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I'm starting to learn scheme, so I just got the MIT one off yum. 10:45:15 *shrug* 10:45:17 _I_ like it 10:45:29 give it a try certainly 10:50:31 -!- leo2007 [~leo@124.72.163.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:58:16 leo2007 [~leo@124.72.163.37] has joined #scheme 11:55:29 kuribas [~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 12:32:03 -!- Adrinael_ [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:37:17 -!- kvda [~kvda@124-169-134-221.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: x___x] 12:42:31 -!- gremmachook [u1735@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-txiyspqrvlgekxbo] has left #scheme 12:49:49 karswell__ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 12:51:10 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:55:46 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-38-111.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 12:58:49 snizzo [~quassel@host228-12-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 13:28:57 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:33 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-133.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:32:06 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:48:04 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 13:51:32 gremmachook: (define (but-last l) (reverse (cdr (reverse l)))) 13:51:43 well just in case ;p 14:00:58 ugh. 14:05:01 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-5-100.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 14:07:07 pierreghz [~pierreghz@cust-211-13-111-94.dyn.as47377.net] has joined #scheme 14:08:49 mibbe [~mibbe@87.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 14:16:04 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:35 -!- Pepe_ [~ppjet@anderith.bouah.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:24:51 Pepe_ [~ppjet@anderith.bouah.net] has joined #scheme 14:44:32 6.S184 uses Racket, so it's the way to go! http://web.mit.edu/alexmv/6.S184/ 14:49:08 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 15:00:54 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:08:18 didn't know they used Racket at MIT 15:08:33 They do now. Renewals! 15:08:46 .oO("Renewals"?) 15:09:09 of 6.001, presumably 15:09:33 elly: 6.001 is dead, long live to 6.S184! http://web.mit.edu/alexmv/6.S184/ 15:09:54 At least, dead to scheme. 15:17:47 -!- pierreghz [~pierreghz@cust-211-13-111-94.dyn.as47377.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:18:21 vatsal [~vatsal@115.99.225.9] has joined #scheme 15:18:44 zombie 6.001! 15:18:56 I should crash that 15:19:18 bytbox [~s@96.26.105.154] has joined #scheme 15:20:17 -!- vatsal [~vatsal@115.99.225.9] has quit [Client Quit] 15:22:11 just DOS it 15:22:14 *offby1* slaps thigh 15:29:45 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-5f77bf92.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:31:01 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #scheme 15:32:01 pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-d9bfdb93.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 15:33:08 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 15:36:35 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 15:39:50 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 16:02:51 woonie [~woonie@175.156.227.84] has joined #scheme 16:07:42 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 16:19:18 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 16:52:01 -!- bytbox [~s@96.26.105.154] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:01:25 jrslepak [~jrslepak@209.117.47.52] has joined #scheme 17:03:46 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 17:03:55 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 17:18:57 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:19:59 tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:21:55 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:22:14 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:30:20 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-148-219.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:34:37 jrapdx [~jra@c-76-105-198-230.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:40:41 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@209.117.47.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:45:51 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 17:50:15 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-133.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:54:05 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-148-219.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:17 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-148-219.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:04:37 -!- leo2007 [~leo@124.72.163.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:19:22 -!- woonie [~woonie@175.156.227.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:21:46 LeoNerd [~leo@cel.leonerd.org.uk] has joined #scheme 18:24:01 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:24:33 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 18:27:00 ijp [~user@host109-158-226-141.range109-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:32:45 -!- ijp [~user@host109-158-226-141.range109-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 18:34:42 ijp [~user@host109-158-226-141.range109-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:35:14 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-148-219.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:35:24 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-148-219.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:24 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 18:42:31 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-148-219.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:47 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-148-219.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:48:48 mibbe_ [~mibbe@87.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:49:27 -!- mibbe [~mibbe@87.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:49:31 -!- mibbe_ is now known as mibbe 18:56:21 euccastro [~es@139.Red-83-40-72.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:59:22 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-133.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:04:43 untrusted [~user@stgt-5f718677.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 19:05:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:16:53 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 19:20:59 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has joined #scheme 19:22:00 add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-5-100.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 19:25:01 So... I notice one way to implement memq/memv/member would be to write a helper function and pass eq?/eqv?/equal? to it 19:25:20 Is there a nice way to do that while keeping said helper lexically hidden within those, so it doesn't escape? 19:25:41 LeoNerd: in CL, there's must member, which takes a :test argument... 19:26:23 (letrec ((member-helper (e l t) ...)) (define (memq ...) ...) (define (memv ...) ...) ...) 19:26:42 But won't that define memq/memv/etc... locally within the letrec? 19:26:46 Rather than making new toplevels? 19:27:14 Perhaps, I'd have to check with the standard... 19:27:19 -!- untrusted [~user@stgt-5f718677.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #scheme 19:27:38 (in CL, defun always define a function in the global environment). 19:28:01 Ah.. prettysure that define is just going to affect the lexical environment it runs in 19:28:22 If you have define-values, (define-values (memq memv member) (letrec ((helper ...)) (define memq ...) ... (values memq memv member)). 19:28:40 Oooh... I don't. 19:28:44 But that's exactly what I was thinking of :) 19:29:18 If not, you could always 'set!' the toplevels posthumously, mayhaps. 19:29:46 Feels messy that way. I could just implement define-values 19:30:22 Oh.. but I have no 'values' 19:30:43 What about: (define (member-helper ...) ...) (define memq (let ((member-helper member-helper)) (lambda (...) (member-helper ...)))) (set! member-helper #f) 19:30:58 That won't work 19:31:03 Oh.. I see the inner let 19:31:11 Eh.. it'll still leak a symbol 19:31:21 But it's an interesting idea 19:31:46 You could reuse one of the memX symbols... 19:33:12 -!- LeoNerd [~leo@cel.leonerd.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:44 LeoNerd [~leo@cel.leonerd.org.uk] has joined #scheme 19:33:50 Bah 19:35:06 markskilbeck [~markskilb@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #scheme 19:48:32 -!- markskilbeck [~markskilb@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:54:51 *cky* is prodded by ijp. :-P 19:58:03 djcb [~user@a88-114-95-13.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 19:58:25 jakky [jakk@motherfucking.ddosking.org] has joined #scheme 20:01:24 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:04:40 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:04:49 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-148-219.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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scheme would be a natural fit for 23:18:10 yet virtually all the papers use ml or haskell, even though they might give a passing nod to scheme once in a while 23:18:25 maybe its a subtle commentary on the usefulness of r5rs? 23:19:54 hypnocat: I assume you've seen http://library.readscheme.org/ 23:19:57 i think it's just that the compsci community is currently enamored with static typing and rigor 23:20:21 ijp: yeah, i have.. that's a drop in the bucket compared to the number of compsci papers that use ml or haskell 23:21:05 there are probably more papers using ml or haskell on the subject of continuations alone than all the papers on library.readscheme.org on every topic combined 23:24:42 well, better get to work on your grand series of scheme continuation papers :) 23:25:16 heh 23:32:44 -!- tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36:15 kvda [~kvda@124-169-134-221.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 23:42:33 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 23:42:44 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43:00 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 23:43:13 I want a function 'cross' such that (cross f '(1 2) '(3 4)) => ((f 1 2) (f 2 3) (f 1 4) (f 2 4)) etc... Does such exist, and what might its name be? 23:43:14 -!- mibbe [~mibbe@87.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:57 (define (xmap f l1 l2) (map f (list l1 l2))) 23:44:04 oh wait thats not it 23:44:11 mibbe [~mibbe@87.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 23:44:33 I'd settle for (apply f (something else)) 23:44:46 Basicall,y I want to take two lists, and form a list of all the cross product pairs 23:45:03 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #scheme 23:45:22 in racket I would do (for/list ([a l1] [b l2]) (f a b)) 23:48:04 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50:28 or similarly, (collect-list (for a (in-list l1)) (for b (in-list l2)) (f a b)) in foof-loop 23:51:00 LeoNerd: there is no standard cross-product function 23:51:52 OK