00:06:37 replore_ [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #scheme 00:09:24 DrDuck1 [~duck@user-24-236-92-111.knology.net] has joined #scheme 00:09:37 Hi, guys. 00:10:01 Does anyone know of a blogger plugin which supports Scheme syntax highlighting? 00:11:20 -!- DrDuck1 is now known as DrDuck 00:13:40 http://alexgorbatchev.com/SyntaxHighlighter/ sounds like you can use this somehow 00:19:20 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:45 jonrafkind: That does not support scheme. 00:26:49 oh whoops 00:29:32 :[ 00:31:31 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:32:46 DrDuck: There's also prettify, but, that's browser-side highlighting. 00:33:37 Browser-side highlighting? 00:33:42 What's that, cky? 00:34:16 DrDuck: It means that the highlighting is done using JavaScript. 00:34:18 I would just like to get some syntax highlighting similiar to billthelizard's: http://billthelizard.com/ I want to start documenting my SICP trials and tribulations. 00:34:25 Ahh, I see. 00:34:34 Hahahaha, Bill the Lizard. What a small world. 00:35:09 (High-flying user on Stack Overflow. At one time a mod; not sure if he still is.) 00:35:18 :D 00:35:34 smtlaissezfaire_ [~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has joined #scheme 00:35:42 DrDuck: You have no idea how many people I meet on Stack Overflow. :-P 00:35:55 How do you do such? 00:36:03 In fact, I got my current job (coming up to 3 years now) through none other than people I met at...Stack Overflow. 00:36:05 Conferences? 00:36:16 That is awesome news. 00:36:20 DrDuck: I don't mean meatspace meeting. :-) 00:36:22 Gives me hope for after graduation. 00:36:43 DrDuck: Though, I did meet Jeff Atwood in meatspace, which was fun. 00:37:18 I'd like to go to a conference this year. Don't even care what kind, as long as it's programming related. What are they like? 00:38:05 DrDuck: Where do you live? 00:38:11 Alabama. 00:38:25 DrDuck: Hah, funnily enough, that's where I currently am (visiting sister-in-law for her wedding). 00:38:32 O_O 00:39:02 So, which part of Alabama are you in? 00:39:31 Which part are you in? O_o 00:39:45 Lol. Montgomery area. 00:39:58 Though, visited Birmingham a couple of times this week for various occasions. 00:40:02 I'm in the Huntsville area. 00:40:32 Oh, neat! Then you shouldn't lack for programming conferences. :-P 00:41:51 I live in Raleigh, NC; the Raleigh-Durham area has lots of programming people around, and Clojure/conj will be held there this year. 00:41:54 Whyzat? I don't think we have any here. I do remember going to Chicago a few weeks ago and seeing tons of job offers for S/E and arriving a few days late of an Android conference. :| 00:42:13 Huh, I thought Huntsville is the tech area in Alabama. 00:43:16 Yeah, but that's relative the the state of Alabama. Heh. Not comparable to the other sweet spots in the nation. There are abundant job opportunities here, but as far as things outside of the scope of work go, such as conferences, you can forget about it! 00:44:12 Well, true, I guess Huntsville isn't Atlanta (and even so, Atlanta doesn't have as many programming conferences as, say, NYC or Boston, as far as I remember). 00:44:44 Yep. :[ 00:45:29 I want to try to go to Google I/O 2012, though. I've been saving up to go to one conference this year, in fact. :D 00:45:37 That's really the only one I know much about. 00:45:50 I'd like to have a way to find out about more. 00:46:25 RacketCon was on a couple of months ago. :-P 00:46:27 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:46:35 It was even free! You did have to make your way to Boston, though. 00:46:41 :| 00:46:43 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:49:04 Hmm. I dont think billthelizard even has syntax highlighting. 00:49:37 Hah, I should get in touch with Bill and see if he's interested in attending Clojure/conj (he lives in Charlotte, IIRC). 00:49:49 It'd be neat to meet more people IRL. 00:49:56 Did you go to the one last year? 00:50:02 No, I heard about it too late. 00:50:10 Which was sad, because the location was perfect for me. 00:50:27 (I lived in Durham last year, where the conference was. :-P) 00:50:32 Acquaintance of mine, Raynes, went. I think he was the youngest there. :D 00:50:36 16 years of age. 00:50:40 Oh, you know Raynes? Nice. 00:50:47 :] 00:50:52 I mostly hear of him via his SO posts, but I see him time to time on #clojure. 00:51:42 You know, since he's such a Clojure buff, he really should move to the Triangle. I bet Clojure/core will hire him in an instant. 00:52:05 -!- kennyd_ [~kennyd@78-1-131-18.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:09 Prolly. He's very talented. :D 00:52:30 I say do it. :-P 00:53:13 I would apply, but: 1. I'm happy where I'm at, and 2. I don't live in Durham any more, and I don't like having to drive half an hour to get to work when, in my current role, I work from home. :-P 00:53:16 He's got a nostarchpress book for Clojure coming out soon, in fact. 00:53:24 Very, very good. :-) 00:53:36 Ahh. 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What was it about? 04:26:22 those TPS reports. They're due on Monday. 04:26:23 for the console colors in IronScheme 04:26:55 you need to pass '-nologo -emacs' (in that order) 04:27:42 the logo uses colors, I'll fix that some time 04:28:37 leppie, did you do any type inference in ironscheme? 04:28:53 the one scheme i was using is called "dependent types" 04:28:57 nope weirdo 04:29:00 too bad :( 04:29:18 it's now on hiatus, because i'm writing a computer game and working instead 04:29:27 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-191-238-172.cust.tele2.se] has left #scheme 04:29:51 i'm not sure whether to write it any more 04:30:00 it might be too hard to do for me, as a one-man project 04:30:03 decisions decisions 04:30:04 leppie: the order of those options matters? o_O 04:30:37 wish i was a poet instead. then any internal consistency or sense of the text wouldn't matter 04:30:41 joast [~rick@76.178.187.139] has joined #scheme 04:30:50 programming computers is like giving orders to an idiot, and being responsible for how they're carried out 04:32:35 leppie: Okay, works on Mono/Linux. 04:33:42 Also works from Cygwin, although there is no prompt. 04:33:59 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-241-136.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:34:04 jcowan, try cmd.exe 04:34:40 there might be a problem with mintty or whatnot 04:35:18 jcowan_ [~John@cpe-98-14-172-212.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:35:30 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@195.22.80.141] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-212.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- confab [~confab@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- samth_away [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- gf3 [~gf3@unaffiliated/gf3] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- tizoc [~user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:30 -!- ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@24-246-40-169.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:31 -!- qu1j0t3 [~qu1j0t3@vm4.telegraphics.com.au] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:31 -!- poucet [~chris@li23-146.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:35:40 superjudge [~superjudg@195.22.80.141] has joined #scheme 04:36:17 -!- jcowan_ is now known as jcowan 04:37:52 gf3 [~gf3@unaffiliated/gf3] has joined #scheme 04:38:43 qu1j0t3 [~qu1j0t3@vm4.telegraphics.com.au] has joined #scheme 04:39:00 samth_away [~samth@punge.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 04:39:06 ToxicFrog [~ToxicFrog@24-246-40-169.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 04:40:07 tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #scheme 04:40:13 weirdo, leppie: it works from cmd.exe for sure. 04:41:09 so it's just the idiosyncracy of the unix terminal, i guess 04:41:15 or rather, of a Windows terminal 04:41:37 I've noticed that IronPython and IronRuby's repl is funky on a Unix terminal, also. 04:41:42 Yes. Running Windows console apps from Cygwin is never really reliable. 04:42:00 (By Unix terminal, I mean running on a real Unix, using Mono.) 04:42:30 foof: strangely, yes, order matters :S 04:44:02 confab [~confab@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:44:02 ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has joined #scheme 04:44:02 tizoc [~user@unaffiliated/tizoc] has joined #scheme 04:44:02 rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #scheme 04:44:02 xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has joined #scheme 04:44:02 poucet [~chris@li23-146.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 04:47:06 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48:47 -!- JoelMcCracken [~user@pool-71-182-163-87.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:50:27 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 04:52:29 Anyway, thanks for the help. Now I'll be running IronScheme routinely with my test suite, instead of just by hand when I remember to. 04:53:10 JoelMcCracken [~user@pool-71-182-163-87.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:56:38 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-212.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:59:32 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-115-169-221.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:07:56 HG` [~HG@p5DC05C78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 05:10:07 -!- JoelMcCracken [~user@pool-71-182-163-87.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:13:16 Does IronScheme run on Mono? 05:13:32 fantazo [~fantazo@178-190-238-99.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 05:16:32 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05C78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HG`] 05:21:09 -!- mithos28 [~eric@99-113-32-54.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: mithos28] 05:24:17 mithos28 [~eric@99-113-32-54.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 05:27:12 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.43.58] 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[~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has joined #scheme 13:47:48 is there a reason there is no let*-syntax ? 13:50:20 bloat maybe? :) 13:57:59 can't you write it yourself? 13:58:52 lol, I have only used let-syntax once , I dont think I would ever need let*-syntax :) 13:59:03 :) 13:59:13 leppie: you will :) 13:59:22 errr 13:59:24 sorry 13:59:27 i misread as (let* syntax 13:59:40 *qu1j0t3* wonders if one coffee was really enough 14:01:24 qu1j0t3: I just stick to define-syntax for 'ease of use', all this syntax scoping confuses the hell out of me 14:01:42 leppie: yeah i missed the -syntax part. i've only used define-syntax so far myself. 14:01:52 *qu1j0t3* is n00b 14:02:13 i dont think i ever used letrec-syntax 14:02:15 -!- weirdo [sthalik@kronstadt.lain.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:56 xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has joined #scheme 14:20:53 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:26:16 amliby 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16:05:16 leppie: no, mit-scheme seems to have let*-syntax, but racket doesn't. Not sure about other schemes. 16:08:23 -!- soveran [~soveran@dan75-2-87-91-33-52.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:54 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 16:09:57 hkBst: i don't think i've ever wanted let*-syntax 16:10:27 rudybot: eval (eval (list + 1 2) (interaction-environment)) 16:10:28 leppie: your sandbox is ready 16:10:28 leppie: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: interaction-environment in module: 'program 16:10:36 rudybot: eval (eval (list + 1 2)) 16:10:36 leppie: ; Value: 3 16:10:48 rudybot: eval (eval (list `',+ 1 2)) 16:10:49 leppie: ; Value: 3 16:11:02 interesting 16:11:09 samth: I thought for a while that I wanted it, but then it turned out I really wanted letrec-syntax. Still I have to wonder about its absence... 16:12:33 soveran [~soveran@dan75-2-87-91-33-52.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #scheme 16:12:40 rudybot: eval (eval (list (lambda (x y) (+ x y)) 1 2)) 16:12:40 leppie: ; Value: 3 16:13:21 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 16:13:52 while that could be useful, I find that behavior rather disturbing 16:20:37 leppie: which behavior is that exactly? 16:21:29 that (eval +) works 16:22:01 hkBst: By LETREC-SYNTAX, are you talking about a splicing syntax binding form a la let-syntax in R6RS? 16:22:15 and that (eval `',+) works 16:22:34 leppie: That seems to be common among some Schemes, including Chez. 16:23:16 would not be hard to implement though :) 16:23:28 However, all forms of splicing LET[REC,][*,]-SYNTAX forms should not exist. 16:23:55 arcfide: dont forget letrec*-values-syntax :) 16:24:08 A syntactic level module system is the write way of dealing with the problem, and avoids all of the semantic ambiguities introduced by these forms. 16:24:16 s/write/better/ 16:24:48 arcfide: syntactic modules like the ones in psyntax? 16:25:02 *fds* wants to be able to (apply and lst) :-( 16:25:17 leppie: I don't know what psyntax has, but Ikarus doesn't have them, so I assume not. 16:25:30 fds: (for-all (lambda (x) x) lst) 16:26:00 leppie: Specifically, I am thinking about the module system introduced by Chez Scheme's MODULE form. 16:26:11 leppie: I think there are other places around that have similar constructs. 16:26:25 arcfide: ikarus and psyntax got that, they have lexical scope 16:26:45 maybe not that powerful, but that form exists 16:26:57 Yes, lexical scope, efficient binding to the outer context, semantics that match the rest of your code bodies, and so forth. 16:27:09 arcfide: is r6rs letrec-syntax somehow different wrt splicing than r5rs's one? 16:27:17 hkBst: yes. 16:27:43 arcfide: like the module usage in here? https://ironscheme.svn.codeplex.com/svn/IronScheme/IronScheme.Console/build/equal.ss 16:27:43 http://tinyurl.com/3hx6h9j 16:27:44 hkBst: It was a nice idea at the time, and has subsequently led each implementation to implement the semantics just a little bit differently than everyone else. 16:28:21 arcfide: Interesting, thanks! 16:28:39 leppie: That looks close, but that's not really demonstrating just how useful those modules are. 16:29:05 i know, but they are there at least :) 16:29:10 Yeah, which is good. 16:29:20 arcfide: interesting, I had no idea, (having mostly ignored r6rs) 16:29:27 And people should be using those modules in places where they might have use a splicing syntax binding form. 16:29:43 anyway, time to go home. 16:29:50 hkBst: Well, I use R6RS, and mostly like it fine, but the LET-SYNTAX splicing is a place where it isn't good. 16:29:53 hkBst: Have fun. 16:29:58 arcfide: I am not sure my brain could handle such abstraction :) 16:30:12 leppie: The point is, it's actually less mental abstraction. 16:30:18 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:28 Man, I hope it's possible for my to implement hygenic macros in my unhygenic macros.. that sounds possibly very difficult :( 16:30:30 you have a good illustrating example? 16:30:40 Does anyone have any resources on doing something like that? :) 16:30:42 With a LET-SYNTAX, you have to be careful that you don't actually reach one of the edge cases that makes it unportable, or you have to be very careful about your scope, and so forth. 16:31:01 imphasing: try MBE (macros by example) or riaxpander (if you have define-record-type) 16:31:03 leppie: Yeah, my Scheme Workshop paper this year. 16:31:11 leppie: Thanks :) 16:31:44 let me know if you get riaxpander going, becos i still have issues with it :| 16:31:54 arcfide: link? :) 16:31:54 arcfide: How about (apply or lst)? :-) 16:32:07 leppie: Basically, for any normal Let-syntax, just change each of your clauses for DEFINE-SYNTAXES in the body of a module, and any names you want exported, just put them at the top, done. 16:32:27 leppie: If you send me an email, I'll send you a copy in a couple of days when it's ready for public consumption. ;-) 16:32:27 Ahh, that makes sense :) 16:32:37 fds: (exists (lambda (x) x) lst) 16:32:41 cool arcfide :) 16:33:36 fds: I'm assuming your in R6RS or have some list library that provides these if you don't use R6RS. 16:33:39 arcfide: Ah, I see. These are R6RS names for SRFI-1's every and any? 16:33:50 s/your/you're/ 16:35:11 I am using using Guile, and it has these procedures in its R6RS list library. 16:35:14 leppie: In particular, the model is easier because MODULE is not splicing, but has the same scoping ideas as a normal code body, so your model within the body stays the same; instead, you get explicit control over what you want visible outside, and so it's a nice combination of a LET with an EXPORT clause. 16:35:25 seems not just me is disturbed by that eval behavior :) 16:37:06 Anyways, I'm out of here for a bit. 16:37:07 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 16:42:20 -!- smtlaissezfaire_ is now known as smtlaissezfaire 16:43:26 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 16:46:14 -!- smtlaissezfaire [~smtlaisse@76.15.192.54] has quit [Quit: smtlaissezfaire] 16:48:09 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:51:19 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@GYYYKMCDXXIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:12 -!- elliottcableOff is now known as elliottcable 16:57:54 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:58:44 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:59:46 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-216.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:00:06 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-216.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:00:10 frhodes [~user@168-103-97-250.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 17:00:34 -!- Lakesta [~Radley@174-31-48-170.spkn.qwest.net] has left #scheme 17:02:34 -!- lbc [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:22 arcfide [1000@dhcp-cs-244-96.cs.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 17:09:34 ijp [~user@host109-154-211-128.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 17:13:45 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:19 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-36-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:19:39 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 17:22:14 Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 17:26:39 -!- mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:30:18 jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-53.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:31:34 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 17:37:46 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:43:37 jrapdx [~jra@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 17:44:54 githogori [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has joined #scheme 17:50:55 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-d9bfcf89.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:51:04 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f77be82.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 17:52:06 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 17:53:19 -!- soveran [~soveran@dan75-2-87-91-33-52.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:34 -!- DrDuck1 [~duck@user-24-236-92-111.knology.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:02:12 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-228.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:02:30 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-228.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:04:42 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-228.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:04:44 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-228.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:04:46 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:04:50 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:07:12 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-228.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:07:19 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-228.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:07:27 DrDuck [~duck@user-24-236-92-111.knology.net] has joined #scheme 18:07:45 -!- hiyuh [~hiyuh@240f:9:904:1:216:cbff:fea0:abbb] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:08:05 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:08:56 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 18:15:14 A sticker at my hotel last night read: "All items in this room have been inventoried prior to your arrival. Any items found missing will be billed to your room accordingly." 18:15:27 So I took the sticker, of course, just to see if middle management understands recursion. 18:16:00 ha! 18:16:33 :) 18:16:43 sjamaan: How's the numbers stuff coming along, by the way? 18:17:13 Not too badly; fixed several issues 18:17:24 I'm now trying to wrap my head around irregex, and see if I can optimize it 18:17:49 Has anyone benchmarked it against vanilla regex? 18:17:59 What's vanilla regex? 18:18:09 Have hash-Schemers got an opinion on: http://projects.csail.mit.edu/church/wiki/Church ? 18:18:24 The regex egg I used to use before irregex came along. 18:18:33 It now uses irregex 18:18:45 To use PCRE we'd have to go back to, what, 4.5.0? 18:19:00 No, much earlier 18:19:05 Possibly 3.x 18:19:10 Something like that; what are you optimizing for, by the way: space, time, legibility? 18:19:16 time 18:19:20 optimality 18:19:23 heh 18:19:33 Is irregex particularly slow? 18:19:41 Someone posted to chicken-users complaining that chicken took 7 seconds on a simple grep which takes 2 seconds with perl 18:19:44 i see where this is heading and I like it! 18:19:46 Of course it's not fair to compare to perl :( 18:19:51 +1 18:19:56 but still 18:20:25 It's not _particularly_ slow, but there's probably room for improvement 18:20:28 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-18.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:20:36 If wonder if foof has anything to say. 18:21:01 Anything other than "I'm hella busy"? ;) 18:21:09 I was going to submit a regex-heavy solution for a job application in Chicken; had to switch to Clojure, though, partially because of regex-performance. 18:21:20 oh 18:21:23 We can't have that! 18:21:29 So maybe it's not a bad use of your time. 18:21:49 I just need a bigger brain 18:22:38 sjamaan: Maybe this will be inspiring: . 18:22:45 No flash, sorry 18:23:11 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-53.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:23:54 Oh, right; eh, not that big of a deal. Just the Imperial March played by two floppy drives controlled by a PIC. 18:24:04 :) 18:24:11 heh! 18:24:47 I saw that linked to on a different network a few hours ago. Yet another demonstration of small IRC syndrome. 18:24:55 It is a cool video though. 18:26:47 fds: I wasn't aware of SIS: is it something about the k-connectivity of IRC; where k is, say, less than three? 18:27:22 Or something about the pool of IRCers diminishing as FB and SO take over? 18:28:10 -!- denisw [~denisw@dslb-188-102-100-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:29:01 Yeah, something like that. I've not studied it particularly deeply, I've just noticed that things seem to pop up in seemingly unrelated parts of the IRC-sphere. 18:29:43 Probably due to IRC's relatively small population, and that the people who are on IRC are often in many channels on many networks. 18:31:08 *fds* should study the connectivity of IRC. 18:31:18 In my copious free time. 18:34:27 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35:20 -!- rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:35:59 Heh; wouldn't be a bad side problem. I'd actually be curious to see how the Freenode-graph clusters, and whether most #schemers are in some bizarre Lisp-ghetto. 18:37:03 Get Randall Munroe to do an XKCD-ification; and voila! 18:37:47 rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has joined #scheme 18:45:07 Looks like Freenode has about 10,000 channels and 70,000 active users; so enough to choke Graphviz. 18:50:48 i think it could be reduced to few strongly connected components 18:59:23 nice, my mit-scheme code isn't too hard to port to kawa for running on android ;) 19:10:18 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:10:20 -!- pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:02 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 19:13:50 -!- lusory [~bart@bb115-66-195-54.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:15:09 zvrba: That's what I figured; strongly-connected-components are associated with directed graphs, though. I think you might have to resort to maximal-clique-analysis, which is NP-complete (). 19:18:05 Is LISP still used for AI? 19:18:32 It might be a tractable problem to begin from #scheme and discover its component by {B,D}FS search; maybe maximal cliques wouldn't be too bad on that subgraph. 19:19:04 DrDuck: Sure; AI in what sense, though: NLP, vision, . . . ? 19:19:57 Well, I'm just curious. I don't wouldn't know what specific field it's used in. I just know it used to be used in AI in the 80s and such. 19:19:57 DrDuck: it's used for all kinds of things. Including "AI". 19:19:59 ecraven: Why Kawa and not, say, SISC? 19:20:15 -!- jrapdx [~jra@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:24 70s and 80s, I'm assuming. 19:20:57 jrapdx [~jra@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 19:21:07 DrDuck: Some degenerates switched to Java in the aughts; they then retreated to Python. I've gotten by pretty well with Scheme, though, around AI-types. 19:21:16 I believe that Lisp and AI were invented by the same man. :-) 19:21:30 Hard-core CLers might grouse a little about optimization, but that's all. 19:21:44 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 19:21:47 -!- jrapdx [~jra@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:15 (In the 50s) 19:24:32 klutometis: does sisc even work on android? i think i tried, but never got it to run. kawa works well, proguard removes most of the libraries, i can write android applications in 200k or so of java code, i even have a working opengl example ;) 19:24:45 java code = class files, the actual code is all kawa scheme ;) 19:32:52 http://www.ymeme.com/kent-m-pitman-answers-lisp-much-more-part-1.html#interactively-programmable-applications , http://www.quora.com/Lisp-programming-language/What-can-Lisp-or-its-dialects-do/answer/Toby-Thain DrDuck 19:32:52 http://tinyurl.com/3fzk4bx 19:32:53 http://tinyurl.com/3rznvej 19:40:54 kuribas [~user@d54C43B7D.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 19:42:07 ecraven: Oh, I just assumed SISC would work since it targets the JVM; haven't tried it. Would be interested to find out whether it works or not; might have to acquire an Android device. 19:43:29 soveran [~soveran@dan75-2-87-91-33-52.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #scheme 19:43:35 :) i like how i can program it and use it as a gadget for whatever 19:47:01 klutometis: SISC has not seen any love in the last 4.5 years; would be keen to see if someone would make it work with Android, invokedynamic, etc. 19:48:33 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-166-135.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 19:48:37 -!- elly [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:25 -!- asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:08 asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has joined #scheme 19:56:10 -!- rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:56:41 -!- ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:56:46 rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has joined #scheme 20:03:33 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-228.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:03:39 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-228.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:04:17 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 20:08:07 -!- rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:08:31 rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has joined #scheme 20:19:34 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-18.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 20:22:01 klutometis: hm.. this (http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/sisc-scheme-on-androids-dalvik-vm/) mentions lots of problems with using sisc for android development 20:23:18 wisey [~Steven@host86-164-93-171.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 20:24:27 -!- xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:05 peterhil` [~peterhil@GGYZMMDCCLXI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 20:43:22 ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #scheme 20:45:32 HG`` [~HG@p5DC05EB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:47:58 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05C78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:48:14 ecraven: Thanks for the link; is this what you followed, more or less, for getting Kawa to run? 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