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It really is out. 00:16:06 Congrats, Racket team. :-) 00:16:12 Cool. 00:16:22 I saw the announcement in c.l.s 00:16:43 isn't c.l.s. mostly spam these days? 00:16:46 jcowan: I was away the last few days at Clojure/conj, so I missed anything that came up. 00:16:50 jcowan: Oh, BTW. 00:16:56 ? 00:17:04 jcowan: I was chatting to Brian @ Meetup.com, who attended Clojure/conj. 00:17:13 jcowan: He said he was really impressed by your R7RS talk. 00:17:20 Great. 00:17:42 It seemed like most of the attendees were, and it got a good reception at Scheme 2011 when Art Gleckler gave it. 00:17:57 Nice. :-) 00:19:13 I'm also glad that people didn't make me feel like an outcast during the conference. I mean, I know 0% Clojure. :-P 00:19:29 I'm going to edumacate myself in that department, though. 00:21:34 Dan Friedman and William Byrd attended the conference also, to talk about the next edition of The Reasoned Schemer (still in progress). That was awesome. :-) 00:22:31 Well, not so much about the book, but the cKanren system, that does constraint-based logic. 00:22:58 It was awesome, because you could specify what result you wanted, and it would generate functions that returned those results. 00:23:18 Granted, many of the functions so generated were quite hilarious, but it was still an awesome demonstration. 00:32:35 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 00:32:51 jwd_ [~jwd@cable-118-42.sssnet.com] has joined #scheme 00:32:58 zmv [~daniel@177.24.198.104] has joined #scheme 00:36:13 -!- gozoner [~ebg@128.149.8.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:55:15 chromaticwt [~user@70-56-219-194.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 01:01:32 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:03:06 cky: Did a medium-sized project in Clojure recently (and work with a dude, by the way, who said that Muller-Molina's talk on "Hacking the Genome" was great); 01:03:25 if you can get over the "well-protect-you-from-mutation" vibe and all the square brackets, it's actually not bad. 01:03:31 s/well/we'll/ 01:04:26 -!- drdo [~drdo@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:06:43 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-212.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:04 without mutation, how will i ever develop the ability to shoot blasts of energy out of my eyes? 01:10:46 clearly rhickey has not thought this through entirely 01:10:56 ... 01:11:08 klutometis: are you a weechat convert yet? :) 01:15:28 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-210-148-9.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:58 I was just thinking there weren't enough IRC clients in the world. 01:18:46 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:19:07 klutometis: Very nice. 01:20:53 freakazoid: after finding weechat I have decided that yeah, there are probably enough :) 01:21:02 heh 01:21:52 We need a BSD-licensed one based 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Uhoh! 13:57:38 hahaha! 13:58:04 I'd hoped I'd have garbage-collected that by now! 13:58:05 every ampersand has its comma 13:58:15 that's a nice quasiquote 13:58:21 *wingo* auto-groans 13:58:28 -!- lolwut is now known as zmv 14:06:39 -!- zmv [~daniel@c953352c.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:08:19 zmv [~daniel@c953352c.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 14:11:39 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.250.89] has joined #scheme 14:15:52 keenbug [~daniel@p4FE3BE78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 14:31:39 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:53 tupi [~david@187.80.165.153] has joined #scheme 14:45:31 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 14:45:36 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #scheme 14:55:52 -!- y4m4 [fharshav@nat/redhat/x-irqmgncvdwdruwwb] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:58:23 chromaticwt [~user@71-222-128-203.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 15:01:16 -!- copumpkin 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connection. 15:33:37 klutometis: interesting thanks. 15:46:15 freakazoid [~seanl@c-67-164-106-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:46:53 which leads to the question, which gc technique does the brain use? 15:47:08 my money would be on a generational collector 15:47:26 stop-and-copy of course 15:47:37 ;) 15:47:43 :-) 15:47:58 qu1j0t3: I like the characterization of sleep as a "collective synchronization phenomenon"; the brain, furthermore, as "a collection of neurons whose interconnections are driven by a biochemical reward-punishment system." 15:48:05 Too bad it's merely speculative. 15:48:08 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 15:48:27 wingo: Heh. 15:50:12 tupi [~david@187.80.165.153] has joined #scheme 15:51:04 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.207.97] has joined #scheme 15:53:37 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.207.97] has quit [Client Quit] 15:53:37 snizzo [~quassel@iglu.cc.uniud.it] has joined #scheme 16:01:45 -!- zmv 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