((c (shift y (y y)))) (f (lambda (r) ((c c) r)))))) 02:30:58 ijp: Done. 02:31:11 -!- phao [phao@177.115.24.251] has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:31:13 -!- phao_ is now known as phao 02:31:13 rudybot: eval (define f (lambda (factorial) (lambda (n) (if (zero? n) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1))))))) 02:31:13 ijp: Done. 02:31:34 rudybot: eval (build-list 10 (lambda (i) (cons i ((y f) i)))) 02:31:34 ijp: ; Value: (# # # # # # # # # #) 02:31:55 *ijp* has made a mistake somewhere 02:32:18 rudybot: (define ackerman-y (lambda (f n) ((lambda (self n) (self self n)) (lambda (self n) (f (lambda (n) (self self n)) n)) n))) 02:32:18 ski: Done. 02:32:29 rudybot: eval (y (lambda (triangular n) (if (= n 0) `0 `(+ ,n ,(triangular (- n 1))))) 5) 02:32:30 ski: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: y in module: 'program 02:32:38 rudybot: eval (ackerman-y (lambda (triangular n) (if (= n 0) `0 `(+ ,n ,(triangular (- n 1))))) 5) 02:32:38 ski: ; Value: (+ 5 (+ 4 (+ 3 (+ 2 (+ 1 0))))) 02:33:25 rudybot: eval ((y f) 10) 02:33:25 ijp: ; Value: 3628800 02:34:06 what is this self? 02:35:08 *ski* points to himself 02:35:15 *ski* points to phao 02:35:29 *qu1j0t3* points to the mooooon 02:35:59 *ijp* directs phao towards a philosophy course 02:36:07 rudybot: (define curried-ackerman-y (lambda (f) ((lambda (self) (self self)) (lambda (self) (f (lambda (n) ((self self) n))))))) 02:36:08 ski: Done. 02:36:36 rudybot: eval ((curried-ackerman-y (lambda (triangular n) (if (= n 0) `0 `(+ ,n ,(triangular (- n 1)))))) 5) 02:36:37 ski: error: #: expects 2 arguments, given 1: # 02:36:41 hah! 02:37:16 rudybot: eval ((curried-ackerman-y (lambda (triangular) (lambda (n) (if (= n 0) `0 `(+ ,n ,(triangular (- n 1))))))) 5) 02:37:17 ski: ; Value: (+ 5 (+ 4 (+ 3 (+ 2 (+ 1 0))))) 02:38:08 (cky : note that the curried fixed-point combinator is simpler :) 02:38:29 -!- phao [phao@187.91.111.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:38:53 rudybot: init lazy 02:38:54 ijp: your lazy sandbox is ready 02:39:07 rudybot: (define (y f) (f (y f))) 02:39:07 ijp: Done. 02:39:33 rudybot: init lazy 02:39:34 ski: your lazy sandbox is ready 02:39:51 rudybot: eval ((y (lambda (n) (if (zero? n) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1)))))) 10) 02:39:53 ijp: error: evaluator: terminated (out-of-memory) 02:39:57 nice 02:40:58 rudybot: eval ((y (lambda (factorial) (lambda (n) (if (zero? n) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1))))))) 10) 02:40:58 ijp: your lazy sandbox is ready 02:40:58 ijp: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: y in module: 'program 02:41:06 rudybot: give ijp (lambda (f) ((lambda (self) (self self)) (lambda (self) (f (self self))))) 02:41:07 ijp: ski has given you a value, say "rudybot: eval (GRAB)" to get it (case sensitive) 02:41:20 phao [phao@187.91.131.12] has joined #scheme 02:41:32 rudybot: eval (define y (GRAB)) 02:41:33 ijp: Done. 02:41:37 rudybot: eval ((y (lambda (factorial) (lambda (n) (if (zero? n) 1 (* n (factorial (- n 1))))))) 10) 02:41:37 ijp: error: procedure application: expected procedure, given: #; arguments were: 10 02:42:06 anyway, enough playing with rudybot for now 02:42:18 you had a good run 02:42:36 maybe next season 02:46:18 rudybot: how was my batting average? 02:46:18 ijp: batting a thousand today 02:46:23 oh yeah 02:47:46 -!- tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:51:16 mitnk [~chatzilla@123.120.154.85] has joined #scheme 02:51:54 is it really anonymous recursion if you have to give Y a name in order to do it? 02:52:46 you don't have to 02:52:57 (and yes, it's still anonymous recursion) 02:53:00 that out of convenience rather than necessity 02:53:00 well the usual haskell example does 02:53:14 Y = f(Y(f)) 02:53:18 (however the `(define (y f) (f (y f)))' one is cheating) 02:53:20 -!- confab [~confab@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:53:25 that's what i was referring to 02:53:39 Hi, I am new of using Racket. I wonder that how to run a source file in Terminal with outputs. I tried `racket -f foo.scm` but it doesn't have outputs like DrRacket does. 02:54:38 turbofail : "Y Combinator in Haskell", roconnor, 02:54:52 mitnk: that's what -f is supposed to do 02:55:03 from --help, -f , --load : Like -e '(load "")' without printing 02:55:30 just run 'racket foo.scm' 02:55:47 i think i'll stick with the scheme way of doing it 02:57:12 the big idea behind Y isn't so much that it's anonymous, but that recursion is expressible purely in terms of functions and application 02:57:34 ijp: When run 'racket foo.scm' there is an error: default-load-handler: expected a `module' declaration for `foo', found: something else in: # 02:57:42 sure, but the Y(f) = f(Y(f)) doesn't do that 02:58:19 Are there any docs I should start with? I cannot find such a thing at racket-lang.org 02:58:30 mitnk: you are probably missing the '#lang racket' declaration at the top 03:00:04 ijp: Yeah, it works with #lang, Thank you so much!!! 03:01:18 no problem 03:02:25 jcowan [~John@cpe-66-108-19-185.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:03:37 turbofail: indeed, as ski pointed out, it's cheating 03:04:19 Y just tends to be used as a shorthand for any fixed point combinator 03:07:40 -!- mitnk [~chatzilla@123.120.154.85] has left #scheme 03:15:24 Anonymity is definitely not the big point of Y, it's the lack of magical self-reference (which is achieved via names and a magical `define' in scheme, but the magic is the important point). 03:16:05 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:16:06 Similar to the common misconception that "first-class functions" == "anonymous functions". 03:16:24 And anyway, it should be called Z. 03:19:51 eli: while functions can certainly be anonymous but not first-class, do you consider them first class if they can't be created anonymously? 03:20:10 I don't think the original definition requires that, but I can't quite remember 03:21:01 -!- phao [phao@187.91.131.12] has quit [Quit: Not Here] 03:21:01 ijp: I'm referring to the fact that an anonymous function constructor (the usual lambda) is not required to have first class functions. 03:21:19 tuubow_ [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:21:38 A fact that many people, especially in modern recently-adapted-a-lambda languages, are unaware of. 03:21:44 I would have settled for no :) 03:21:54 For example, Python had first-class functions, even before it had lambda. 03:22:40 ijp: I don't think that I'd answer no to your question, but I didn't fillow it completely. 03:23:04 cky: (python didn't always have a lambda?) 03:23:31 eli: Huh, lemme check my facts. I thought it was a later addition to the language. 03:23:33 I was asking if the misconception was anonmyous functions == first class functions, or that first class functions require anonymity 03:24:09 Um... Both are true? 03:24:24 Sorry, the first is true, and the second is false. 03:24:30 So, yes. "No". 03:25:42 While I don't know if it has ever happened in practice, it would be possible to create a language in which anonymous functions were permitted but they were not first class 03:26:09 I don't see how. 03:26:29 for example, a C extended with a lambda, but that couldn't return them from functions 03:27:00 eli: Huh. Now I don't know. The earliest Python version that had documentation on python.org is 1.4, and it did have lambda. 03:27:15 *that python.org has documentation for 03:27:19 *ski* wonders whether Pre-Scheme is an example 03:27:52 cky: I'm really not big on python history, I just don't remember a point in time when I knew about python but not about its `lambda' form. 03:28:10 *nods* 03:28:18 (But that's kind of obvious, since a pre-lambda python would be less noteworthy to my biased mind...) 03:28:21 (or s/C/Pascal/) 03:28:58 A lambda-free python would have first-class functions, but not anonymous ones. 03:29:36 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 03:30:04 I don't think that that qualifies as a first-order language -- just a normal language with a broken mechanism that prevents function values from going across function scopes. Or something. 03:30:56 -!- masm [~masm@bl18-51-197.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:31:29 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has left #scheme 03:31:47 hi gents, playing with the *parser stuff, is there some equivalent of `not-string` a la `not-char`? 03:35:28 I see what my problem was earlier; build-list isn't continuation safe 03:45:55 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:50:30 -!- hypercube32 [~hypercube@246.111.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:53:50 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-185-148.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 03:56:49 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-38-111.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:58:01 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-185-148.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:58:09 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 03:58:42 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-185-148.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 03:58:57 -!- turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:00:32 -!- Sicp [~ongoing@unaffiliated/odaym] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:01:15 Anyone know of a cite for the original definition of "first-class"? 04:02:21 cataska [~cataska@114-42-62-17.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 04:02:41 It seems to have been invented as a term by Christopher Strachey, but I can't find the definition 04:03:13 ijb: Quoth the OED: 1789 A. Young Jrnl. 17 Aug. in Trav. France (1792) i. 165 In the first class of French familiesthey undoubtedly are. 04:03:50 I don't know who A. Young might be. 04:04:07 er, s/ijb/ijp 04:04:18 :) 04:05:26 hmm "Christopher StracheyUnderstanding Programming Languages" gives me 'and procedures used as both parameters and results. (Strachey called this the principle of functions as first-class citizens' 04:06:20 but that just seems to be the authors recollection 04:07:41 -!- CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:08:00 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-185-148.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:08:05 phao [phao@187.91.131.12] has joined #scheme 04:08:07 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-185-148.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 04:11:32 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@2001:5c0:1000:b::f87] has joined #scheme 04:12:17 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-185-148.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:14:45 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-185-148.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 04:16:49 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:20:17 -!- dnolen [~user@p72-0-226-202-static.acedsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:21:21 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-185-148.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:25:38 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.226] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:27:28 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.226] has joined #scheme 04:30:03 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 04:36:27 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:44:21 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #scheme 04:53:57 -!- miql [~miql@ip98-165-228-225.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:54:26 miql [~miql@ip98-165-228-225.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 05:00:11 ijp: Heh, looking at the wikipedia entry for First-class function: Some authors require support for anonymous functions as well. 05:00:30 (And from there the road to jesus is surprisingly short.) 05:03:07 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:03:19 Or to Damascus. 05:05:01 (I'm talking about the homepage of the the author credited with that requirement, which immediately starts playing some interview about churches and jesuses.) 05:07:43 Ah. 05:09:25 A link in #clojure just got me to read Olin's T history again. What ever happened to the T revival project? 05:10:56 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:11:28 -!- stchang [~stchang@syrah.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:12:37 It needs reviving. 05:12:56 Apparently. 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closed the connection] 10:05:22 ineiros__ [~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 10:06:18 -!- ineiros [~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:31 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:09:56 chromaticwt [~user@71-222-135-103.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 10:29:34 -!- homie``` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-165.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:30:12 I'm trying to decide whether or not I should learn scheme or python first. 10:31:57 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-165.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 10:31:59 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:33:58 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 10:35:07 -!- chromaticwt [~user@71-222-135-103.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:37:02 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #scheme 10:45:44 chromaticwt [~user@71-222-135-103.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 10:45:49 back 10:46:23 chromaticwt, honestly, it shoulnd't matter that much 10:46:29 both are good languages 10:46:47 I think you should pick python if you're more interested in writing useful programas 10:47:02 but pick scheme if you're interested in interesting ideas 10:47:09 not that scheme is not useful or that python is boring 10:47:17 Learning Scheme will help you a lot learn a lot of other languages. 10:47:23 python is just a bit more full of stuff 10:47:26 A lot of Python is very Pythonic and not as portable to other languages. 10:47:30 it's just that materials covering python tend to be more focused on writing applications 10:47:41 E.g. it's frankly-bizarre scoping model, lack of true variables, etc.. 10:47:45 and materials on scheme are more focused on not so practical stuff 10:47:51 which would be better for learning oop? 10:47:58 Neither. 10:48:04 There are nicer/better OOish languages. 10:48:31 chromaticwt, I'd say scheme, even though it won't look like it while you're learning it. 10:49:48 ok 10:50:08 python seems to support it natively 10:50:22 Hah 10:50:25 in scheme, you'll see that you can use language features to implement the idea 10:50:25 of OOP 10:50:32 imo python is quite natural in some kinds of OOP 10:50:42 I'm currently doing some mit python video tutorials, to get an overview, but when I'm done with that I think I'm going to switch to scheme, and then go back to python. 10:50:46 Try looking at some other languages, then come back and see if you still think that of Python 10:50:48 simply scheme then sicp 10:51:09 E.g. If Python did OO properly, would you have to put self. all the time? 10:51:40 most of the python tutorials I read only seem to teach the syntax and things like that, not computer science concepts. 10:51:53 LeoNerd, your "problem" is the way by which you access the "current" object? 10:52:04 phao: My problem is that it isn't implicit 10:52:10 And... ? 10:52:29 Sounds silly. It's annoying, true 10:52:32 I don't think it being implicit or explicit tells much about if it is "proper" OO or not 10:52:37 But I'd not judge based on that. 10:52:42 'this' or 'self' should be relatively rare in natively-OO languages. 10:52:48 and... honestly 10:52:49 doesn't sicp present oop well? 10:52:58 that point has nothing to do with OOP 10:53:06 chromaticwt, it teaches the idea 10:53:20 imo python has more proper OO than C++, for example, despite that the latter has an implicit this-> in many places 10:53:34 chromaticwt, it shows how you could implement it too, but it's quite a manually way of doing it. However, it's very cool. 10:54:06 well as soon as I'm done with these mit lectures, I'll switch to scheme for a while. 10:54:09 cool 10:55:00 chromaticwt, again, so that you know, you will probably if you go to python end up writing more useful applications in less time. 10:55:15 ok 10:56:20 -!- lolcow [~lolcow@196-215-4-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:46 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:58:09 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 10:59:05 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 10:59:13 what kinds of production applications commonly use scheme? 10:59:43 good question 11:00:24 scheme isn't much used in practice, but I hear a lot of the web applications running on webserver of the FSF (free software foundation) runs scheme 11:01:19 You can write "real world" programs in scheme... it's just not done. You'd probably have to get a lot implementation-dependent too. 11:01:26 why are you personally interested in scheme, if I may ask? 11:01:57 best language that I am aware of 11:02:01 Sicp [~ongoing@212.36.207.142] has joined #scheme 11:02:01 -!- Sicp [~ongoing@212.36.207.142] has quit [Changing host] 11:02:01 Sicp [~ongoing@unaffiliated/odaym] has joined #scheme 11:02:28 I hear gnucash uses scheme for something, but no idea how significant usage it is 11:02:38 I know lilypond does. 11:02:49 You gotta use it... read about it. 11:02:51 guile is used in some programs as an extension language. 11:02:57 ok. 11:03:04 then you will find out why people here use it. 11:04:21 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-4-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 11:04:49 yeah 11:05:33 In many cases, a good way to write programs is to write its core and some stuff in a language, and put an interpreter of anohter language 11:05:42 also gnome's aisleriot solitaire game is written in scheme, for guile 11:05:47 normally a supposely better language for doing the kind of stuff you wan 11:06:09 and program in that language, using the core functions that you implemented in the other language 11:06:30 Warcraft (the game) has this kind of thing, it uses LUA though. 11:06:36 Emacs is like that, it uses elisp 11:06:44 scheme, afaik, is used more like that 11:06:51 than as the main language 11:07:01 rhythmbox also is like that, but it uses python 11:07:12 as a prototype language. 11:07:29 idk how that is called, but if that's the name, then sure. 11:07:40 my goal with scheme would be to learn computer science concepts. 11:07:54 that's what I'm focusing on right now. 11:08:03 You should check out SICP then, 100% sure. 11:08:15 The Little Schemer, and The Seasoned Schemer are amazing books too. 11:08:27 cool 11:08:31 I also found simply scheme. 11:08:42 Hmm 11:08:45 that's what I was going to read first, then sicp 11:08:57 I started reading that one. But never got after the first pages. 11:08:58 then I'll check out little and seasoned. :) 11:10:44 sicp is cool beause it has the videos 11:11:14 snorble_ [~snorble@c193-14-18-68.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 11:12:56 also I read some of the sicp lecture notes, which were really enlightening. 11:13:11 they were a.i. focused 11:13:37 with the interactive interpreter it's like teaching the computer how to think. 11:15:42 ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 11:26:02 -!- phao [phao@187.91.131.12] has quit [Quit: Not Here] 11:27:39 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29:26 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 11:30:27 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 11:34:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:35:45 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 11:40:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: 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252 seconds] 12:36:13 namoamitabuddha: if you cannot understand that from the contents of the book, you are in the wrong place. 12:36:27 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 12:36:32 rly: ? 12:37:04 rly: I read the book step by step. 12:37:10 namoamitabuddha: it is one of the simplests procedures that you might find in that book. 12:37:44 bredyn: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/lecture-notes/ 12:37:45 http://tinyurl.com/63g89nf 12:38:13 -!- teiresia1 is now known as teiresias 12:38:23 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@99-177-241-137.lightspeed.hdvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:38:23 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #scheme 12:38:37 brendyn: 12:38:41 ^^^^^ 12:38:57 namoamitabuddha: what are don't you understand about it? 12:39:16 rly: ijp: As the wiki said, expanding into (((double (lambda (x) (double (double x)))) inc) 5). expand (double x), we have (lambda (x) (x (x x))) 12:39:44 (lambda (x) (x (x x))) <= wrong 12:39:59 The (x x) is self-application 12:40:24 While that too is possible with some exotic functions, you are not there yet. 12:40:58 but how to expand (double x)? 12:41:08 rename x first, or you'll only confuse yourself 12:41:29 thanks 12:41:55 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:42:40 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 12:42:44 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.37.14] has joined #scheme 12:43:58 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:46:25 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 12:48:59 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 12:49:23 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:50 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 12:51:00 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