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Which paper did you have in mind? 02:14:51 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:22:09 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-54-91.gmavt.net] has left #scheme 02:24:25 klutometis: The expressiveness paper, it's the only serious attempt I know of that tackles such questions. 02:25:47 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 02:27:05 dfjkaldfas [~paulh@145.120.22.54] has joined #scheme 02:30:40 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 02:30:58 frhodes [~frhodes@168-103-97-249.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 02:32:07 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:36:53 -!- erikano_ [~erikano@man.i.wish.i.had.an.irish.setter.co] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:42:29 genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has joined #scheme 03:08:26 EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@cpe-71-72-126-188.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:08:26 -!- EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@cpe-71-72-126-188.insight.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:08:26 EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@unaffiliated/em03] has joined #scheme 03:15:33 [1]confab [~confab@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:17:39 -!- confab [~confab@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:17:39 -!- [1]confab is now known as confab 03:20:53 -!- EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@unaffiliated/em03] has quit [Quit: EM03] 03:24:53 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 03:35:29 EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@cpe-71-72-126-188.insight.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:35:29 -!- EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@cpe-71-72-126-188.insight.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:35:29 EM03 [~dfsdfdsf@unaffiliated/em03] has joined #scheme 04:01:46 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-141-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:01:52 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:16:43 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 04:17:30 -!- dfjkaldfas [~paulh@145.120.22.54] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:25:53 -!- tupi_ [~david@189.60.180.75] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32:13 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35:09 -!- mts [~mts@pool-74-110-121-57.nrflva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:40:12 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:45:37 -!- soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47:41 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:54:38 -!- rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:00 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-60.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:01:17 rapacity [~prwg@codealife.com] has joined #scheme 05:02:43 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 05:04:01 -!- rapacity [~prwg@codealife.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:04:01 rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has joined #scheme 05:04:15 -!- rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has quit [Client Quit] 05:07:13 rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has joined #scheme 05:12:11 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:12:45 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:26:05 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 05:41:48 -!- zelak_ [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:59:53 klutometis, you like playing with paredit toys, right? Care to play with ? 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It's a night of the stars 19:59:32 No, just a netsplit. 20:03:48 kniu [~kniu@pool-96-236-148-210.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 20:07:29 -!- jewel_ [~jewel@196-215-88-11.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:15:45 samth [~samth@c-98-216-239-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:16:16 -!- y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-171-221.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:20 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-171-221.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:59 y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-173-247.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:18:22 pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-173-247.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:18:48 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 20:31:48 PreciousMetals [~Heart@unaffiliated/colours] has joined #scheme 20:40:29 Bilroth [~user@host-92-6-56-82.as43234.net] has joined #scheme 20:42:35 ratsel [~ratsel@213.Red-79-156-37.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:37 -!- Bilroth [~user@host-92-6-56-82.as43234.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:31 -!- drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:51:30 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.222.183] has joined #scheme 20:58:56 drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 21:16:05 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-214-227.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:51 Is it possible to define a global function within a function? Like here: ``(define foo (lambda (name symbol) (define name (labmda () symbol))))'' 21:19:02 No, it's not. 21:19:19 (I also find it bad style to use local defines). 21:20:11 It doesn't seem to work because (define name ...) has not the global environment, so name is only defined inside foo... 21:20:25 Definitions apply to the scope in which you make them. In this case, (define name ...) binds a new variable named NAME, shadowing the variable from the lambda called NAME; but that code is a syntax error, because there's nothing in the body except for the definition. 21:20:26 Yes, that's why I said No, it's not. 21:22:17 I wanted to replace my type tests for r5rs which look like this: `(define char? (lambda (w) (eq? (type-of w) 'char)))' with a function (define-type-test 'char? 'char) 21:22:25 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 21:23:19 dostoyevsky: so use a macro 21:23:25 If you want it to look like that, use a macro. 21:23:30 ok 21:24:01 (define-syntax define-type-test (syntax-rules () ((DEFINE-TYPE-TEST name type-name) (DEFINE (name W) (EQ? (TYPE-OF W) type-name] 21:26:24 -!- samth [~samth@c-98-216-239-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:39 -!- woonie [~woonie@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:35:42 Someone should figure out how to animate paredit, so that when you type, e.g., `C-)' to slurp a form into the current list, the closing delimiter opens its mouth, reaches out its tongue, grabs the form, and slurps it up. 21:36:09 It should have sound effects too. 21:36:31 This is especially important for the barfing commands. 21:36:49 *offby1* glances around nervously. 21:37:09 whoever wrote "nyan-mode" should tackle it 21:38:32 nyan-mode? 21:38:44 Like Nyan Cat. 21:38:50 *fds* presumes. 21:38:56 Wildly. 21:40:10 -!- pranq [~pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:40:26 offby1: Well, the guy isn't here. Shall I pass some info onto him? :) 21:40:45 if I recall correctly that mode draws a little cat in your mode line, and its horizontal position reflects the fraction of the buffer before point. 21:40:47 or something. 21:40:53 antoszka: sure! 21:41:23 pranq [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 21:41:30 offby1: Did it make your life a better, richer, more colourful experience? 21:41:52 haven't used it. 21:41:56 TeMPOraL [~user@cpc12-oxfd18-2-0-cust64.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 21:42:02 hi 21:42:06 Well, here he is ;) 21:42:07 `paredit-kill' will be interesting to animate, as will the `paredit-raise-sexp' variant I just wrote that makes an S-expression murder its siblings and rise up above them. 21:43:22 (`paredit-raise-sexp' merely deletes them; `paredit-raise-sexp-and-kill-wrapper' kills them.) 21:43:32 *offby1* slowly suspects that antoszka is indeed the guilty party 21:43:49 offby1: No, the one before. 21:44:03 If you mean that Riastradh wrote paredit, I already knew that 21:44:09 lol 21:45:12 *TeMPOraL* wrote nyan-mode 21:45:17 how can I be of assistance? 21:45:51 oh, Riastradh was just saying "Someone should figure out how to animate paredit, so that when you type, e.g., `C-)' to slurp a form into the current list, the closing delimiter opens its mouth, reaches out its tongue, grabs the form, and slurps it up" 21:45:52 ... 21:45:57 and I suggested that you handle the job 21:46:21 :D 21:46:59 if you don't mind that that tongue would be in rainbow colours 21:47:01 ;) 21:47:07 probably fine 21:47:09 ask Riastradh 21:47:28 Riastradh? :D 21:47:28 I think the more outlandish the better 21:48:16 That might have to be a user-configurable option. 21:48:31 But for `paredit-forward-barf-sexp', I don't think the user should be allowed to configure the colour of the barf; it should be as realistic as possible. 21:48:48 *TeMPOraL* added it to Someday/Maybe list 21:48:54 i.e., the same colors as the sexpressions originally were, modulo some digestion 21:49:08 modulo "nyan nyan song" playing 21:49:44 I could be persuaded that some of the animations should involve a cat scurrying across the buffer, scratching it up, and dragging things around in its mouth. 21:49:53 offby1: that sounds like a really bad idea 21:50:05 Does barf actually have a color? I always felt that barf is already a color scheme of it's own... I am afraid though, to do e.g. an image search on this... 21:50:17 *TeMPOraL* persuades Riastradh 21:50:33 Riastradh: if we're talking about puking, cats just naturally come to mind 21:51:17 cats are always in a dichotomy that includes dogs 21:52:19 bambucha [~bambucha@77-255-183-69.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #scheme 21:52:42 dostoyevsky: what's the dichotomy for nyan cat? 21:52:54 a dog flying on reverse-coloured rainbow underwater? 21:54:05 TeMPOraL: Dogfish  in other words. 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