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I agree the 5th ballot should come after formal comments. 04:02:38 Okay, fine. 04:03:00 Are we going to use a separate write-only mail address for the formal comments? 04:03:31 I'm uninclined to allow certain items at this late stage - e.g. `eval' being required to pass through any non-writable data as a literal value. That has pretty huge semantic repurcussions. 04:04:33 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:04:37 I tend to agree, but someone on scheme-reports asked for it. 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requirements) you can do the combination in parallel to move from the leaves of the tree to the single solution at the root 18:17:09 but about if I only have a function which can generate one solution given one solution? I'm actually playing with something like that right now 18:19:39 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:46 Well, in that case you think a bit more 18:22:10 I cannot say more without any idea about the actual operation 18:22:21 I could do it if I had a way to generate an efficient function which is a composition of two other functions, but I don't see a way to do it in my problem 18:23:15 tupi__ [~david@139.82.89.39] has joined #scheme 18:23:29 say it's an enumeration problem. you have an initial vector which represents a solution, and you have a state transition function which can generate a new, different solution from it 18:24:07 that seems to be the building blocks for his method. how do i parallelize that though? 18:24:20 Well, if you really have unresolvable data dependency of depth N, you may have no way to parallelize 18:24:54 suppose I want to split it into N parallel procecess 18:24:58 Or maybe you could have some way to store compositions.. not likely, though 18:26:34 if I could find a function which efficiently calculates the effects of N compositions of f (without going through the intermediate steps) i could start with A0... An-1 and have N procesess each calculating solutions at intervals of N 18:27:03 that's clever, if I could find such a function. 18:27:49 there has to be some theoretical results on doing that 18:30:39 Steele cited something about strings 18:31:06 I found something of his on data parallel algorithms. from 1986 though 18:47:02 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:55:21 -!- replore_ [~replore@125.2.132.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:05 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #scheme 18:58:44 kuribas [~user@d54C4337B.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 18:58:55 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:59:54 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [K-Lined] 19:00:23 -!- xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:38 X-Scale [email@89-180-208-78.net.novis.pt] has joined #scheme 19:02:04 -!- X-Scale is now known as Guest28643 19:04:34 xissburg [~xissburg@187.92.148.242] has joined #scheme 19:09:56 Hal9k [~Hal@24-107-60-232.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:09:58 -!- Hal9k [~Hal@24-107-60-232.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:09:58 Hal9k [~Hal@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 19:21:10 Blkt [~user@82.84.154.15] has joined #scheme 19:22:18 -!- ijp [~user@host109-156-158-131.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:23:17 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-5f76845a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:23:30 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-4dbedeb9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 19:24:27 beginnerman [~sogeking9@5ac58a4e.bb.sky.com] has joined #scheme 19:24:42 hey guys, i am learning to program and have chosen scheme because people suggested i read SCIP. but the book doesn't actually tell me what compiler / editor to use? 19:24:54 good evening everyone 19:28:38 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:29:48 beginnerman: Most Scheme compilers that are around now didn't exist when SICP was written. :-) 19:30:12 beginnerman: But, you should be able to do most of the book with any Scheme implementation you want. 19:31:22 which do you think i should get fds? 19:31:26 beginnerman: As for an editor, you can choose any you want; I'd recommend Emacs of course. ;-) 19:31:58 beginnerman: My favourite is Guile, but there are many other good implementations like MIT Scheme, Racket or Chicken. 19:32:42 beginnerman: Asking for recommendations here in #scheme is quite a political issue. ;-) 19:33:23 oh i have emacs, my editor of choice. can i make it work well with scheme? like add features especially for scheme 19:33:51 http://www.nongnu.org/geiser/ 19:33:54 Political as it is, I suggest Racket with the neilv/sicp package. 19:34:05 http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ParEdit 19:34:07 :) 19:34:09 It seems to be the tried-and-true option. 19:34:33 cky: Have you actually used the package? I haven't had any personal experience so I don't like to recommend it. 19:34:45 fds: No. :-P 19:34:46 I should probably try it out one of these days 19:34:54 Heh 19:35:40 thanks 19:40:08 fds: why is it a political issue? 19:41:19 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05396.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HG`] 19:44:21 HG` [~HG@p5DC05396.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:47:04 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:48:01 zvrba: There are people here associated with many different implementations, I wouldn't want to offend anyone by forgetting their implementation and overlooking their hard work. :-) 19:51:13 -!- Guest28643 [email@89-180-208-78.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Time left until the Epochalypse: 26yrs 16wks 2days 19hrs 22mins 31secs] 19:51:57 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #scheme 19:55:12 X-Scale [email@89.180.208.78] has joined #scheme 19:56:05 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C4337B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:02:59 kuribas [~user@d54C4337B.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 20:04:18 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-170-138.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:47 -!- y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-170-138.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:49 y3llow_ [~y3llow@111-240-165-196.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:04:56 pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-165-196.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:05:20 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 20:06:19 soveran [~soveran@dan75-2-87-91-33-52.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #scheme 20:07:47 -!- y3llow_ [~y3llow@111-240-165-196.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:09 y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-165-196.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:09:29 fds: why does everybody have to have their own scheme implementation >: 20:10:09 why does everyone write their own web framework? :) 20:10:40 zvrba: I don't know. I don't like it either, but what can I do about it? (Other than not write my own.) 20:11:11 qu1j0t3: Because apparently it's easier to write their own than trying to understand other people's. 20:12:01 qu1j0t3: they falsely think they could do it better. 20:14:15 what's even worse, implementations have disjunctive, incompatible sets of useful libraries. 20:14:18 bah 20:14:35 somehow I see why C thrives 20:15:11 fds: a valiant effort. one day you will succumb! 20:15:41 or have different needs 20:15:51 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 20:16:45 wingo: Hehe, possibly. I have ventured as far as playing around with customising S9fES and being amazed by the feeling of power! 20:16:55 zvrba: nasty things are ineradicable :) 20:17:16 -!- fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:18:16 qu1j0t3: the only nasty thing about C is its syntax :p 20:18:38 wingo: But, I'm hoping to get hooked on improving Guile instead, one of these days... 20:18:48 qu1j0t3: or, just some aspects of it. 20:19:08 xenon- [~redmundia@84.122.73.141.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 20:19:38 fds: tbh i think that's the right thing, just to hack on some existing scheme. there's lots of choices and you can make a real difference, whichever one you choos 20:19:40 e 20:20:42 i think the way to understand scheme is to implement it -- if you hack on an existing implementation or if you start a new one, it still takes a few years 20:21:51 -!- xenon- is now known as drks 20:21:57 it's not like a new implementation is the fast track to enlightenment or anything :P 20:21:59 Yeah. 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