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FreeBSD takes me already enough time 03:04:30 But you're right, it doesn't seem to read from stdin. 03:05:23 $ time php -r 'echo 3.141+5;' 03:05:24 8.141 03:05:26 real 0m0.393s 03:06:01 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.27.236] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6-rc2] 03:08:26 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-197.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14:50 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-197.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 03:18:06 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:50 evhan [~evhan@unaffiliated/evhan] has joined #scheme 03:20:22 -!- evhan [~evhan@unaffiliated/evhan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:21:53 evhan [~evhan@unaffiliated/evhan] has joined #scheme 03:22:54 -!- ijp [~user@host31-52-22-233.range31-52.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 03:23:42 -!- evhan [~evhan@unaffiliated/evhan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28:48 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 03:30:16 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:30:36 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 03:36:02 I'll try installing a current Gambit 03:38:11 I have a 4.6.1 on my system, but installation must have failed for some reason: retrying. 03:41:54 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #scheme 03:42:38 SidH_ [~SidH@203.101.61.10] has joined #scheme 03:44:16 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has left #scheme 04:01:43 coderdad [~coderdad@ip68-97-195-24.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #scheme 04:04:53 eli: thanks! 04:05:11 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08:17 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:08:17 samth [~samth@12.21.1.3] has joined #scheme 04:10:38 -!- coderdad [~coderdad@ip68-97-195-24.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:12:14 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-123.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 04:14:46 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 04:21:11 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:24:44 -!- jrslepak_ [~jrslepak@c-71-233-151-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:26:53 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-197.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:28:38 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-197.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 04:31:16 -!- joyfulgirl [~ivy@unaffiliated/joyfulgirl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39:08 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-197.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:41:20 -!- jimmyrcom [~fold@adsl-75-53-33-186.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:52:24 freakazoid [~seanl@c-67-164-106-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:55:38 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:55:50 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-139-160.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 04:56:20 Operaist2 [~OperaIst@ppp-115-87-121-171.revip4.asianet.co.th] has joined #scheme 04:56:39 scheme doesnt have = You mean <= ? 05:00:11 githogori_ [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:00:25 -!- ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@24-246-40-169.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01:13 -!- githogori_ [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:21 githogori_ [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:01:48 -!- githogori_ [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:34 ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@24-246-40-169.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 05:03:27 how do you print in scheme? 05:04:29 display 05:05:13 Darntwitch [~Snarkozar@216-45-228-34-minneapolis-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 05:07:28 does (cond ((n > 1) (display n) (n+1))... work? 05:09:44 (cond ((> n 1) (begin (display n) (+ n 1))) 05:09:51 remember to use prefix notation instead of infix 05:10:19 what does the begin do? 05:10:22 Why don't you read something about scheme, Operaist2? It's not a large language. 05:10:44 it makes operations happen in sequence 05:10:49 gravicappa: i am reading one right now 05:11:04 its like making a block of code in other languages 05:11:07 jonrafkind: so without begin, the order would be random? 05:11:28 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:11:29 no without begin your statements would conflict with the syntax that cond expects 05:11:40 jonrafkind, cond clause can contain several expressions. There is no need for begin. 05:11:41 oh wait actually that should work 05:12:01 so yea just using prefix notation should suffice 05:14:03 how do you get a new line? 05:14:49 (newline) 05:29:06 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-16.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:29:11 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-16.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:31:11 evhan [~evhan@unaffiliated/evhan] has joined #scheme 05:51:21 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-248-18.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:54:29 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-123.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:08:44 what does unspecified return value mean 06:09:05 Operaist2: it means that each implementations choose what it wants to return. 06:17:51 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:19:34 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 06:23:32 pjb: im getting this when i run a procedure, i am expecting some sort of number 06:23:48 The return some sort of number. 06:23:51 Then 06:26:24 Operaist2: (let ((some-sort-of-number 42)) (procedure) some-sort-of-number) 06:26:28 instead of (procedure). 06:35:20 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-197.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:40:53 Operaist2: why do you expect a number? 06:41:08 What number should return "(newline)"? 06:41:49 Well, he said a procedure, not specifically newline. 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continuations, anything is possible, but I meant without.) 20:18:32 hehee 20:18:35 ;-) 20:18:44 yeah I found myself in that situation quite a few times 20:18:49 Indeed. 20:18:54 maybe something like and-fold would be nice to have 20:19:18 or whatever suitable name there is 20:19:21 *nods* 20:19:24 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:19:35 DerGuteMoritz: filter-map? 20:19:35 -!- jrslepak_ [~jrslepak@209.117.47.254] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:19:46 sjamaan: not quite the same, it also doesn't short-circuit! 20:19:51 true 20:20:32 `find' and `any' are quite specific, so a short-circuitable version of `fold' would be nice 20:20:46 to have something more generic 20:21:20 Indeed. 20:22:29 ahinki [~chatzilla@AAmiens-551-1-26-222.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 20:22:55 -!- bbsch [~bbs@c-67-173-0-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bbsch] 20:23:19 snizzo [~quassel@host48-10-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 20:25:47 `or` is not a function, right? I can't pass it to another function as a parameter? 20:27:16 No, because otherwise it couldn't short-circuit. You can, of course, do (lambda (x y) (or x y)) 20:28:39 ijp: right, thanks 20:29:36 Of course, you lose the short-circuiting by doing that. :-P 20:29:55 rgrinberg [~rudi@24.52.246.61] has joined #scheme 20:29:58 (lambda (x y) (or (x) (y))) 20:30:09 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 20:30:26 and then wrap your values in thunks :-P 20:30:30 DerGuteMoritz: :-D 20:30:41 (lambda (x y) (or (force x) (force y))) 20:30:42 ;-) 20:31:24 Apart from the memoisation machinery, it'd be very similar to your thunk approach. 20:31:48 hmm, would it be more confusing for people if 'or' was an identifier macro that expanded to (lambda (x y) (or x y)) if not used in the head position? 20:32:16 ijp: That's a terrible suggestion, because then that loses the short-circuiting without people realising it. :-( 20:32:32 true, and it may teach them bad habits later on, when the try to (map lambda ...) 20:32:45 Yep. 20:33:22 ijp: also you can't define the functional version of `or' to accept arbitrary many arguments 20:33:30 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@177.32.222.155] has quit [Quit: Out of quarters] 20:33:36 at least not when implementing it in Scheme 20:34:53 Graham discusses OR macros in "On Lisp" 20:35:22 of course you could, (lambda args (any values args)) 20:35:48 it doesn't make up for the call-by-value, but still 20:36:36 ah like that you mean, alright :-) 20:36:43 realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has joined #scheme 20:40:55 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 20:43:37 -!- turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:02 -!- homie`` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-184-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:47:11 -!- wbooze`` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-184-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:49:29 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-184-223.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:49:50 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-184-223.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:54:39 -!- samth [~samth@12.21.1.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:56:36 snizzo_ [~quassel@host9-48-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 20:57:18 -!- snizzo [~quassel@host48-10-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:58:29 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 20:58:55 -!- pjb is now known as Guest71767 20:59:17 -!- Guest71767 is now known as pjb` 20:59:29 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 21:08:35 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-131-65.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 21:09:18 -!- ijp [~user@host86-180-108-79.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:10:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-218-233.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:02 Does anyone think there could be potential problems using my symbol type in my interpreter for identifiers in macros? I've extended them so they can optionally contain a closure, which causes the symbol to evaluate in that env 21:11:17 But now I've got closed symbols and symbols with the same name being eqv? 21:11:20 :< 21:11:27 *imphasing* is implementing explicit renaming macros, btw 21:19:55 snizzo [~quassel@host9-48-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 21:20:11 ijp [~user@host86-180-108-79.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 21:20:37 -!- snizzo_ [~quassel@host9-48-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:24:31 -!- ijp [~user@host86-180-108-79.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:25:16 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:25:25 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@204.38.4.80] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 21:27:54 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@AAmiens-551-1-26-222.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:28 amoe 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