00:01:20 i'm still not familiar with vectors, since SICP is more interested in generic algorithms than anything else 00:02:32 my question arises from SICP chapter 4, when talking about evaluating quoted expressions, it uses cadr over the expression, which i don't really understand 00:03:20 well since, you are already dealing with raw s-expressions, you don't need to do anything special 00:03:35 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:48 so, it sees a (list 'quote sexp), and you just cadr it 00:03:49 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.140.255] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 00:05:13 i don't understand how that works, isn't cadr taking only the first element in the quoted expression? 00:05:26 bfig: Second. 00:05:35 (cadr x) == (car (cdr x)) 00:05:48 no, the whole list is (quote sexp) so you take the second element 00:06:06 i mean it in this way: you evade the quote, and take the meta parameters of the quote, then take the first of the meta parameters 00:06:28 ie, first cdr gives you sexp, then the car gives you the first parameter of sexp, right? 00:07:01 rudybot: eval (cdr '(quote sexp)) 00:07:02 ijp: your sandbox is ready 00:07:02 ijp: ; Value: (sexp) 00:07:13 rudybot: (call-with-input-string "'(x y z)" read) 00:07:14 cky: ; Value: (quote (x y z)) 00:07:40 rudybot: eval (call-with-input-string "'(x y z)" (compose cdr read)) 00:07:40 ijp: ; Value: ((x y z)) 00:07:40 bfig: Note, when the reader sees '(x y z), the result is a list with two elements: 00:07:48 rudybot: eval (call-with-input-string "'(x y z)" (compose cadr read)) 00:07:48 ijp: ; Value: (x y z) 00:08:11 cky, that i get, you have a list with cons quote (params) 00:08:18 Yes. 00:08:32 So to get the params, you use cadr, since that returns the second element of the list. 00:08:52 ahh of course! what a dumbass. 00:08:53 rudybot: eval (cons 'quote '(* x 3)) 00:08:53 ijp: ; Value: (quote * x 3) 00:08:56 rudybot: eval (list 'quote '(* x 3)) 00:08:56 ijp: ; Value: 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best choice for scheme interpreter in gentoo portage tree ? 02:43:59 Racket or Guile, maybe? 02:44:58 chicken should work fine. 02:45:10 if a little ... old. 02:51:01 what about this one : http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/ 02:51:12 Mathieu [cicak@legrand.im] has joined #scheme 02:52:59 dandellion_yello: try it out. 02:53:05 dandellion_yello: they all should work. :) 02:53:22 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:07:40 icrazyhack [~horieyui@113.106.212.50] has joined #scheme 03:13:56 -!- mikecsh [~mikecsh@113.28.74.33] has quit [Quit: mikecsh] 03:15:28 -!- dandellion_yello [~dandellio@176.222.170.126] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:24:23 -!- replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:44 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.162.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:48:39 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 03:52:56 tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined 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One choice is to save it directly in a variable, another is to box it and save the box in a variable. These will behave differently wrt to function calls. The first is passed by value, while the second is more like a reference/pointer argument, because you can use the box to mutate the original value. Are there any other considerations to take into account when choosing between the two? 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[~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #scheme 22:17:17 *ski* pasted "fluid-let" at 22:17:30 i believe that implements the basic idea 22:17:53 Omer_ [4751971a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.81.151.26] has joined #scheme 22:18:11 -!- Omer_ [4751971a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.81.151.26] has quit [Client Quit] 22:24:49 -!- PreciousMetals [~Heart@unaffiliated/colours] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:38 PreciousMetals [~Heart@unaffiliated/colours] has joined #scheme 22:31:32 tuubow [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:34:14 sorry i didn't see you wrote back. checking the link (and hoping it opens) 22:34:16 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:49:20 -!- panterax [~panterax@31.176.176.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:50:19 panterax [~panterax@31.176.150.129] has joined #scheme 22:52:11 (irritatingly i apparently multiple-pasted the same paste -- i was getting no feedback that the pasting worked, in some cases it complained about reusing captch, in other cases it wanted me to answer a captcha without me seeing either any picture to read or any computation to do ..) 22:52:45 -!- panterax [~panterax@31.176.150.129] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:53:34 panterax [~panterax@31.176.150.129] has joined #scheme 22:55:19 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 22:58:00 What do you call the property of symbols such that they're self-same? I want to say `idempotency', but that's incorrect. 23:01:04 klutometis: "Identity". 23:02:48 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 23:03:38 jcowan: I suspected as much; seemed to "easy". 23:03:43 s/to/too/. 23:04:29 jcowan: There is, however, ipse- and idem-identity. 23:06:00 No, sorry: `ipse-' and `idem-identity' are the ramblings of a degenerate French postmodernist. 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