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Riastradh updated his blag?? 02:18:44 -!- cdx is now known as _cdx_ 02:22:43 it's been known to happen. 02:23:32 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-129-121.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 02:25:27 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 02:29:57 speak of the devil 02:37:56 which crypto library is djb's well-known one, Riastradh? 02:38:38 http://nacl.cace-project.eu/ 02:38:59 Golly, that was quick. 02:40:12 *elly* suffers from two bindings for "nacl" 02:43:07 Do you poll hourly for updates or something? 02:43:26 gnomon mentioned it a little while ago 02:45:41 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:14:35 Hmm. I wonder: is the joke a pun? It's not entirely clear to me. 03:17:55 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:21:33 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 03:23:38 sodel [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 03:25:06 -!- tupi_ [~david@189.60.180.75] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:25:21 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:24 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:30:01 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 03:40:24 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:42:25 -!- rvn_ [~rvn@77.107.164.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:42:48 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43:06 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:47:11 Raimondi [~israel@c-98-196-16-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:53:40 Let's see how gnomon handles this update now. 03:57:48 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:02 arcfide, you use paredit, right? Care to try out any of the toys at and see what they break? 04:06:31 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 04:07:26 -!- sodel [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has left #scheme 04:09:49 cky, maybe you'd like to try them too. 04:10:30 Riastradh: Next time I drop into Emacs I'll give them a shot. 04:10:36 That might be a while though. 04:10:48 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 04:11:00 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:11:18 On second thought, it might not. Anyways, when I try it, I'll let you know. 04:11:20 *arcfide* heads to bed. 04:11:23 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:11:32 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 04:21:43 -!- dfjkaldfas [~paulh@145.120.22.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:21:56 leo2007 [~leo@114.247.10.66] has joined #scheme 04:24:52 frhodes [~frhodes@75-173-66-9.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:25:01 Riastradh, another update in so short a time!? 04:25:10 Great googly-moogly. 04:27:27 Riastradh, I set up a polling solution, yes. 04:32:23 *offby1* sets up a brine solution 04:32:37 cucumbers ... dill ... garlic 04:33:11 *cky* sets up a caustic solution. Perfect for turning all your food grease into soap. :-P 04:33:42 Riastradh: Will do. :-) 04:34:51 There are services to monitor sites for updates. 04:35:10 -!- leo2007 [~leo@114.247.10.66] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 04:45:34 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 04:50:24 -!- frhodes [~frhodes@75-173-66-9.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:51:38 Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #scheme 04:58:01 Re klutometis's recent discussion...the local Clojure group here has a meetup in 2 weeks, and no speakers lined up yet. There is a small but evil part of me that wants to prepare a Scheme-related talk, just for the lulz. (Seriously, though, I don't have time to prepare any such thing. But it was an amusing idea.) 05:00:08 frhodes [~frhodes@75-173-66-9.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 05:13:33 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:22:19 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 05:37:25 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.215.176] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 05:37:37 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:40:10 -!- frhodes [~frhodes@75-173-66-9.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:43:43 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.215.176] has joined #scheme 05:50:54 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 06:08:47 mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has joined #scheme 06:09:09 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:09:15 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:11:28 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:18:53 -!- ASau [~user@93-80-104-193.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: off] 06:24:12 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.215.176] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:25:41 hba [~hba@187.171.205.97] has joined #scheme 06:33:12 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43:53 -!- _cdx_ [~cdouglas@203-206-182-133.perm.iinet.net.au] has left #scheme 06:44:05 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 06:58:55 cky: Why not? I've found astonishment, bewilderment and indifference when talking about Scheme. 06:59:50 That `+inf', for instance, is a representation for positive infinity in some Schemes (instead of, say, Double/MAX_VALUE) is black magic. 07:11:30 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 07:23:12 What do you mean by "black magic"? 07:23:28 -!- hba [~hba@187.171.205.97] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:26:46 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 07:26:57 -!- betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:28:05 betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 07:34:38 -!- Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47:11 -!- solrize [~phr@ruckus.brouhaha.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:47:26 ohwow: magical spirit that lives inside my computer 07:47:47 ohwow: where is your wizard's robe and hat? 07:49:22 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:50:10 uh, i only have my wizard book with me :[ 07:50:14 DGASAU` [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #scheme 07:55:35 kuribas [~user@94-227-91-56.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 07:57:23 solrize [~phr@ruckus.brouhaha.com] has joined #scheme 07:57:27 -!- DGASAU` [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:57:42 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:58:17 DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #scheme 08:01:12 megane [~megane@unaffiliated/megane] has joined #scheme 08:02:29 ++ 08:02:41 hi 08:12:57 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [Quit: brb] 08:15:39 -!- Jafet [~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:22:11 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:52:58 wingo [~wingo@90.164.198.39] has joined #scheme 08:54:42 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:07:51 -!- mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has left #scheme 09:08:40 mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has joined #scheme 09:09:19 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-237-209.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:13:40 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-15-69.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #scheme 09:34:04 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-4dbed0d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35:27 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-4dbed0d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 09:40:36 weirdo: The other day you said that I should design my scheme with just a very light core (or something along the lines)--I am not sure how you meant that... 09:41:23 masm [~masm@bl19-171-167.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 10:04:19 -!- elly [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:13:54 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:14:19 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 10:25:54 elly [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has joined #scheme 10:51:30 ijp [~user@host86-182-16-78.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 10:54:18 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:00:02 Odaym [~ongoing@unaffiliated/odaym] has joined #scheme 11:00:43 what's `f` here? http://pastebin.com/miX9ZnA7 11:01:05 specifically on line 17 11:01:10 and 19 11:07:05 DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #scheme 11:07:25 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-83-98.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:11 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 11:15:39 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 11:15:47 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-83-98.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 11:27:39 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:38:12 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:47 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:40:02 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 11:40:25 Odaym: F is the first argument to FIXED-POINT 11:40:45 not being treated that way on line 17 and 19 11:41:14 didn't know you can pass a variable to another variable 11:41:28 Odaym: it's a procedure 11:41:36 but you just said ti was a variable 11:41:44 Odaym: procedures are first class in Scheme :) 11:41:48 passed as an argument to Fixed-point 11:42:03 well, what does it do? 11:42:05 this F 11:42:05 \ 11:42:21 it's from a SICP exercise i remember 11:42:24 impossible to guess 11:42:25 yea 11:42:36 impossible to guess? then how can you place it there? 11:42:36 (lambda (x) (average x (/ (log 1000) (log x)))) 11:42:51 ^ is apparently a procedure for average-damping you can use to demo the fixed-point procedure 11:42:59 true 11:43:08 I got there, but still don't get what he's trying to do 11:43:20 since F is .....sometimes a variable sometimes a function 11:43:26 depends how he feels like :P 11:43:42 It's always a variable that has the value of a procedure 11:43:52 value of which procedure? 11:44:12 Whatever procedure value was passed in as the first argument of FIXED-POINT. 11:44:21 that was F 11:44:30 no, that was never given 11:44:46 so building upon wishes 11:44:53 not in that pastebin, anyway... 11:45:03 It's just an interface, you pass in whatever function you like 11:46:27 i.e. that snippet as given is not a fully functioning program 11:46:29 -!- kuribas [~user@94-227-91-56.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:46:41 as it has no entry point, it's just a procedure definition 11:46:54 (well technically it is I suppose, it just defines that procedure, but nyer.) 11:47:43 if I were to say (Fixed-Point (Sqrt 2) 1) 11:48:00 would that work, given that the interface was correct 11:48:36 (fixed-point sqrt 1) 11:48:49 sqrt of what? 11:49:01 Kajtek [~nope@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 11:49:31 here it doesn't need an 'of what' i guess 11:49:39 cause the value that it returns is being passed 11:49:44 Odaym: yes 11:49:51 Odaym: 1 is the starting value, in that call 11:50:46 so somewhere else, I would've said (Sqrt (x)) 11:51:03 and then found its fixed point? 11:51:19 because without having called it, how would have I know what value it produced (having not even called it to give it a value to compute) 11:51:26 ah 11:51:34 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 11:51:44 yes, somewhere else you would presumably call "(fixed-point sqrt 1)" or whatever values you like. 11:52:15 no i meant call the function that is being passed by the value it produces, to Fixed-point 11:52:36 that function would have already have had executed somewhere and now I want to use the value it returns, as an argument to fixed point 11:53:10 No, you are passing _the function itself_ (as a procedure value). 11:53:26 oh my god. 11:55:24 rudybot: its heresy I tells ye 11:55:24 ijp: GCC doesn't support algol? Heresy! 11:55:38 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 11:57:11 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-188-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 11:58:16 I UNDERSTAND NOW! 11:58:22 \o/ 11:58:28 he passed F so he would be able to use it below! 11:58:30 that's it! 11:58:49 I was gonna say, a perhaps-gentler way to introduce the concept of a higher-order function would be to use something like "map", not "fixed-point". :-P 11:59:01 that's what rapacity did, but meh 11:59:34 is it true what I said though? 11:59:44 he passes F or SQRT above, to be able to use it below 12:00:08 Well of course, it's just like any other value you pass in as a function argument. 12:00:13 yes 12:00:14 great 12:00:16 ok 12:00:28 In scheme, program understands you 12:00:32 lol 12:00:34 haha 12:00:51 it's dostoevsky, by the way 12:01:03 Odaym: Depends on who you ask. 12:01:17 Odaym: Wikipedia has both spellings. 12:01:18 Odaym: It's cyrilic... 12:01:19 Depends on the target transliteration language. 12:01:25 That. 12:01:47 And unfortunately, while irc accepts cyrilic messages, it doesn't accept cyrilic nicknames :-( 12:01:54 So there's no correct spelling in other alphabets.. 12:02:06 straw poll, what's the best cyrillic transliteration scheme :p 12:02:40 i got his very first novel, a while ago 12:02:46 "poor folk" 12:02:48 el crappo 12:02:55 amoe: Pinyin. :-P :-P :-P 12:03:02 bwahaha 12:03:45 I refuse to believe any dostoevsky can be "el crappo" 12:03:56 read that one, srsly 12:03:58 amoe: cyrillic. :) 12:03:59 poor folk 12:04:19 ok 12:04:43 *amoe* has only read "the gambler". 12:04:48 really? 12:04:56 and from that one you got this religious view about him? 12:05:04 yeah, why not 12:05:04 refusing to believe that he can write something bad? 12:05:18 it isn't nearly his best work though 12:05:34 see Crime and Punishment, Notes from the underground, brothers karamazov 12:05:41 those make you believe in him religiously 12:05:44 ah, I read crime and punishment also. 12:05:52 see :) 12:05:58 that one is a real pleasure 12:06:33 I will have to read "poor folk" now :) curse you 12:06:36 ratsel [~ratsel@213.Red-79-156-37.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 12:06:41 its very small 12:06:51 gnomon, I guess your monitor must not care too much about the format. I was hoping the fancy date I wrote would make it explode. 12:10:53 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Riastradh 12:11:42 -!- Riastradh has set mode -o Riastradh 12:11:53 why are they called higher-order procedures? 12:12:22 simply because they accept something more? (procedures)? 12:12:33 High order functions are functions that have functions as parameter (or result). 12:12:39 great 12:18:34 Somehow I think the difference between vectors and lists/pairs is a messy one... 12:18:53 dostoyevsky: How so? 12:19:44 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:20:52 dostoyevsky: it is. 12:21:20 dostoyevsky: but we still want the optimization of O(1) for vector-ref vs. O(n) for list-ref. 12:22:38 -!- megane [~megane@unaffiliated/megane] has left #scheme 12:25:23 There are cases where vectors are very important. For example, many sorting algorithms cannot work efficiently on lists. 12:25:43 cky: I think it's mostly because I hadn't had them before in my scheme and now I realize that I used vectors in many places instead of lists... And now I am a bit confused as to when use what.. 12:26:10 dostoyevsky: I think most Lispers would agree that you should use lists by default, and vectors when you must. 12:26:56 dostoyevsky: Remember that Lisp lists are built from conses. Vectors, of course, are not. 12:26:59 Lists are very beautiful when you want to do recursive programming.. 12:27:04 Yes. 12:29:57 what do you (plural) think about a generalized sequence type for scheme? 12:30:21 useful abstraction or crutch for sloppy thinking? :) 12:30:43 list/vector autoboxing? 12:31:21 dostoyevsky: was thinking more or iteration/selection primitives that work identically for lists and vectors 12:31:34 but maybe that amounts to the same thing 12:31:57 *amoe* doesn't know about autoboxing, sounds painful :p 12:33:09 amoe: It's a concept first introduced in .Net... In Java you often had the problem of deciding between int (primitive type) and Integer (actually an Object) 12:34:06 And they made it dynamic, giving you the illusion int is always an object, that you could call i.getClass() on... 12:34:29 But in a loop it would become just a register... 12:35:15 as long as you only treated it like a int (just adding, substracting etc) 12:36:21 dostoyevsky: ah yeah. yeah that's probably analogous to what i was thinking 12:37:09 arguably most iteration in scheme is expressed at too low a level (cons/car/cdr, map vs. vector-map) 12:37:23 OTOH that does make it much easier to reason about code efficiency 12:38:02 xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has joined #scheme 12:39:35 I think the clojurites have a sequence type 12:39:46 dunno how that turned out 12:47:50 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 12:51:43 The argumentation with int/Integer is that you cannot actually decide what you want to use and in object-orientation you should always be able to defer decisions by default and being able to switch data structures by just changing one declaration... And for more abstract data structures you also have things like ArrayList whick AFAIU is both a linkedlist and array... 13:05:12 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:09:41 pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.105.250.72] has joined #scheme 13:16:52 dfjkaldfas [~paulh@145.120.22.54] has joined #scheme 13:17:41 -!- mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:25:36 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.190] has joined #scheme 13:30:52 is garbage collection specified anywhere in r5rs, except in the overview? 13:33:09 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:35:22 amoe: I cannot even see it in the overview... 13:36:17 amoe, an implementation is perfectly allowed to leak like there's no tomorrow :P 13:36:29 dostoyevsky: there's only a note. "they are permitted to reclaim the storage occupied by an object" 13:36:51 weirdo: I thought so. interesting 13:36:55 provided it's not reachable anymore 13:41:11 -!- xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:43:20 xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has joined #scheme 13:47:14 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:53:25 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 14:05:35 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.187.139] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:06:01 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 14:06:12 tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 14:17:32 genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has joined #scheme 14:20:42 amoe: or to provide another implementation specific means to free memory, such as (free object), and so on. 14:25:52 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:26:20 joast [~rick@76.178.187.139] has joined #scheme 14:27:48 -!- Odaym [~ongoing@unaffiliated/odaym] has left #scheme 14:27:54 rvn_ [~rvn@77.107.164.131] has joined #scheme 14:29:50 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:35:04 -!- solrize [~phr@ruckus.brouhaha.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:35:19 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.105.250.72] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:50 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 14:53:07 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 15:15:20 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:19:06 Riastradh, it's just a diff thing; it doesn't try to extract dates or anything like that, it just drops a ping in my RSS feed that something on the page has changed. I'm sure you could defeat it by twiddling whitespace or possibly even just updating the timestamp of the file. 15:19:29 I _used_ to have a version which built a clean RSS feed by parsing dates, but you broke that one! 15:19:38 jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 15:20:48 Oh, I probably broke that one back on the thirty-second of March. 15:20:55 hoi 15:21:27 Aloha, jcowan! 15:21:36 So I need to change the mtime on the file in order to break it now? 15:21:54 Hey ho, gnomon! 15:21:56 I don't kow for sure, but I suspect that would do the trick. 15:22:11 You could put that in a cron job or something if you really wanted to screw with my poll thingy. 15:22:37 Well, "my" poll thingy - I just set up a monitor on page2rss . I can claim no smarts for it. 15:23:01 I do have such a cron job 15:25:45 http://www.ccil.org/~cowan/blag.xml 15:26:03 Really, jcowan? How do you touch my files on mumble.net? Even if you have an account there (which a quick glance at /etc/passwd suggests you don't), they're not world-writable... 15:27:30 I don't need to. RSS readers are supposed to note when the feed changes, so I just recreate the feed every day. 15:28:25 I think that's not quite the `such a cron job' that gnomon was talking about. He meant a cron job on mumble.net that would randomly frob the mtime on blag.txt. 15:28:29 (I could do it more often, of course, or run it by hand.) 15:28:44 (Hence my humorous misunderstanding of your reply.) 15:32:47 pandeiro [~pandeiro@187.105.250.72] has joined #scheme 15:32:48 HUMOR, DO YOU HAS IT 15:33:02 What? 15:34:07 Ah. Fortunately, I don't need to frob the mtime to notice a change. 15:34:29 More accurately, it's my clients who need to notice changes, not me. 15:35:20 Ha. I broke your RSS. 15:35:34 -!- genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:36:46 It's not hard. 15:39:12 Hmm... Also, you're violating the copyright, technically. 15:44:14 See, jcowan, it's in situations like this that I'm certain you wish you had an ink sac. 15:45:19 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #scheme 15:45:53 Riastradh: True. 15:52:36 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:53 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.202.190] has joined #scheme 16:12:19 phao [c8eb8302@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.235.131.2] has joined #scheme 16:18:30 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18:54 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:19:44 bbowes [~user@S0106c8bcc89574c2.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #scheme 16:26:10 ratsel_ [~ratsel@213.Red-79-156-37.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 16:27:48 DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #scheme 16:29:19 -!- ratsel [~ratsel@213.Red-79-156-37.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:33:21 jonrafkind 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dependency 20:34:25 It's very complicated to report such dependencies in your taxes, so nobody at Canonical wanted to do it. 20:40:30 ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has joined #scheme 20:40:41 -!- ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:10 ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has joined #scheme 20:41:27 -!- ecraven [~nex@www.nexoid.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:01 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC04DA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HG`] 20:59:48 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:00:41 erjiang [~erjiang@7.80.244.66.jest.smithvilledigital.net] has joined #scheme 21:04:19 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:04:36 offby1: I have it building correctly on Debian, and I'm sure it's easy enough to do on Ubuntu too. 21:05:00 offby1: You do have to backport the latest libgc package. 21:07:08 DrTeggy [~drteggy@195.72.221.178] has joined #scheme 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