00:03:03 -!- ijp [~user@host86-169-26-126.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 00:27:36 -!- snizzo [~Claudio@95.232.237.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:23 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-235-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:31:59 -!- choas [~lars@p4FDC5BA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:35:15 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 00:40:27 -!- Em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:45:25 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-144-112.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:55:27 -!- zmv [~zmv@187.38.16.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:58:47 sdegutis [~sdegutis@38.98.177.253] has joined #scheme 00:59:49 what do you guys think? if i wrote a simple lisp variant (a minimal scheme-ish one) in Chicken Scheme, would it be faster or slower or comparable to Ruby? 01:01:43 Em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #scheme 01:02:21 sdegutis: What's the purpose, when you can use Scheme directly? 01:02:51 adding literal hash-table and vector syntax 01:02:58 lets just pretend i have good reasons. 01:03:13 how do you think it might compare to Ruby? 01:04:08 Pretend, lol. 01:04:42 As far as vector literals go, all Schemes have it; and Racket has hash literals too. 01:05:21 sdegutis: The key is to make your program static enough that it's possible to optimise. 01:05:36 sdegutis: In particular, do not support monkey patching. :-P 01:05:45 so lets say i dont have a good reason but im gonna do it anyway cuz im stupid 01:05:48 s/program/language/ 01:05:53 if you were to write one dead-simple with no optimizatinos, in chicken scheme, how would it compare to Ruby? 01:06:03 It would suck just as bad as Ruby. 01:06:08 you don't need to write a "lisp variant" in order to get hash literals 01:06:15 so the same speed? 01:06:19 turbofail: Indeed; a custom reader will do it. 01:06:21 that would really just be a simple read macro 01:06:31 Well, that too. 01:07:13 sdegutis: Ruby is hard to optimise well, because it's so dynamic. 01:07:15 it might still be a little better than ruby if you implement local variables in a manner that doesn't require a hash lookup 01:07:25 sdegutis: It's flexible, but slow. 01:07:28 turbofail: Right. 01:08:00 -!- djcb [~user@a88-112-255-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:08:16 turbofail: My point was that function bindings, etc., are too easy to change in Ruby, because of monkey patching. 01:08:33 So you always reliably do away with the extra level of indirection. 01:08:49 Insert "can't" in the last sentence. 01:09:28 sdegutis: what is it about Ruby that you want to *keep* 01:09:59 ...given that you seem to want to write lisp, or "scheme-ish" lisp 01:10:32 -!- sdegutis [~sdegutis@38.98.177.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:11:10 the problem with Ruby is it's promiscuously dynamic 01:11:35 there's no way to indicate that something isn't expected to chang 01:11:36 e 01:14:14 You _can_ freeze an object, but I seldom see programmers use it. 01:14:51 freakazoid: what you expect and what everyone else expects are different sometimes :) 01:15:01 lies! 01:16:00 The fact that Ruby relies on monkey-patching for so many things and makes it so syntactically convenient makes me feel icky 01:16:14 of course, that's a fundamental problem with that sort of OO 01:16:28 versus CLOS-style 01:16:35 there are legitimate uses for monkey patching 01:16:49 yes, but most of Ruby's aren't 01:19:43 sdegutis [~sdegutis@38.98.177.253] has joined #scheme 01:19:56 sorry my connexion sucks, i didnt see anything after the last thing isaid 01:22:40 sdegutis: Look in the /topic, the second link is the channel logs. 01:24:06 nice 01:25:14 i basically want clojure (but im fine with omitting the threading stuff and java-interop) 01:25:24 Then, you should use Clojure directly. 01:25:26 and i want to make it an interpreter, not reliant on java. 01:25:51 so i can run it the same way i run ruby. 01:25:51 and use it in place of ruby but without having java be a dependency. 01:25:54 sdegutis: There are Clojure implementations for other platforms. 01:26:10 yeah, i want one that is a stand-alone executable interpreter 01:26:13 of which there are none (yet) 01:26:20 sdegutis: I'm going to pukke.3 01:26:23 *puke 01:26:37 thats fine 01:28:07 but a lot of clojure's utility is in its access to java's standard libraries, like for i/o and such 01:28:14 you would have to reimplement all of that 01:28:14 100% agree. 01:28:44 chicken has done well in that regard, its got lots of eggs with c-interop 01:28:51 One day I want to implement Clojure-on-LLVM (in the same way there's ClojureScript and Clojure-CLR), but, have to figure out how to do interop well there. 01:29:05 Like, JVM and .NET have reflective metadata. 01:29:10 C libraries, generally, do not. 01:29:30 well i was basically planning on doing it the ruby-ish way 01:29:44 sdegutis: I don't know you. And for that, I'm very glad. 01:29:48 you write C functions that take Lisp objects and return one. 01:29:52 cky: thats mean. 01:30:11 i strongly advise you to pray the Rosary and go to Church 01:30:22 sdegutis: No, you. 01:30:26 you could take a look at chibi scheme 01:30:45 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:31:06 ski: i do, you should do it too 01:31:12 sdegutis: I don't mean to be mean. However, what I understand you're trying to accomplish is very offensive to me. 01:31:32 how so? 01:31:53 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:31:59 sdegutis: That's like saying you want to make a C interpreter. Sure, it can be done, but why? 01:32:04 speaking of which, much of what most people do is very offensive to God and therefore to me. so i sympathize with you 01:32:36 well, no good reason. 01:32:40 because its fun, i suppose is my only good reason 01:33:55 Hmmm. 01:34:03 are you a Catholic too 01:34:04 ? 01:34:07 No. 01:34:19 you should try it. its awesome. better than going to hell, anyway. 01:34:52 I almost did, in my teenage days. I have since realised that it's not my life path. 01:35:01 ah, that sucks. 01:35:11 i dont want you to go to hell. you should reconsider the Catholic Church. 01:35:31 hell is only very painful, not good at all, and it lasts a long time (it never ends actually) 01:36:40 but thats the negative side of the story, its not the only side.. theres also Heaven, which is perfectly happy and wondeful all the time, nothing less, and it never ends either 01:39:44 anyway its all true, just look it up, you'll see it for yourself, its real life. 01:39:50 gtg, writing a clojure clone in chicken 01:39:53 -!- sdegutis [~sdegutis@38.98.177.253] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:40:23 lol 01:40:27 :-) 01:40:49 I was halfway through writing a response before he left. Oh well. 01:41:26 Anyway, I have something to share with everybody in this channel, but especially eli (and you'll see why in a minute). 01:42:10 http://twitpic.com/7i22cb 01:44:44 (For people without a graphical web browser, it's a North Carolina licence plate that reads "CALL/CC".) 01:44:45 wow. cky i'll see YOU in hell! 01:44:55 qu1j0t3: :-) 01:44:58 :) 02:03:47 cky: you've made my day... (actually, night) 02:04:50 annihilator [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has joined #scheme 02:05:04 whitequark: Glad to be of help. :-) 02:06:25 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 02:07:57 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:09:53 -!- blackened [~blackened@ip-89-102-29-120.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: blackened] 02:21:52 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:26:16 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-16-184.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:15 cky: too bad here in Russia we don't have customizable license plates 02:39:29 and they're of form a000aa 02:40:16 (not that I have a car, through. but this _is_ a reason to get one.) 02:41:13 Awwwww.... 02:42:30 just get a tattoo instead 02:42:32 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:42:49 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 02:42:55 Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-45-242.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 02:43:08 it has some undesirable connotations 02:43:28 in some contexts. 02:45:46 (re sdegutis) somehow most, if not almost all, ruby people I see on irc are freaks or something like that. I wonder why. Other media, per my experience, does not have such a tendency. 02:51:56 jrapdx [~jra@c-76-105-198-230.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:52:10 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-32-45-242.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:54:21 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 03:00:05 it was weird though -- if he wants ruby, why did he say he wants to write "scheme-ish" lisp?? 03:00:14 it's not like there is a shortage of this already 03:01:11 no idea 03:18:25 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@177.32.222.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:36:37 -!- sphex_ is now known as sphex 03:40:14 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 03:40:48 githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:41:11 -!- turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:41:25 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:48:34 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'(y) 'y) 08:14:13 pjb: your r5rs sandbox is ready 08:14:13 pjb: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: eql? in module: 'program 08:14:18 rudybot: (eqv? '(y) 'y) 08:14:18 pjb: ; Value: #f 08:14:51 Operaist2: can't you see that (y) is a list while y is a symbol? 08:19:57 i cant 08:20:02 sorry 08:20:21 -!- sphex [~nobody@74.127.215.20] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:32 sphex [~nobody@74.127.215.20] has joined #scheme 08:20:55 why here: http://community.schemewiki.org/?sicp-ex-1.29 in the second box the person uses (* 1 y) instead of y? 08:24:00 -!- Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-110-169-224-215.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:55 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-110-169-224-215.revip5.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 08:28:07 anyone? 08:33:04 Operaist2: no reason that I can see 08:33:54 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:39:47 tom_i [~thomasing@cmc.beaming.biz] has joined #scheme 08:41:42 -!- Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-110-169-224-215.revip5.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:43:07 hkBst: for the symetry (* 1 y) (* 2 y) (* 4 y)... 08:43:22 +m 08:44:11 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 08:47:59 pjb: does not look very symetrical to me :-/ I would have liked (* y (if (or...) 1 (if ... 2 3))) better. 08:48:22 (except with 4 instead of 3 :-]) 08:53:46 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #scheme 08:54:14 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-124-120-21-15.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 09:02:56 can i use more than 2 cases for if? 09:02:56 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:11 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #scheme 09:03:11 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 09:03:11 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 09:04:34 Operaist2: yes. 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20:24:58 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:26:22 -!- tom_i [~thomasing@ingserv.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:30:07 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 20:30:30 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 20:33:08 It really depends on your implementation 20:33:23 http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2007/10/26/sicp-334/ gives one way for Racket 20:35:33 presumably MIT scheme provides it 20:37:47 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 20:39:32 -!- mmc [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:42:42 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 20:43:21 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 20:45:46 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:53:26 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:57:33 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-235-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:57:35 -!- bsod1 [~sinan@141.196.164.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:58:29 bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has joined #scheme 20:58:36 -!- samth_ [~samth@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:01:42 -!- bytbox [~s@129.2.129.231] has quit [Client Quit] 21:12:02 Nisstyre [~yours@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 21:15:00 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #scheme 21:25:38 Guest49170 [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-239.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:25:42 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-239.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:26:27 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:28:01 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #scheme 21:28:24 -!- Guest49170 [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-239.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:30:06 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 21:31:07 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-239.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:31:26 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-239.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-225.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:56 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-239.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:35:47 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-191-238-172.cust.tele2.se] has left #scheme 21:36:40 snorble [~snorble@s83-191-238-172.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 21:37:27 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:41:35 fridim_ [~fridim@78.250.252.222] has joined #scheme 21:41:57 -!- homie` is now known as homie 21:43:50 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 21:48:02 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C43573.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:49:51 keenbug [~daniel@p4FDB7EBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 21:57:40 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 21:59:10 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 21:59:10 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:59:10 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 22:06:11 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 22:06:58 ASau [~user@89-178-95-171.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 22:11:20 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 22:12:13 -!- shoerain [~mortimer@wc249-118.resnet.stonybrook.edu] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 22:13:13 shoerain [~mortimer@wc249-118.resnet.stonybrook.edu] has joined #scheme 22:13:22 -!- shoerain [~mortimer@wc249-118.resnet.stonybrook.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 22:15:07 Rans [~Kamakazi@ool-45714017.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 22:18:29 Quick question: which is the more popular name for a '()? Empty or null? 22:19:48 probably null 22:20:14 masm [~masm@bl15-235-73.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 22:21:12 Rans: I call it the empty list :| 22:21:37 the empty list 22:21:50 there is no null in scheme 22:22:11 hopefully empty 22:22:21 I had meant to ask, rather, would you code it in your program as '(), empty, or null? 22:22:42 XTL: may your empty lists runneth over 22:22:55 Rans: the scheme I use accepts only '() 22:24:32 Huh. Interesting. 22:25:06 shoerain [~mortimer@wc249-118.resnet.stonybrook.edu] has joined #scheme 22:25:56 It's normally pronounced 'nill'. It's the predicate that's written 'null?' 22:26:09 I keep a (define empty '()) around in my personal (utils) library, but null is probably more appropriate given the existence of the null? predicate 22:27:25 ijp: do you have a (define empty? null?) too? 22:27:34 *qu1j0t3* is just curious 22:28:01 Alright. I was just curious. I had never come across 'empty' before until today. Thanks for the answers. 22:28:05 *Rans* pops off. 22:28:07 nil* sorry. 22:28:12 -!- Rans [~Kamakazi@ool-45714017.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28:16 I don't, no. 22:28:22 rudybot: consistency is overrated 22:28:22 ijp: here is a list of popular theft movies: http://www.whatmakesaman.net/wordpress/2008/02/23/caper-movies-a-celebration-of-the-30-best-capers/ 22:29:00 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:33:08 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:34:10 wingo [~wingo@95.214.56.66] has joined #scheme 22:35:36 oink 22:36:14 ribbit 22:40:49 -!- shoerain [~mortimer@wc249-118.resnet.stonybrook.edu] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 22:40:58 shoerain [~mortimer@wc249-118.resnet.stonybrook.edu] has joined #scheme 22:42:07 -!- shoerain [~mortimer@wc249-118.resnet.stonybrook.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 22:42:45 shoerain [~mortimer@wc249-118.resnet.stonybrook.edu] has joined #scheme 22:44:23 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-164-109.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:48:12 augiedoggie [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has joined #scheme 22:49:05 This is beautiful: 22:49:07 incubot: (let () (define x 2)) x 22:49:07 Error: unbound variable: x 22:49:24 In Clojure, (let [] (def x 2)) x => 2. 22:50:00 Dammit; why can't anybody get anything right anymore? It's like humanity went into senescence in the 1960s, never to return. 22:50:33 rudybot: doc splicing-let 22:50:33 samth: your racket/init sandbox is ready 22:50:34 samth: no docs for a current binding, but provided by: racket/splicing 22:50:41 rudybot: (require racket/splicing) 22:50:41 samth: Done. 22:50:59 rudybot: eval (splicing-let () (define x 2)) 22:50:59 samth: Done. 22:51:03 rudybot: eval x 22:51:03 samth: ; Value: 2 22:51:08 klutometis: :) 22:51:34 -!- augiedoggie [~cpr@unaffiliated/cpr420] has left #scheme 22:51:47 samth: Nice; which corroborates my point, I think: if you want that sort of pathological behavior in Scheme, you can ask for it. 22:51:55 neat 22:55:21 it also happens with nested defines instead of lets :-( 22:58:08 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 22:58:12 fantazo [~fantazo@178-190-233-252.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 22:59:35 pyro-: So it does; but check this out: 22:59:37 incubot: (define x (define y 2)) y 22:59:37 2 22:59:44 incubot: (define (x) (define y 2)) y 22:59:44 Error: unbound variable: y 23:00:13 -!- keenbug [~daniel@p4FDB7EBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:00:22 (define x (define y 2)) isn't standard though, so anything goes 23:00:22 wingo_ [~wingo@95.214.22.156] has joined #scheme 23:01:31 -!- wingo [~wingo@95.214.56.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:02:14 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 23:02:35 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:05 what type of scheme does incubot understand? 23:03:15 kuribas [~user@d54C43573.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 23:03:19 ijp: Really? It seems to be consistent with , though: -> (define ) ... 23:03:19 http://tinyurl.com/nnofal 23:03:33 Or does exclude ? 23:03:52 I believe so 23:04:10 pyro-: It's running an ancient Chicken. 23:04:14 incubot: (chicken-version) 23:04:14 3.4.0 23:05:13 the various schemes i have installed are about half and half error out/same as incubot 23:05:42 expression -> variable | literal | procedure call | lambda expression | conditional | assignment | derived expression | macro use | macro block 23:05:44 pyro-: Interesting. 23:06:44 Exception: invalid context for definition (define y 2) 23:06:51 "a definition was found where an expression was expected" 23:06:52 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 23:07:04 Can't bind name in null syntactic environment 23:07:19 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@sf-vxty.basistech.com] has joined #scheme 23:07:39 ijp: I can't seem to find the expansion for ; but I take it it excludes . 23:07:57 assignment refers to set! only 23:08:10 see 7.1.3 Expressions 23:08:40 ijp: Are you looking at R5RS? 23:09:00 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-68-81-125-196.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:09:12 Must be, the section is the same. 23:09:50 yes, I have a printout of it nearby 23:10:07 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:23 ijp: Oh, weird: the HTML version of R5RS is defective! 23:10:36 Good to know; sure enough, it shows up in the PDF. 23:11:34 Yes, it seems to be missing about half of the definition of 23:11:59 *klutometis* makes a public service anouncment: "the HTML version of R5RS is defective, everyone go home." 23:12:27 :) 23:12:42 klutometis: no, no, this could provoke some epic flamewars 23:12:50 klutometis: it's time to grab a bourbon and sit back 23:13:04 qu1j0t3: Heh. 23:13:53 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@62.101.144.112] has joined #scheme 23:16:42 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-144-112.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:17:06 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.204.209] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 23:20:13 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:20:34 qu1j0t3: beware, grabbing a bourbon could provoke similar flamewars 23:26:34 snizzo [~Claudio@95.232.237.169] has joined #scheme 23:33:31 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 23:34:10 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@78.250.252.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:38:30 DerGuteMoritz: hm, good point. does it depend WHERE you grab them? 23:38:47 -!- wingo_ [~wingo@95.214.22.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:41:27 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme