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How can I create a list of random numbers with NO repeats? 02:14:12 13WAAJ28K [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #scheme 02:15:48 Prometheus: depends on exactly what you need. 02:16:08 Prometheus: if you just need N different numbers, you can permute 1..N (e.g. with Fisher-Yates) 02:17:33 Prometheus: racket has a "shuffle" function that does what you want 02:17:38 rudybot: (shuffle (build-list 20 values)) 02:17:40 *offby1: your sandbox is ready 02:17:40 *offby1: ; Value: (0 19 11 3 2 15 14 16 7 12 17 13 6 8 1 4 18 9 10 5) 02:17:42 rudybot: (shuffle (build-list 20 values)) 02:17:42 *offby1: ; Value: (8 13 10 1 19 11 7 12 2 0 5 16 17 6 15 4 18 14 9 3) 02:17:45 etc etc 02:18:00 I just wiki'd Fisher-Yates'. I was hoping something that I could use build-list with 02:18:08 *offby1* whistles innocently 02:18:11 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has left #scheme 02:18:20 lol 02:18:43 I suspect it's using the ®©Schwarzian Transform®© under the covers 02:19:08 at a glance that seems like something I could use 02:19:15 *offby1* uses it alla time 02:19:32 rudybot: (shuffle (build-vector 20 values)) 02:19:32 *offby1: error: sort: expected argument of type ; given '#(0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19) 02:19:35 ah well 02:20:03 hey offby1, how good is your probability theory? 02:20:54 crappy to nonexistent 02:21:00 rudybot: (map cdr (sort (map (lambda (x) (cons (random) x)) (build-list 20 values)) < #:key car)) 02:21:01 *offby1: ; Value: (14 6 4 16 13 15 0 2 9 18 10 19 8 12 3 5 17 7 1 11) 02:22:39 that's arguably more portable, since it doesn't use "shuffle", but of course it assumes your "sort" takes keyword arguments. 02:22:59 rudybot: (map cdr (sort (map (lambda (x) (cons (random) x)) (build-list 20 values)) (lambda (a b) (<(car a) (car b))))) 02:22:59 *offby1: ; Value: (16 15 4 6 14 8 2 18 7 17 1 13 19 3 9 10 12 0 5 11) 02:23:09 that's better ... assuming you have build-list .... &c 02:23:38 given a large number of guesses, (n+1)/2 is the average number of guesses needed to pick a correct number from 1 to n 02:23:56 do you think that's correct? 02:24:25 if you are guessing randomly that is 02:24:28 I need to parse that 02:24:46 Either I don't understand, or I disagree. 02:25:16 Are you saying ... someone has chosen a number between 1 and n, and I need to guess it; and that it'll take me (on average) (n+1)/2 guesses to stumble upon it? 02:25:26 If so, I disagree; I'd say on average it'd take n guesses. 02:25:36 That'd be awfully easy to simulate, though! 02:26:03 Yep, if you guess randomly. 02:26:08 dous [~dous@210.24.42.190] has joined #scheme 02:26:18 given a very large number of times you play that "game" 02:26:59 so it might take n guesses one time, 1 guess one time, n/2 guesses the next, and so on 02:27:07 but the average would be (n+1)/2 02:27:53 rudybot: (define (bogosort lst) (let loop ((lst lst)) (if (apply <= lst) lst (loop (shuffle lst)))) 02:27:53 cky: no need to use an external tool to shuffle the tasks i should be doing instead of shuffling tasks 02:28:01 rudybot: eval (define (bogosort lst) (let loop ((lst lst)) (if (apply <= lst) lst (loop (shuffle lst)))) 02:28:01 cky: error: #:1:0: read: expected a `)' to close `(' 02:28:04 rudybot: eval (define (bogosort lst) (let loop ((lst lst)) (if (apply <= lst) lst (loop (shuffle lst))))) 02:28:05 cky: Done. 02:28:13 rudybot: (bogosort '(5 4 3 2 1)) 02:28:14 cky: ; Value: (1 2 3 4 5) 02:28:20 :-D 02:28:53 rudybot: eval (define (bogosort lst (le? <=)) (let loop ((lst lst)) (if (apply le? lst) lst (loop (shuffle lst))))) 02:28:53 cky: Done. 02:29:07 rudybot: (bogosort '("foo" "bar" "baz" "qux") string<=?) 02:29:08 cky: ; Value: ("bar" "baz" "foo" "qux") 02:29:11 :-D 02:30:05 offby1: I blame you on your mention of shuffle, that got me into this whole bogosort business. :-P 02:30:57 Prometheus: try http://ix.io/24R 02:31:49 cky: the rule is: if rudybot can "read" your message to him, he'll evaluate it. Otherwise he does his usual mostly-random-quip thing 02:32:00 offby1: Yes, I'm aware of that. 02:32:12 cky: I'm sorta impressed; I thought it was obscure 02:32:18 offby1: Rather than try to fix syntax manually, I'd rather just use eval so rudybot can tell me what the syntax error was. 02:33:09 offby1: I remember the olden days when eval was always required. 02:33:30 And then, between you and eli, you figured some way to not have to use eval, some of the time. 02:34:03 ... and I suspect it's never worked quite right 02:34:19 Prometheus: you may have noticed that I got the labels rather wrong :) 02:34:40 offby1: I'm not sure I understand the link you sent 02:35:02 or the purpose, not to be rude 02:35:09 well, it's some code. If you make it executable and run it, it should draw a nice graph 02:35:23 which will sorta kinda answer the question "how many guesses on average does it take". 02:36:05 might not work unless you have racket 5.2 though 02:36:33 expand: unbound identifier in module in: plot-font-size 02:36:39 is the error I get, on 5.1.2 02:37:23 *grumble* 02:37:35 Prometheus: like I said -- probably needs 5.2 02:37:49 you could try deleting [plot-font-size 18] 02:37:53 it's not all that important 02:38:24 *grumble* It's the 21st century. Why doesn't the "preview" program know how to export images to flickr, imgur, etc? 02:38:56 I had an idea I'm trying to implement atm, and if it falls through I'll try to take advantage of the code you sent me :) 02:39:40 actually, just totting up the number of needed guesses, and dividing by the number of trials, should be good enough (and easier to interpret than the ultra-jagged line that my program draws) 02:40:38 YES! 02:40:41 Number of trials, huh? I should extend my bogosort to count the number of trials. ;-) 02:40:41 it worked! 02:41:14 my theory on the avg. number of trials being (n+1)/2 was correct 02:41:20 rudybot: eval (define (bogosort lst (le? <=)) (let loop ((lst lst) (count 0)) (if (apply le? lst) (values lst count) (loop (shuffle lst) (add1 count))))) 02:41:21 it was? 02:41:21 cky: Done. 02:41:22 I'm surprised 02:41:32 rudybot: (bogosort '(3 1 4 1 5 9 2 6 5 3 5)) 02:41:40 cky: eww, you're not using square brackets! It burns, it burns. 02:41:42 cky: error: with-limit: out of time 02:41:54 offby1: Lulz. 02:41:54 lovely 02:42:01 if you like I can show you the exact question I was assigned and my solution for it. 02:42:01 rudybot: (bogosort '[3 1 4 1 5 9]) 02:42:02 cky: ; Value: (1 1 3 4 5 9) 02:42:03 cky: ; Value#2: 1271 02:42:05 try a ... er ... shorter list 02:42:07 yay 02:42:08 There, square brackets for you. :-P 02:42:13 Prometheus: oh sure. 02:42:52 cky: wouldn't it be ironic if "shuffle" indeed used the Schwarzian Transform -- i.e., if it invoked "sort" 02:43:08 Hehehehe. 02:44:56 offby1: http://cl.ly/0M3n2r440C3i011y1o08 02:45:15 it was the bonus question in the html file, and my work is in playgame.rkt 02:46:06 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:46:54 rudybot: [bogosort '["more" "square" "brackets" "special" "for" "offby1"] string<=?) 02:46:54 cky: square brackets, you mean, not angle brackets? 02:46:55 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 02:46:57 rudybot: [bogosort '["more" "square" "brackets" "special" "for" "offby1"] string<=?] 02:46:58 cky: ; Value: ("brackets" "for" "more" "offby1" "special" "square") 02:46:59 cky: ; Value#2: 354 02:47:19 what are [] for, again? 02:47:31 zmv: Well, in R6RS, [] is treated the same as (). 02:47:41 zmv: I personally never use them, but some people do. 02:47:56 really? 02:48:00 hmm, I don't see how it can be done in notably less than N guesses. 02:48:21 why would somebody *ever* use [] instead of ()? 02:48:32 zmv: they're a style thing. They generally mean "this stuff isn't a procedure call, but rather, something else" 02:48:52 offby1: if it took N guesses, that would mean every guess is wrong except their last guess 02:48:55 nor a macro invocation. 02:49:00 Prometheus: well, of course. 02:49:09 why would you keep guessing if you got it right? 02:49:22 when I see [] I always remember of Arc's one-arg lambdas :P 02:49:22 I realize I just slammed 60ml of Jameson's, but ... 02:49:35 .oO("The one-arg lambda, he's a beast") 02:49:45 .oO("The two-arg lambda, he's the least") 02:49:49 you stop after you got it right 02:50:08 that game is considered over once you guess it right 02:50:21 .oO("And I will bet a porno spamma ... there isn't any three-arg lambda") 02:50:28 Prometheus: yes ... ? 02:50:43 *offby1* apologizes to Ogden Nash 02:51:19 if n is 100, you have a 1/100 chance to guess the right number (which we can call x) 02:51:36 half the time x will be from 1 to 50, the other half in 51 to 100 02:51:51 sure 02:52:59 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klutometis: oh, what am I saying ... not Scheme. what we need are VB Macros. 18:37:31 *qu1j0t3* runz 18:38:02 ijp [~user@host86-177-157-67.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 18:38:12 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 18:38:33 qu1j0t3: Heh; there was actually some talk on the Clojure list about a github clone called "lithub". 18:38:50 literate clojure? 18:38:52 *qu1j0t3* faints 18:38:52 The idea was that it would allow literate programming: i.e. code snippets embedded in text that may or may not be executed. 18:39:24 klutometis: mathematica notebook 18:39:31 Quora, &c. could probably use something like that; trolls, I'm sure, would DDOS them, though, and make sure that we can't have nice things. 18:39:36 klutometis: LOL 18:39:41 klutometis: well, they already do that. 18:39:45 qu1j0t3: Right; that's a pretty good analogy. 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