00:07:36 snizzo [~quassel@host32-1-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 00:13:26 mario-goulart: Yeah; I felt like it was time for a similar pruning myself. 00:13:26 -!- Blkt [~user@82.84.135.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:55 mario-goulart: I try that every year or so. I always wind up with 100K of dotfiles. 00:17:56 srsly 00:19:10 :-) 00:20:22 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 00:20:31 I'm trying to keep my .emacs with less than 100LOC. 00:22:20 they say RMS has almost nothing in his .emacs, except for putting 'disabled 'nil on some things 00:25:03 I'd like to do that. 00:25:51 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-180-218.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 00:26:37 Not having dependencies on external addons is a good start. 00:27:21 -!- albert-sicp [~albert-si@71.156.44.252] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:35 Well, RMS has the advantage of setting the defaults to his liking. 00:29:49 Or, being able to, at least. :-P 00:30:04 :-) 00:32:25 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has joined #scheme 00:35:45 -!- rostayob [~rostayob@02d99acf.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 00:40:13 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:42:58 -!- GoKhlaYeh [~GoKhlaYeh@135.51.68.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:44:07 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:47 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-180-218.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:50:44 -!- dzhus [~sphinx@95-25-98-202.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:02 -!- tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:55:21 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:55:26 -!- snizzo [~quassel@host32-1-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:07 -!- pranq_ [pranq@bbis.us] has quit [Changing host] 00:56:07 pranq_ [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 00:56:59 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@85-127-93-0.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:13 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has joined #scheme 01:00:13 dnolen [~user@ppp-70-249-145-33.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #scheme 01:00:23 nalaginrut [~nalaginru@14.153.222.219] has joined #scheme 01:00:24 -!- pranq_ is now known as pranq 01:08:41 Myk001 [~Myk@76.213.205.226] has joined #scheme 01:11:34 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:11:54 albert-sicp [~albert-si@adsl-71-156-44-252.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:15:16 jrslepak [~jrslepak@173-161-171-177-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 01:19:22 -!- hypnocat [~hypnocat@unaffiliated/hypnocat] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:23:41 ASau` [~user@95-26-139-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 01:23:49 mario-goulart: That may be true; on the other hand, ESK will handily install a list of packages on startup (if they don't already exist). 01:24:47 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:27:45 -!- ASau [~user@95-24-54-209.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:28:32 tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:35:49 -!- sousousou [~bcarmer@host-72-174-54-175.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 01:36:22 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.194.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:37:34 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:37:42 -!- albert-sicp [~albert-si@adsl-71-156-44-252.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:07 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:24 -!- dnolen [~user@ppp-70-249-145-33.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:19:24 -!- confab_ is now known as confab 02:26:14 albert-sicp [~albert-si@adsl-71-156-44-252.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:26:51 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@173-161-171-177-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:28:00 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:44 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:39:13 -!- lonstein [lonstein@ohno.mrbill.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:44:24 offby1: I have very lean .emacs too. 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:P 20:36:39 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 20:37:01 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:37:12 -!- hypnocat [~hypnocat@unaffiliated/hypnocat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:37:22 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:39:35 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@64.134.70.42] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:46:32 (let me mention http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~jshutt/kernel.html ) 20:54:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-205.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:54 -!- fgudin [~fgudin@odin.sdf-eu.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:56:35 taylanub: theorically (eval (cons 'macro list) (interaction-environment)) but it might well noto work. 20:56:57 In CL it would be safer. 21:00:01 -!- miql_ [62a5e4e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.165.228.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:01:28 pjb: thanks, that works. 21:04:09 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[~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:47:25 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has joined #scheme 21:55:50 <_schulte_> any advice on why the following throws an error? 21:55:54 <_schulte_> (define-syntax c (syntax-rules () ((c f ...) (lambda x (apply f (append ... x)))))) 21:57:27 what error 21:57:41 oh wait, (append ... x) ? 21:58:03 what are you trying to do? 21:58:15 <_schulte_> "missing ellipsis in form" followed by the second half of my syntax rule 21:58:21 <_schulte_> write a macro for explicit currying 21:58:39 -!- __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.58.11] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:58:42 can you show a use case 21:58:46 <_schulte_> which would be usable in something like (map (c + 2) '(1 2 3)) => (3 4 5) 21:58:54 the error means you need an ellipses immediately after 'f' 21:59:03 so you can have (f ...) or ((apply f x) ...) 21:59:13 but somehow the ... must come immediately after an s-expression that contains `'f 21:59:40 <_schulte_> weird, thanks for clarifying what seems to me like an odd rule 22:00:17 You could make the pattern (c f arg ...) or something. 22:00:20 its sort of strange to me that you think its wierd, but then again I know how the projection algorithm works 22:00:24 _schulte_: Try this: 22:00:41 I think fizzie is right 22:00:51 rudybot: (define-syntax c (syntax-rules () ((c f args ...) (lambda x (apply f args ... x))))) 22:00:52 cky: your sandbox is ready 22:00:53 cky: Done. 22:01:05 rudybot: (define foo (c + 1 2 3)) 22:01:05 cky: Done. 22:01:11 rudybot: (c 42 10) 22:01:11 cky: ; Value: # 22:01:16 lol 22:01:21 rudybot: (foo 42 10) 22:01:21 cky: ; Value: 58 22:01:30 <_schulte_> cky: great thanks 22:02:21 -!- choas [~lars@p4FDC54E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:02:31 ((lambda (x) (eval '(+ x 5) (interaction-environment))) 5) ; does not work, how else would i do that ? 22:03:07 taylanub: Of course that won't work; (interaction-environment) does not capture lexical variables. 22:03:15 taylanub: Guile 2.0.4 will have a local 22:03:20 *local-eval 22:03:21 <_schulte_> cky: any reason you included "args" instead of just (define-syntax c (syntax-rules () ((c f ...) (lambda x (apply f ... x)))))? 22:03:34 cky: no other way (especially standard) ? 22:03:39 taylanub: No. 22:03:50 _schulte_: Because the function is not optional. 22:03:59 _schulte_: the ellipsis mean "zero or more of the preceding" 22:04:28 What taylanub said. 22:05:01 taylanub: Guile 2.0.4 will have a local-eval that can access lexical variables, but that's not something Scheme in general supports, and I don't expect any other implementation to have it. 22:05:33 taylanub: The only reason why Guile 2.0.4 even has it is that Guile 1.8 used to have something similar, and some people started relying on that functionality. 22:05:38 mit scheme might 22:05:42 wingo: Ah. 22:05:53 scm has it too 22:06:53 <_schulte_> oh, thanks, I was thinking of ... to mean "and any subsequent args" rather than in referense to the proceeding... and everything is illuminated 22:07:13 ok, any other way to apply a macro to a programatically built list (without eval) ? 22:07:57 ugh, maybe i should just use a function and make the macro a wrapper for that 22:08:08 that'll be a lot cleaner 22:09:09 taylanub: Here's the deal: macro expansion happens at a different phase to runtime, so it can't access anything "programmatically-built". 22:09:21 oh wait, then i can't transform the list to a cond that easily :( 22:10:45 -!- gsathya [~gsathya@unaffiliated/gsathya] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:11:19 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:45 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@64.134.70.42] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:14:36 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:17:12 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 22:17:12 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:17:12 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 22:19:08 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:21:08 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has joined #scheme 22:23:04 metaprogramming isn't all that easy after all 22:24:01 taylanub: the arrow of time. 22:24:09 taylanub: macro expansion time is before run-time. 22:24:28 taylanub: until you invent a time machine, there's no way to process at macro expansion time data generated at run time. 22:24:44 Unless you happen to have an eval function at run-time... 22:24:44 hehe. i understand 22:25:14 but eval can't use local variables, sadly 22:25:21 Yes. 22:25:29 But you can pass local variables to eval: 22:25:42 (let ((a 1)) (eval `(let ((a ,a)) (+ a 1)))) 22:25:45 that doesn't fit my goal 22:26:04 You can also pass closures to modify local variables. 22:26:15 oh .. 22:26:48 (let ((a 1)) (eval `(let ((a ,a)) (+ a 1)) (interaction-environment))) 22:27:23 i really need the whole local environment 22:27:46 The whole local environment is known at compilation time, so you can pass it. 22:29:10 basically the user passes a list of name-value pairs, and the values are assigned to those names, then a lambda is created that takes a "message" as an argument, and is returned. 22:30:13 so you get an object. now i want to implement sub-objects (prototype based OOP). and the simplest way is to have the object create a new object (with extra variables) in its own scope 22:30:35 See for example https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/1fb04edd587dc8df (It's in CL, some adapting needed for scheme...) 22:31:21 taylanub: notice that the local environment belongs to the interpreter. Not to the user program! 22:31:36 taylanub: you must keep the user program environment separate from the interpreter environment. 22:33:04 couldn't make the relation to my problem .. 22:34:57 well the problem would be solved if i could turn (f '((foo bar) (baz qux)) ...) into (let ((foo bar) (baz qux)) ...) without using a macro 22:35:15 (i might've simplified that too much ..) 22:35:51 taylanub: at run-time, you may translate user code into scheme forms, and use eval to translate the forms into executable procedures. 22:36:39 taylanub: (define definitions '()) (set! definitions (cons (cons (read) (eval `(lambda () ,(read)))) definitions)) 22:36:47 name (+ 1 2) 22:36:56 oh, wait, when i said "user" i meant like "user of the library" 22:37:44 this isn't about user-interaction as in REPL. my bad at bad choice of words 22:37:49 (define (make-function name expression) (set! definitions (cons (cons name (eval `(lambda () ,expression))) definitions))) 22:38:20 We don't try to change the environment at run time, no need to access any local variable, no creation of global variable. 22:38:39 eval + (interaction-environment) 22:39:36 Notice that expression is something that you have translated. eg. There's no direct scheme function call in there, since the user will want to call functions that are in the definition alist. 22:39:49 -!- mister_m [~mattosaur@cpe-69-76-191-159.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:16 (translate '(example 1 2)) --> ((cdr (assoc 'example definitions)) 1 2) 22:48:41 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 22:52:32 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:53:54 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 22:54:16 -!- X-Scale is now known as Guest23083 22:55:36 so given a list of pairs ((name value) ...), how can i bind each name to the corresponding value ? 22:55:56 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:55:56 eval 22:56:49 jonrafkind: that kills existing bindings 22:57:15 so you only want to bind if an existing binding doesn't already exist? 22:57:53 jonrafkind: i mean e.g. ((lambda (x) (eval '(+ x 5) (interaction-environment))) 5) does not work 22:58:11 taylanub: I just shown you! 22:58:25 (setq definitions (cons (cons name value) definitions)) 22:58:44 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:05 pjb: in scheme ? 22:59:13 Yes: (set! definitions (cons (cons name value) definitions)) 23:00:06 pjb: that doesn't create variables 23:00:12 Yes it does. 23:00:24 It creates a user language variable. 23:00:31 You must not mix user language with scheme. 23:00:36 2336 taylanub | oh, wait, when i said "user" i meant like "user of the library" 23:00:39 2337 taylanub | this isn't about user-interaction as in REPL. my bad at bad choice of words 23:00:57 It creates a user of the library language variable. 23:01:06 You must not mix user of the library language with scheme. 23:01:09 my head is full of f*** 23:01:32 -!- Guest23083 is now known as X-Scale 23:01:42 pjb: i really do want to bind variables as if i'd have done (define foo bar) 23:01:58 You really should not do that. 23:02:15 .. it's the whole point of what i'm trying to do 23:02:48 If your program contains a (define important-data ), and the user of the library defines in his language a variable named important-data, it would break all your program. 23:03:28 In scheme it's not really possible. You may try (eval `(define ,name ,value) (interaction-environment)) but it might not work. 23:04:16 pjb: the function/macro that takes the list of name-value pairs will give back a lambda that has these names bound to the values in its scope, and does its stuff 23:04:24 the external scope won't be affected 23:04:52 So you don't want to do define. 23:06:02 i kind of assumed ((lambda (x) ...) foo) being equivalent to ((lambda () (define x foo) ...)). it's not really, is it ? 23:06:37 I tend to shy away from local defines. I only use toplevel defines. 23:11:47 well yeah, originally i had it being a macro that uses the name-value pairs with let, but problem is that i can't 1) give back a macro as a lambda result so i can ((object 'giveMacro) arguments to macro), 2) "call" the macro with data passed to the object 23:12:14 taylanub: just write a function to generate the lambda form, and use eval to compile it. 23:13:08 (define (generate) `(lambda () ,@(map (lambda (binding) (list (car binding) (list 'quote (cdr binding)))) definitions))) 23:13:12 will that really help ? the compiled lambda still has the same duty 23:13:19 (eval (generate) (interaction-environment)) 23:13:49 rudybot: (define (generate expression) `(lambda () ,@(map (lambda (binding) (list 'define (car binding) (list 23:13:49 'quote (cdr binding)))) definitions) ,expression)) 23:13:50 pjb: you mean, can I use it to generate sounds in emacs based on what I type? 23:13:53 ASau` [~user@95-26-139-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 23:14:02 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-139-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:04 LOL 23:14:06 rudybot: (define (generate expression) `(lambda () ,@(map (lambda (binding) (list 'define (car binding) (list 'quote (cdr binding)))) definitions) ,expression)) 23:14:07 pjb: your r5rs sandbox is ready 23:14:07 pjb: Done. 23:14:16 rudybot: (define definitions '()) 23:14:16 pjb: Done. 23:14:19 -!- wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:14:57 rudybot: (define (bind name expression) (set! definitions (cons (cons name expression) definitions))) 23:14:58 pjb: Done. 23:15:01 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 23:15:03 rudybot: (bind a 42) 23:15:05 pjb: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: a in module: 'program 23:15:05 i want REAL variables set as a result of data fed to the lambda 23:15:27 read! 23:15:33 rudybot: (bind 'a 42) 23:15:34 pjb: Done. 23:15:38 rudybot: (bind 'b 'z) 23:15:39 pjb: Done. 23:15:41 rudybot: definitions 23:15:41 pjb: ; Value: {{b . z} {a . 42}} 23:15:50 rudybot: (generate '(+ a 2)) 23:15:51 pjb: ; Value: {lambda () {define b {quote z}} {define a {quote 42}} {+ a 2}} 23:16:04 rudybot: ((eval (generate '(+ a 2)))) 23:16:06 pjb: error: procedure meval: expects 2 arguments, given 1: (mcons 'lambda (mcons '() (mcons (mcons 'define (mcons 'b (mcons (mcons 'quote (mcons 'z))))) (mcons (mcons 'define (mcons 'a (mcons (mcons 'quote (mcons 42))))) (mcons (mcons '+ (mcons 'a (mcons 2)))))))) 23:16:07 -!- ijp [~user@host86-161-100-160.range86-161.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: weekly reboot] 23:16:17 rudybot: ((eval (generate '(+ a 2)) (interaction-environment))) 23:16:19 pjb: ; Value: 44 23:16:40 what kind of black magic is this 23:16:42 So isn't a true variable in the function generated by (generate '(+ a 2)) ? 23:16:50 taylanub: this is scheme. 23:16:59 i just got very scared 23:17:13 ok, this is awesome, let me digest that 23:17:14 rudybot: (+ 1 2) 23:17:31 samth: error: with-limit: out of time 23:17:37 :-) 23:26:36 I _am_ building emacs on the same machine ... 23:32:16 pjb: ok, that doesn't let us save modifications in the variables between generate+eval calls. but i just realized i can (define myenv (interaction-environment)) etc. ... 23:33:04 -!- kudkudyak [~sun@94.72.140.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:45:28 rudybot: (+ 1 2) 23:45:28 *offby1: ; Value: 3 23:45:33 rudybot: (time (+ 1 2)) 23:45:33 *offby1: ; Value: 3 23:45:34 *offby1: ; stdout: "cpu time: 0 real time: 0 gc time: 0\n" 23:45:39 *offby1* peers at samth 23:45:55 rudybot: (+ 1 2) 23:45:57 samth: your sandbox is ready 23:45:57 samth: ; Value: 3 23:58:09 -!- exobit [~user@pool-98-116-156-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59:19 exobit [~user@pool-98-116-156-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:59:41 rostayob [~rostayob@host86-137-13-33.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme