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Ideas? 07:53:01 forget my question, it is clear after finish reading that page 07:54:56 -!- markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:56:25 markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #scheme 07:58:02 mario-goulart: hi 07:58:06 djcb [djcb@nat/nokia/x-dutvwhrmujixtjym] has joined #scheme 07:58:08 erm 07:58:12 markskilbeck: hi 08:03:27 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-72.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 08:08:48 qu1j0t3: lols. 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scheme has case? 12:30:50 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-152-12.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 12:30:51 but does not use so called lookup tables/hashetables? 12:30:54 or do you? 12:32:33 keenbug [~daniel@p4FE3930F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 12:32:39 hmm 12:33:37 republican_devil: yes 12:40:10 lol 12:40:33 do you guys use scheme for file stuff? 12:41:05 like irregex to find text, and such? 12:41:17 or just drop into bash etc. when doing file stuff? 12:41:28 CL is the rank and file Lisp 12:42:06 republican_devil: also check out scsh if you're interested in shell tasks with scheme syntax. 12:42:27 ah yes scsh 12:44:28 now thats interesting 12:48:18 andyjpb [~andyjpb@87.114.78.104] has joined #scheme 12:50:38 hmmmmz 12:53:35 samyess [~samyess@tryack.unice.fr] has joined #scheme 12:54:03 bonjour 12:54:09 bonsoir! 12:54:46 -!- republican_devil is now known as azathoth99 12:57:00 salut 12:58:20 thoolihan [~Tim@50.51.54.14] has joined #scheme 12:58:23 -!- farnearer [~user@109.231.202.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:01:05 -!- osa1 [~sinan@141.196.0.102] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:35 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:04:47 -!- wingo [~wingo@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:04:55 hi hi hi 13:06:45 bien le nojour 13:06:56 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 13:09:37 jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:14:41 hello sexy man! 13:15:28 do I have to ask again if you are in the right channel?.... 13:16:40 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 13:18:36 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-74-212.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20:12 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:20:22 -!- zephyrfalcon 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16:08:06 :P 16:11:08 DerGuteMoritz: It's no spoilage; I actually upfrontly asked azathoth99 whether he's gavino, and he said yes. 16:12:02 Well, "spoilage" in the sense of "spoiling the surprise"; but I'm sorry if it spoilt the fun for you. :-P 16:12:47 :-) 16:14:44 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 16:16:46 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has joined #scheme 16:22:28 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 16:27:09 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 16:27:32 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:29:24 kk` [~kk@77.107.164.131] has joined #scheme 16:29:24 -!- kk` [~kk@77.107.164.131] has quit [Changing host] 16:29:24 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 16:34:43 -!- ccorn_ [~ccorn@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn_] 16:47:34 MrFahrenheit 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#scheme 19:06:34 rudybot: 42 19:06:34 cky: your sandbox is ready 19:06:34 cky: ; Value: 42 19:09:35 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-246.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:09:58 rudybot: (display 42) 19:09:58 cky: ; stdout: "42" 19:10:04 rudybot: (display 42 (current-error-port)) 19:10:04 cky: ; stderr: "42" 19:10:41 rudybot: (begin (display 42 (current-error-port)) (display 42) 42) 19:10:41 cky: ; Value: 42 19:10:42 cky: ; stdout: "42" 19:10:43 cky: ; stderr: "42" 19:10:59 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:12:37 where can i get some support from racket? 19:12:50 This channel is fine. 19:12:54 Just ask your question. :-) 19:13:33 I've got a techpack that draws tiles. Unfortunately, I had to kill racket due to inefficiency in my software 19:13:45 now it doesn't draw anything than a blank space :( 19:13:52 after killing it 19:14:22 snizzo: in what sense did you kill it? 19:14:26 did you hit the stop button? 19:14:30 or close drracket? 19:14:34 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 19:14:34 in the sense of kill -9 19:14:37 :) 19:14:52 no it didn't stop clicking stop 19:15:13 so, you had a file in the defintions window 19:15:16 and you ran it 19:15:21 and it produced some tiles 19:15:28 and you killed it with kill -9 19:15:32 and then you opened it again 19:15:41 and then it didn't work? 19:15:42 and it generates blank spaces 19:15:48 without giving any error 19:16:00 also, the space it generates should be correct in proportion 19:16:18 snizzo: what i'm asking is, did it change behavior when you killed it? 19:16:36 yes, but just the output 19:16:45 snizzo: that's very strange 19:16:49 draw tiles -> draw blank space 19:16:53 are you sure that you didn't have some unsaved changes? 19:16:53 yep :/ 19:17:00 sure 19:17:13 can you try it? 19:17:13 are you running it in the same directory you were before? 19:17:16 sure 19:17:20 paste it somewhere 19:19:08 samth: http://pastebin.com/5wD2mWgQ 19:19:41 -!- wingo [~wingo@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:20:29 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 19:22:14 ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #scheme 19:22:21 quick question, just curious about this before i sleep.. 19:22:31 (define x (+ a a)) 19:22:36 that's invalid, i know 19:22:46 how could make something like this? 19:22:50 snizzo: what language level are you using? 19:22:55 i think the intention is clear 19:22:57 ybit: what's invalid about that? 19:22:59 ybit: That's valid 19:23:11 samth: intermediate with lambda 19:23:26 1 ]=> (define x (+ a a)) 19:23:27 ;Unbound variable: a 19:23:36 Then define a :) 19:23:43 but i don't wanna 19:23:49 I don't know what you expected otherwise... 19:23:54 i want it to represent some arbitrary num 19:24:11 this isn't C, we don't do that sort of thing 19:24:12 in haskell, you have types 19:24:15 oh 19:24:27 that is, no arbitrary initialisation 19:24:29 ybit: haskell doesn't let you add unbound variables either 19:25:02 i'm going through the infamous mit course atm while driving to and from school, going through lyah and finishing the python reference docs when i'm at home, but who knows, i might really like macros when i get to that point.. 19:25:04 samth: changing language, it works fine 19:25:12 and i figure i can learn a thing or two about functional programming along the way 19:25:15 snizzo: it works fine 19:25:26 for me in isl+ 19:25:37 samth: yeah, i guess the questions is about type declaration but i can google that 19:25:40 ybit: learning about functional programming is great 19:25:42 i just didn't know what to ask 19:25:51 samth: thank you :D 19:25:51 but what does that have to do with unbound variables? 19:26:44 if i can define a to be a type of number... then couldn't i use it as, er... i forget the name 19:26:59 arguments for a functiona 19:27:01 function* 19:27:20 ybit: no 19:27:26 it has to have a value 19:27:36 this is just as true in Haskell, or Python, or C 19:27:41 hmmm 19:28:25 this might require more reading than i have time for atm :\ 19:28:39 i will idle here and come back later this afternoon after spanish lessons 19:28:48 thanks for the input 19:28:58 really is appreciated 19:29:26 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:32:22 lastwill [~will@188.115.64.156] has joined #scheme 19:35:24 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 19:43:02 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 19:44:24 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:35 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 19:47:53 let add :: (Num a) => a -> a -> a; add a b = a + b 19:48:00 couldn't rest until i figured it out 19:48:11 ofc, i didn't figure it out, it was others helping me 19:48:21 so i'm curious how you do this in scheme 19:48:50 i had the idea, just some incorrect use of syntax 19:49:47 write a constraint solver language for Racket :) 19:49:59 if one doesn't exist already 19:50:53 to write this in scheme, do i need to be familiar with macros? 19:51:39 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 19:52:10 fschwidom [~fschwidom@2.211.214.102] has joined #scheme 19:52:34 samth to the rescue! right? :) 19:53:24 ybit: (define (add a b) (+ a b)) 19:53:34 to learn about the syntax you might have a look at a scheme book or R5RS 19:53:43 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-74-212.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:58 ybit: the rest of it doesn't transfer to scheme -- there aren't types or type classes in scheme 19:54:09 vconst [~vconst@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has joined #scheme 19:54:35 "adding generic functions to scheme" 19:54:41 has.. 19:54:54 (define-generic (add (number? a) (number? b)) 19:55:00 (+ a b) 19:55:21 not really sure that transfers 19:56:01 i guess they wrote the define-macro themselves 19:56:05 define-generic is used as part of an object system, the exact meaning depends on the thing you actually use 19:56:27 for for-each if I use (for-each + '(1 2 3) '(2 4 6) '(3 6 9)) then would that be treated as (for-each + '(3 6 9) '(3 6 9)) ? that is, the first and second lists have procedure applied to it and the next call to for-each works on a pair of lists again? (in the case where we don't have just a single list and suppose our procedure has arity n) 19:56:54 http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/ftpdir/scheme-7.5/7.5.17/doc-html/sos_5.html 19:56:54 http://tinyurl.com/8439nv2 19:57:01 guess it's a common macro used 19:57:11 rudybot: eval (for-each list '(1 2 3) '(2 4 6) '(3 6 9)) 19:57:12 ijp: your r5rs sandbox is ready 19:57:12 ijp: Done. 19:57:19 rudybot: eval (display (for-each list '(1 2 3) '(2 4 6) '(3 6 9))) 19:57:19 ijp: ; stdout: "#" 19:57:25 rudybot: damn you 19:57:26 ijp: Damn RTL text rendering -- which side of the line does the script appear on? 19:57:42 vconst: anyway, no. + would get three arguments 19:57:53 scheme is not haskell 19:57:54 *ijp* should have used map 19:58:12 annodomini [~lambda@2001:470:1f07:189:21a3:5660:c672:5239] has joined #scheme 19:58:12 -!- annodomini [~lambda@2001:470:1f07:189:21a3:5660:c672:5239] has quit [Changing host] 19:58:12 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 19:58:27 (define-generic (add (number? a) (number? b)) (+ a b)) 19:58:33 sure because + has arity n and you could write such a + procedure in terms of a binary + procedure 19:58:36 gives ;Unbound variable: b 19:59:12 so could for-each be written in terms of a binary for-each where we have more than 1 list? 19:59:30 vconst: why? 19:59:33 -!- sjamaan [~sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has left #scheme 19:59:37 why what? 19:59:43 so... you can't do this in scheme 19:59:43 not really, consider (lambda (x y z) (write x) (write y) (write z)) 19:59:48 vconst: why do you ask that 20:00:07 C-Keen: he's probably writing it himself, and wants to be lazy :P 20:00:18 because I'm trying to write for-each as an exercise and I would like to support n arguments 20:00:32 ijp: he probably translated some partial application idea from haskell and hopes that it works for scheme 20:00:43 yes, probably 20:00:56 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:01:21 heh no, why do you say that? I have only touched haskell once 20:01:25 vconst: in scheme a procedure gets its arguments as a list, just use that 20:02:11 (define (foo . args) (...)) 20:02:32 -!- lastwill [~will@188.115.64.156] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:02:37 I don't think it is as straightforward as that unless I am mistaken. Consider: (define (for-each proc l1 . l2) ... 20:02:51 ah, you are defining it slighting differently. Maybe that could work. 20:02:52 Or (define foo (lambda args ...)) 20:04:03 vconst: or (define (foo proc . lsts ) ...) 20:07:29 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 20:09:34 I suspect though that scheme defines for-each as (define (for-each proc l1 . l2) ... since a call to (for-each + ) would give 'wrong number of arguments' 20:12:54 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-92.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:15:11 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 20:18:42 yes 20:18:56 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-163-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:18:56 -!- fschwidom [~fschwidom@2.211.214.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:19:18 or it checks whether lst is empty 20:19:25 *lsts 20:20:21 my scheme defines it as you said 20:20:36 # 20:24:51 yeah, that's how I am defining it just not sure how to break it all down to a binary case when using a procedure that supports n arguments. e.g., (for-each + '(1 2 3) '(2 4 6) '(3 6 9)) doesn't call + on 1 2 3 (using the car of eahc list as an example) but rather applies it in a binary fashion so it reduces to (+ (+ 1 2) 3) I think 20:25:06 so I would need to save the results in a list until I reduce the problem to just two such lists 20:25:53 just iterate over the lists 20:26:17 so...back to what i was saying 20:26:19 (define (add a b) (+ a b)) 20:26:26 that works 20:26:35 (define add (a b) (+ a b)) 20:26:36 doesn't 20:26:42 define: too many arguments for # 20:26:54 oh i guess it's because it takes two args and not three 20:27:00 (define (foo bar)...) is just a short form of (define foo (lambda (bar) ...)) 20:27:02 or (define add (lambda (a b) (+ a b))) 20:28:11 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 20:28:15 aha 20:28:20 ybit: why don't you read an introductory text to scheme first. It would save you a bit of time 20:28:33 eh, i just had this one question 20:28:38 sure 20:28:56 but it shows that you don't understand how definitions work at all 20:29:07 vconst: if you want to do it that way, you're going to have to manually partially evaluate the function, with something like curryn 20:29:27 read the first chapter of sicp the other day and then watched the first half of the 6.011 lecture from the 80s and went over the high points of what i read 20:29:28 but it would be better just to apply the function to the car of each list all at once and use apply 20:29:43 and since i'm having to drive to and from school regularly, i've just decided to listen on my way 20:29:50 and watch at red lights : 20:29:51 P 20:30:45 -!- vconst [~vconst@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 20:31:42 ybit: alright, read on, it will come to you... 20:31:44 bbl 20:36:46 -!- snizzo [~quassel@host43-235-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the 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