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Could I not define my FExpr as a function, f, and then write a macro: (define-syntax my-fexpr () ((_ stuff ...) 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What's the current recommended Scheme-compiler-du-jour? Last I checked (a couple of years ago), Chicken was recommended. Has the state of the art changed since then? 08:38:39 on GNU/Linux I would first take a look at what is available in the repositories, unless I knew my use case requires some specific implementation 08:39:14 Chicken it is, then. Thanks! (= 08:40:53 leppie [~lolcow@196-210-148-9.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 08:42:05 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 08:43:57 -!- lolcow [lolcow@196.209.233.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:50:08 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-124-13.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 08:50:50 Trying to write a macro that will convert (a b c) to (("a" 'a) ("b" 'b) ("c" 'c)), but need a little help: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/516567/ 08:52:02 ccorn [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 08:58:50 dRbiG [p@static-78-8-120-130.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #scheme 09:09:35 i1126 [~i1126@xdsl-78-34-248-173.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 09:20:14 -!- Brendan_T [~Brendan_T@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:25:38 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has left #scheme 09:28:09 -!- i1126 [~i1126@xdsl-78-34-248-173.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:37:31 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:41:58 hkBst: Why? You don't need a macro to do that. ((lambda (los) (map (lambda (s) (list (symbol->string s) (list 'quote s))) los)) '(a b c)) --> (("a" 'a) ("b" 'b) ("c" 'c)) 09:42:57 The first rule of macro writing is: Do not use a macro when a function can do. 09:51:28 Hey, that's an interesting point. Is there a way to determine when a function will not do? 09:51:46 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #scheme 09:52:15 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:06 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #scheme 09:53:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #scheme 09:54:57 hi! could someone please give me a bird's eye view on the current situation with gambit and emacs? what's the best way to interact with gambit? (I'm a slime user on common lisp, but this project seems to be dead: https://github.com/jlongster/swank-gambit ) 09:55:57 I mean, what's the most widely used interaction mode in emacs? 09:56:14 cizra: Macros work at compilation time. Functions work at run-time. 09:56:47 attila_lendvai: nonetheless, my advice would be to use swank-gambit, and to maintain it if need be. 09:57:02 attila_lendvai: M-x run-sheme is lame. 10:00:57 pjb: ok, will look into it. simply starting it and trying to connect errors on the emacs side, but... let me see... :) 10:04:06 beware of version mismatch between swank and slime... 10:22:54 hkBst: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/516594/ (if you interested in where you went wrong with the macro) 10:23:57 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-76-105-198-230.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:23:58 oops, messed up the output order ;p 10:37:54 farnearer [~user@109.231.202.66] has joined #scheme 10:45:18 jrapdx [~jra@c-76-105-198-230.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 10:53:38 add^_ [~add^_^@h178n3c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #scheme 10:57:29 masm [~masm@bl19-161-129.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 11:14:43 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-148-9.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 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the lexical env 15:25:19 Ah, I see 15:26:09 I don't have define-syntax yet, but I've got explicit renaming macros that support lexical scope now :D 15:28:52 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 15:29:24 wingo: racketeers are more often found in #racket 15:29:59 samth: are stupid questions from non-racket folks welcome? ;-) 15:30:04 as for why that's true of `make-parameter', i have no idea 15:30:07 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30:18 masm [~masm@bl19-161-129.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 15:30:20 wingo: yes, and your questions are welcome too :P 15:30:29 heh 15:30:42 thanks, will ask there next time 15:31:07 wingo: more seriously, i'd ask on the mailing list, b/c only matthew will know the answer to that question 15:31:11 and he 15:31:16 isn't an irc-type 15:31:31 ok 15:31:41 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 15:34:18 freakazoid [~seanl@c-67-164-106-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] 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16:12:28 phoenixsun: i recommend racket: http://racket-lang.org 16:12:44 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 16:13:46 phoenixsun: I think your best bet is picking an implementation to use and follow its documentation. 16:14:34 the documentation part is important :p 16:15:43 that true I know of MIT GNU Scheme and Racket 16:16:15 I am feeling like I will go with Racket...alteast their site seems maintained which means better docs/support 16:16:29 samth: thanks for the suggestion 16:17:57 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 16:18:06 -!- freakazoid [~seanl@c-67-164-106-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:18:19 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-161-129.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:18:52 have fun with scheme! 16:19:18 I will...my first foray into a lisp 16:19:24 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 16:22:07 -!- Belaf 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Why use scheme instead of clisp? 18:59:45 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 19:01:27 -!- leo2007 [~leo@120.33.3.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:02:18 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:06:38 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:06:58 andyjones: Occam's razor. 19:07:14 What is Occam's razor? 19:07:23 What's occam's erasor? 19:07:50 andyjones: The principle that you should avoid superflous shit; Scheme has a spectacular clarity resembling the azure Summer sky. 19:08:30 CL is muddied by the too-many-cooks principle. 19:09:36 -!- sphex_ is now known as sphe 19:09:38 -!- sphe is now known as sphex 19:09:38 Neither. Use Racket ;-) 19:09:54 Programming in Scheme is like living in a cognitive-dissonance-free zone. 19:10:22 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 19:10:28 It resembles the top-level of purgatory, where Socrates is installed. 19:10:42 So there are useless features in common lisp that make it bloated in comparison to scheme? 19:11:19 andyjones: CLOS; and quotation is required to refer to functions by name. 19:11:31 The first one you can avoid, of course; the latter is a persistent irritation. 19:12:13 Is it becoming like other languages in that it is requireing you to jump through hoops to do things? 19:12:21 Also, the specification for Scheme is roughly fifty pages long: ; very digestible. 19:13:20 useful schemes are as big as common lisp systems. 19:13:37 Is base scheme not useful then? 19:13:53 so i think there is some collective fiction going on among schemers about big and small :) 19:14:22 wingo: I don't know if that's the case: R5RS + cherry-picked libraries hardly = CL; does it? 19:14:58 andyjones: Even when writing useful applications (for some value of "useful"), there are no hoops. 19:14:58 R7RS WG2 will be even bigger than CL 19:15:05 klutometis: but R5RS + missing things to make it a useful system ~= CL + missing things to make it a useful system 19:15:29 samth: But the core is pure; and the libraries are segregated. 19:15:35 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-133-239.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:15:42 klutometis: that's not true in any interesting sense 19:15:48 you're better off with a smaller base language that you add the things you want to than with a larger base with a bunch of warts that you then need to live with 19:16:29 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 19:17:28 klutometis: by that do you mean CLOS is useless? or bloated? 19:17:59 -!- andyjones [d8ef1c62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.239.28.98] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:19:31 ijp: Not useless; but part of ANSI Common Lisp, unfortunately. 19:23:00 -!- bwright_ [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:23:24 bwright [~bwright@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #scheme 19:25:17 -!- ada2358 [~ada2358@login.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:28:16 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:29:18 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:30:00 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 19:30:23 -!- djcb [~user@a88-112-255-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:30:50 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:33:31 -!- freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:34:37 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 19:35:10 freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has joined #scheme 19:35:55 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:41:27 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:52:06 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 19:52:32 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has left #scheme 19:54:03 djcb [~user@a88-112-255-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 19:55:20 tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:57:31 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:58:50 -!- freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:59:43 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 20:00:41 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 20:00:50 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has joined #scheme 20:02:06 freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has joined #scheme 20:02:32 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:02:45 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 20:05:23 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:06:27 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07:05 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:09:16 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 20:10:02 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 20:16:15 -!- joyfulgirl [~ivy@unaffiliated/joyfulgirl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:19:33 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:30:14 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 20:31:00 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:26 -!- freakazoid [~seanl@66.220.144.73] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:37:30 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 20:38:50 i1126 [~i1126@xdsl-87-79-175-14.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:47:48 keenbug [~daniel@p4FE3B7E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:50:47 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20:51:51 rudybot: init racket 20:51:52 wingo: your sandbox is ready 20:52:03 rudybot: (or (values 1 2) 3) 20:52:03 wingo: error: context expected 1 value, received 2 values: 1 2 20:52:18 rudybot: (or #f (values 1 2)) 20:52:19 wingo: ; 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