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WTF, not a single person spoke on the 26th? No logs... ;p 17:35:34 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:44 or did the bot die for a little while 17:36:00 githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:37:16 mmc [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 17:37:36 djcb [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 17:38:07 you killed it with your praise of VS2008 17:38:26 offby1: I wrote the highlighter myself :p 17:38:46 that is harder than climbing everest, you know 17:39:17 Visual studio has tone of the most horrible API's ever 17:40:00 I believe it is much better in never versions, but they also included bugs in those version to make developing IronScheme in it impossible! 17:40:20 leppie: SchemeWay ? 17:40:25 leppie: aka SchemeScript ? 17:40:31 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-157.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has left #scheme 17:40:42 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-157.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has 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makes it pretty much readable for anyone 17:48:42 execpt Riadstrah perhaps :p 17:50:52 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:51:19 leppie: yeah similar to mine 17:51:48 leppie: riastradh's document is good. but i can't remember all of it. tbh i'm not writing as much scheme as i should be anyway. 17:52:30 You're not supposed to remember it all, your Emacs is. :-P 17:52:58 what emacs? :p 17:53:09 GNU emacs. 17:53:33 fds: :) 17:54:52 adu [~ajr@64.134.97.212] has joined #scheme 17:55:14 i wonder how many here know that both Scheme and Emacs sprang from Guy Steele's loins. 17:55:16 homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-85.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:57:16 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-210-237.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:57:25 and Fortress 17:58:55 I thought he just contributed to early emacsen. 18:00:30 I think the intuitive and ergonomic keybindings were his idea. ;-) 18:00:58 Yeah, that's what I know. 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That inconsistency would never survive in Scheme. 19:00:30 leppie: so in C#, (let ((x 1)) ((lambda (z) 42) 32) z) --> 32 ? 19:01:19 pjb: even in Scheme that is an error ;p 19:02:14 but yeah if x was z, then C# would fail to compile due to local variable shadowing 19:03:22 and the headhoncho of C# still claims C# has PROPER lexical scoping, I can only guess for some extremely weak value of PROPER 19:05:28 basically C# only allows shadowing where the name can be disambiguated with 'this.' 19:07:59 jrslepak [~jrslepak@64.134.70.42] has joined #scheme 19:10:02 joast [~rick@76.178.187.164] has joined #scheme 19:10:39 -!- tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: tltstc] 19:16:43 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #scheme 19:17:29 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:17:41 -!- woonie2 [~woonie@nusnet-226-238.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:19:21 bweaver [~user@host-68-169-158-230.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 19:25:21 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-157.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:52 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-157.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:32:57 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:33:48 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has joined #scheme 19:35:26 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 19:39:17 I can hear the C# programmers' mantra now: "we are the 99%" 19:40:17 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 19:43:58 -!- tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:44:35 lulz 19:45:57 [13:57:59] leppie | IOW, 'let's dumb down a language enough so dumb people can use it' ;p 19:45:59 [14:00:50] qu1j0t3 | a language for the 97% 19:46:08 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:46:09 ;p 19:46:38 makes sense, only 2% of C# coders are real coders 19:47:51 being in the top 0.33% on StackOverflow makes me not worry at all :p 19:48:43 if i wasnt such a dick, I would probably have double that by now 19:49:06 but that how i flow 19:49:16 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 19:49:31 -!- X-Scale is now known as Guest89281 19:51:55 leppie: You can start a C# Mensa, for the top 2% of C# coders. :-P 19:52:32 cky: there is no scientific gain in that exoeriment whatsoever 19:52:40 experiment 19:53:12 ...I didn't think the real Mensa was there for "scientific gain" either. ;-) 19:53:46 oh yes, I forgot, it was just another attempt at eugenism 19:53:57 Lol. 19:54:16 just like any other cult... 19:54:53 "Cult" seems a bit farfetched to me. 19:55:12 My point was simply that Mensa is more of a social organisation than having any specific purpose. 19:55:20 shall I call it religion rather? ;p 19:55:56 You don't have to bow down to anybody to join Mensa. :-) 19:57:18 but sexual favours might get you in 19:57:44 O_o 19:57:46 i dunno, some chick told me about it once, and then I just thought, cookoo ;p 19:58:19 I've joined Mensa 8 years ago, and I have not heard about the "sexual favours might get you in" part. :-P 19:58:27 about mensa, not sexual favours,, latter not being cookoo at all ;] 19:58:42 Lol. 19:58:57 snizzo_ [~quassel@host32-1-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 19:59:04 i guess i am just too anti-scoial 19:59:12 *nods* 19:59:21 -!- snizzo [~quassel@host110-137-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:59:25 *cky* wonders whether leppie has met any IRCer IRL. :-) 19:59:38 i did not even go to the github drinkup the other night, even though I got invoted personally :( 19:59:41 (Just relating to your "just too anti-social" comment.) 19:59:44 Awwww.... 19:59:51 cky: I am married to one ;p 19:59:56 Very nice. :-D 20:00:03 serious, and my ex-gf too 20:00:14 Can't be as antisocial as you think, then. ;-) 20:00:20 my wife was an op, woohoo! 20:00:38 :-D 20:00:55 binding with someone on a personal level has nothing to do with society 20:01:02 bonding 20:01:26 Well, I meant in terms of a introversion hardcoreness level. 20:01:45 well, when I get runk I get 'better' 20:01:49 drunk 20:01:54 ;-) 20:02:04 still socially awkard 20:02:19 *nods* 20:02:47 i have much better conversations with myself than most other people 20:03:04 Hehehehe. :-) 20:03:17 mostly because I dont judge myself 20:03:19 heh 20:03:29 So you judge everyone else? 20:03:40 not always ;p 20:03:51 nah, I dont really care 20:04:11 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@64.134.70.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:04:21 i dont bother people who dont bother me 20:04:27 :-) 20:05:30 i'll rather defend my point of view than judge someone else's 20:05:54 fantazo [~fantazo@85-127-93-0.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #scheme 20:06:07 "Scheme über alles!" 20:06:27 everyone has the fullest right to believe in whatever BS they want to believe in ;p 20:06:41 pastafarians unite! 20:06:48 Ramen! 20:06:53 err I meant, hi! 20:07:08 earth is round, so is a pizza 20:07:08 :-) 20:16:26 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:19:45 -!- snizzo_ [~quassel@host32-1-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:14 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:33:25 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:25 soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has joined #scheme 20:41:49 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:23 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 20:43:38 elly: Wow, your GitHub repo is full of Rust projects. I guess it's your new favourite language? My friend Daeken <3<3<3 Rust a lot. 20:44:08 -!- karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:45:22 bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-48-196-56.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 20:46:01 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 20:47:33 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:47:56 -!- bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-48-199-81.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:49:33 isn't there enough programming languages already? 20:51:08 cky: I dunno about favorite? 20:51:23 leppie: there are not enough convincing C++ replacements 20:52:36 thank god 20:52:41 -!- homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-85.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:46 if you get my drift 20:52:53 died, was not replaced. :) 20:53:20 rudybot: (* 5 +inf.0) 20:53:21 leppie: your sandbox is ready 20:53:21 leppie: ; Value: +inf.0 20:53:41 see, no replacement for infinite complexity 20:54:19 homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-85.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:54:24 cky: that said, it's pretty fun to write :) 20:54:27 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 20:54:31 has pattern matching, proper lambdas, &c 20:54:34 compiles to good native code 20:56:00 elly: *nods* 20:56:19 I'll have to play with it now, now that it's received endorsements from you and from Daeken. :-D 20:56:31 elly: oh you mean c++11 or whatever. 20:56:35 blasphemy! 20:56:47 qu1j0t3: :-) 20:56:52 oh RUST. 20:56:55 never mind, i scrolled back. 20:56:57 sorry. 20:57:11 qu1j0t3: I wanted to write a R7RS implementation in C++11, and call it 7-11 or 7:11 or 7.11 or whatever. :-P 20:57:24 I don't want to get sued by 7-Eleven though. 20:57:29 cky: masochist. 20:57:43 Come on, the name makes it worth it. :-D 20:59:47 call it 11-7 20:59:55 Hehehehe. 21:00:25 but not F117, then you get some army folks at your doorstep ;p 21:00:32 :-P 21:04:40 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:08:44 OSS-117. 21:09:44 Open Source Spacestation? ;p 21:10:13 leppie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0464913/ 21:12:14 leppie: it's the French 007. 21:12:38 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 21:13:17 so we make love for 3 days, then have a smoke, and then make love another 3 days, oh and then go out 5 minutes and shoot the bad guy, and then swear about the poor service? 21:13:31 hehew 21:14:02 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:14:12 It's a little more special than that. Better watch the movie (and the following, OSS-117 Rio ne répond plus). 21:15:08 so like a connery 007 :) 21:16:32 is it a french language movie with subtitles or dubbed into english? 21:17:22 I don't know. I watch my movies in version originale. 21:17:36 I assume it was distributed in the USA dubbed. 21:18:04 i'll look out for it 21:19:04 There was also an older series of OSS-117 movies in the 50s and 60s. 21:19:46 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:41 -!- Guest89281 is now known as X-Scale 21:39:01 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:52:04 -!- dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:31 dous [~dous@cm171.sigma67.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #scheme 21:52:35 -!- dous [~dous@cm171.sigma67.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 21:52:35 dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has joined #scheme 21:55:01 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 21:55:55 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-157.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:06 tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:57:09 -!- dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:04:18 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-157.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 22:05:16 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 22:15:01 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:15:58 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 22:16:03 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Quit: BRB.] 22:17:29 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:20:25 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 22:21:21 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 22:21:52 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has joined #scheme 22:23:17 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:26:48 fgudin_ [~fgudin@odin.sdf-eu.org] has joined #scheme 22:28:37 -!- fgudin_ [~fgudin@odin.sdf-eu.org] has quit [Client Quit] 22:28:52 fgudin_ [~fgudin@odin.sdf-eu.org] has joined #scheme 22:29:04 -!- fgudin_ [~fgudin@odin.sdf-eu.org] has quit [Client Quit] 22:32:06 -!- bfgun is now known as bfig 22:36:10 albert-sicp [~albert-si@71.156.44.252] has joined #scheme 22:41:40 hypnocat [~hypnocat@unaffiliated/hypnocat] has joined #scheme 22:45:19 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:46:11 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-2-213.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 22:49:53 -!- bweaver [~user@host-68-169-158-230.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:52:27 dous [~dous@cm171.sigma67.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #scheme 22:52:35 -!- dous [~dous@cm171.sigma67.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Changing host] 22:52:35 dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has joined #scheme 22:57:13 Anyone have any comments before I `chsh -s /bin/zsh'? 22:57:43 I have a feeling bash is going to irritate me from now on; and I hate to be a shell-snob. 22:58:19 you might want to ask on #zsh 22:58:26 *klutometis* briefly entertains going back to zsh-ignorance. 22:58:30 How familiar are you with bash? zsh differs from bash a fair bit, once you get beyond the superficial. 22:58:50 hypnocat: That's like someone asking whether to use CL, Scheme, or Clojure on this channel. 22:58:58 hypnocat: Would you expect an unbiased answer? ;-) 22:58:58 hypnocat: Meh; I trust Schemers. 22:58:58 is he asking whether to use it? 22:59:19 cky: Just read the manual; huge. Took me hours. It's fucking incredible. 22:59:30 klutometis: The bash manual, or the zsh one? :-) 22:59:32 i thought he'd already made up his mind, and was simply asking for what he needed to know before switching it 22:59:35 cky: zsh 22:59:39 klutometis: Ah. :-) 22:59:42 You read the entire zsh manual? 22:59:52 klutometis: See, I'm very familiar with bash, so, switching to zsh would take more effort on my part. 22:59:55 Yeah, it was hideous; and hideously edifying. 22:59:56 In one go? 23:00:31 fast reader.. 23:00:33 klutometis: (Not that I can't do it, but I would require a significant push to do it.) Just like, at the time I learnt Dvorak (8 years ago), I was already a very fast qwerty typist. And it did take some work to switch. 23:01:02 hypnocat: % man zshall | wc -l => 26391. 23:01:05 But in that particular case, I did have a significant push. :-P 23:01:08 And it's not a light read. 23:01:20 *hypnocat* nods 23:01:41 the war and peace of unix manuals 23:01:55 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdsndoqdnlhyhkqg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:02:30 :-O 23:03:57 cky: That's funny: I switched around the same time, too. There is something in the zsh FAQ or other to the effect of: "Do you really have time to learn zsh? If not, stick with bash." 23:04:54 klutometis: Nice (you're a Dvorak typist? well met). But yeah, if you feel the push to switch to zsh and are willing to learn, I'd say go right ahead. If not, then not. 23:04:55 you don't have to learn it all at once 23:05:27 and zsh is similar enough to bash for someone who already familiar with bash not to feel completely lost when switching to zsh 23:05:50 also, if you have questions about it, you can always ask in #zsh.. it's a very helpful channel 23:06:11 -!- dnolen [~user@ppp-70-249-145-33.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:06:23 when i last switched to zsh, i converted most of my bash scripts almost painlessly 23:06:42 otoh, i wasn't using a ton of bashisms 23:06:58 That's interesting; yeah, I don't normally have the patience to reboot my toolchain. I recently decided, however, to throw away a decade-long cultivated ~/.emacs and start over with ESK. 23:07:06 zsh and oh-my-zsh seem to be in the spirit of things, too. 23:07:27 klutometis: Well, in that case, you have your answer right there. :-) 23:07:27 i know i wish i'd switched to zsh sooner 23:07:34 is zsh more trendy? 23:07:36 It'll be interesting to see how painful (or not) it is to convert by bash-scripts. 23:07:43 hypnocat: I have a friend who has lots of <3 for zsh too. 23:07:52 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:07:59 i switched to it long ago, but switched to bash and stayed with bash for decades... wish i'd just stuck with zsh the whole time 23:08:17 is it recommended for someone who doesnt really know any shell? 23:08:20 brendyn: More trendy than what: bash? 23:08:22 brendyn: Yes. 23:08:26 klutometis: yes 23:08:28 brendyn: sure 23:08:30 I'd stay away from the oh-my thing. It's the first and foremost source of grief over in #zsh. 23:08:54 brendyn: It's similar to "Is Dvorak recommended for someone who's starting to learn to type?". The answer is yes. 23:09:14 mmk, is there a particular big win that makes it better? 23:09:51 ft: Thanks for the tip; I suspect time spent configuring ~/.zshrc, &c. manually is time well spent. Maybe I'll appreciate oh-my-zsh later. 23:09:59 brendyn: hypnocat will answer that for zsh. As for Dvorak, read http://www.dvorak-keyboard.com/ (tl;dr: the fact that the vowels and common consonants are all in the home row is a feature). 23:10:08 brendyn: far more powerful globbing, fully scriptable line editor, completion on steroids... something like that. 23:10:32 bash and zsh are constantly copying features from each other.. they're moving targets 23:10:41 cky: yes ive read a fair bit about dvorak and did attempt it once a few years ago -- keep to start again 23:10:48 since i cant touch type at all 23:10:50 klutometis: what is ESK? 23:10:51 they're probably a lot closer to each other than they used to be 23:10:56 + obvious reasons 23:10:59 klutometis: check zshwiki.org for a quickstart into configuring the completion system. and go from there. 23:11:24 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:11:52 is it made by an australian? 23:12:14 zsh? 23:12:35 yeah, the site has a bunch of primary mirrors in australia 23:13:00 and since australian servers are way more expensive than many other places i cant think of why they would buy here unless they were aussie 23:13:09 nope. it was written by some guy from the usa and is now maintained by a small group of people. 23:13:32 mmk 23:13:33 I bet the servers are at universities. ;) 23:13:52 the main homepage is zsh.sf.net 23:14:09 hypnocat: well `moving target' is a fair bit different to contrasting between dvorak and qwerty. 23:14:21 also, zsh has a much bigger... manual 23:15:18 i cant even understand reading a manual for start to finish. i didnt realise anyone ever did it ;p 23:19:43 another shell worth checking out is scsh :) 23:20:06 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-157.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:13 at least for scripting 23:20:56 just to get on-topic again? ;) 23:24:58 -!- tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:25:01 *hypnocat* wonders how many schemers use scsh regularly 23:25:49 well i dont know bash's language anyway so it'd hardly make me worse 23:28:17 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-165-157.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 23:32:48 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 23:35:01 mario-goulart: "Emacs Starter Kit"; has some reasonable defaults, reasonable lisp support and access to a reasonably large package repository. 23:35:15 -!- platinuum [~platinuum@S0106602ad06b80ad.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: oops] 23:35:18 It's the repository that got me, mainly (though package.el has been available for some time). 23:35:35 Got tired of manually installing packages; and my ~/.emacs was warty. 23:36:03 ft: Thanks; looks good. 23:37:04 np 23:39:13 klutometis: oh, ok. I recently started a radical .emacs clean up. 23:39:35 I've been trying to stick to the bare minimum. 23:42:12 drwho [~drwho@56-34-237-24.gci.net] has joined #scheme