00:00:16 Eataix [~Eataix@130.56.93.42] has joined #scheme 00:01:25 rudybot [~luser@ec2-204-236-167-175.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 00:05:40 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:05:47 50% of my execution time is consumed by env_new and env_free... :-/ 00:06:02 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 00:27:22 -!- frhodes [~frhodes@75-173-84-172.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:28:36 But now it's has become already twice as fast in my simple benchmark. :) 00:33:32 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:48:08 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:57:45 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:59:25 -!- Eataix [~Eataix@130.56.93.42] has quit [] 01:15:34 -!- kennyd_ [~kennyd@78-0-255-228.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:19:00 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:22:35 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-112-188.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #scheme 01:29:06 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:34:30 dostoyevsky: Optimizing is a miraculous process isn't it? 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The execution time for an empty loop (200,000 times) went down from 25s to 5s... What's odd is that there seems to be no indication that eval takes a lot of time for the dispatch... 02:44:53 Which is the first thing I am going to replace when I start with compilation... 02:48:00 -!- Eataix [~Eataix@130.56.93.42] has quit [] 02:48:32 -!- astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-194-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:49:31 frhodes [~frhodes@75-173-84-172.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 02:51:49 -!- wisey [~Steven@host86-150-109-116.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53:06 astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-194-161.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 02:55:43 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 03:01:18 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 03:11:18 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:15:15 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-113.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:15:23 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-139-113.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:20:03 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:21:47 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #scheme 03:23:55 zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has joined #scheme 03:26:21 cb` [~user@cpe-72-134-23-187.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:28:30 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:30:26 -!- hypercube32 [~hypercube@231.125.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:30:59 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 03:31:25 -!- cb` [~user@cpe-72-134-23-187.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:32:03 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:38:30 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 03:39:25 Riastradh: Clojure has the irritating property that it uses `#_' for sexp-comments instead of `#;'; is it trivial to modify paredit.el to recognize those? 03:41:04 And do what as a consequence of recognizing them? 03:44:38 -!- zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46:20 Riastradh: It seems like the current behaviour in Scheme is to render the inert sexp in a comment color, for instance; and also to e.g. slurp it, along with the following sexp, when using kill-sexp. 03:46:33 Come to think of it, though, I'm not sure if any of that behaviour is due to paredit. 03:46:43 s/slurp/kill/ 03:46:58 The first is a function of Scheme Mode, not of Paredit Mode; and the second is a bug that is a consequence of Scheme Mode, for which I have a kludgey workaround in my .emacs. 03:47:44 Oh, interesting: kill-sexp would kill the inert sexp following point, but leave the subsequent one untouched? 03:47:53 Can you reveal that workaround? 03:49:32 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:53:25 zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has joined #scheme 04:00:42 -!- woonie [~woonie@spnp55066.spnp.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:02:43 woonie [~woonie@spnp55066.spnp.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 04:07:23 -!- metasyntax|work [~taylor@fw-its-kt209a-2.dyn.ipfw.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:09:20 cb` [~user@cpe-72-134-23-187.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 04:13:34 -!- woonie [~woonie@spnp55066.spnp.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:13:57 -!- zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:16:15 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:19:12 -!- erikano [~erikano@94.249.190.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19:17 erikano [~erikano@man.i.wish.i.had.an.irish.setter.co] has joined #scheme 04:21:22 woonie [~woonie@nusnet-223-227.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #scheme 04:26:30 zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has joined #scheme 04:28:58 tcleval [~funnyguy@186.213.34.157] has joined #scheme 04:29:00 what do you guys use for scheme code completion on emacs? 04:32:17 klutometis, to what address shall I send it? It's not a trivial patch. 04:33:54 tcleval: scheme-complete.el 04:43:00 -!- cb` [~user@cpe-72-134-23-187.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:43:17 Riastradh: How do you kill that #; bug? 04:45:34 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #scheme 04:46:16 klutometis, sent. 04:46:27 eli, with a patch I just forwarded to you. 04:46:42 foof: can you post the part of your .emacs.el related to scheme-complete? 04:47:02 Riastradh: Thank you. 04:48:18 Riastradh: Thanks, I'll look into using it. 04:48:33 This #; think is really annoying in how bad it behaves. 04:49:13 I've gotten used to typing #;#; and then !!! on two lines before the expression -- this way I comment one expression without Emacs catching the second one and spoiling it too... 04:49:23 I submitted a bug about it a couple years ago; Stefan Monnier gave me patch to work around it. I don't understand exactly what's going on, but I think that this patch just makes Scheme Mode treat the token `#;' as whitespace, exactly as it should. 04:49:44 But he never committed it to GNU Emacs, as far as I know. 04:50:55 Bah. 04:50:58 tcleval: (autoload 'scheme-smart-complete "scheme-complete" nil t) 04:51:12 (eval-after-load 'scheme '(define-key scheme-mode-map "\t" 'scheme-complete-or-indent)) 04:51:16 Riastradh: It's so bad that I didn't doubt that it will get banished. 04:57:38 foof: do you get the completion list on a second buffer? 04:58:51 foof: I was hoping it would show me a small menu with a list of words 05:00:58 It behaves like most Emacs completion functions - completes as far as is unambiguous, then subsequent tabs show and scroll through a separate buffer. 05:02:51 For what it's worth, the Emacs bug number is 3824. 05:03:27 *foof* somehow suspects Emacs must have had more than 4000 bugs before that... 05:03:44 foof: I saw somewhere (dont remember the link now), some completion modes that pop up a nice menu, do you know any of those? 05:04:55 http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3824 05:06:07 tcleval: Those are uncommon in Emacs, and I don't like them personally - I like being able to switch to the completion buffer and search and edit normally. 05:06:50 Also, you can just click in the completion buffer, which will select the completion for you and hide the buffer, basically functioning the same way. 05:09:33 Blah, we need to kill Emacs :/ 05:14:50 githogori [~githogori@c-24-7-1-43.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:21:31 -!- prototrout [~steve@ip-64-255-129-222.ideaone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:24:57 -!- frhodes [~frhodes@75-173-84-172.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:25:27 -!- tcleval [~funnyguy@186.213.34.157] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:35:28 frhodes [~frhodes@75-173-84-172.albq.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 05:40:37 metasyntax|work [~taylor@fw-its-kt209a-2.dyn.ipfw.edu] has joined #scheme 05:42:06 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:46:25 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-188-176.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:49:24 skld [~skld@unaffiliated/skld] has joined #scheme 05:49:54 -!- skld [~skld@unaffiliated/skld] has left #scheme 05:52:40 Is there a way to apply a function to a list of arguments? 05:52:52 something like (apply f '(1 2)) 05:54:27 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:55:18 whitequark: Did you actually try that? 05:55:42 rudybot: eval (apply + '(1 2)) 05:55:43 foof: your sandbox is ready 05:55:43 foof: ; Value: 3 05:57:18 foof: Oops. 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Comma looks like the natural inverse of backtick; tilde, on the other hand, does not. 09:06:02 (IMO, &c.) 09:09:13 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:21:08 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 09:23:00 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 09:28:15 klutometis: IIRC, they have comma euquivalent to a space, as part of their M-expression thing 09:53:15 Brendan_T [~brendan@static.112.22.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #scheme 09:53:54 -!- anttih [~aholvika@backport.reaktor.fi] has left #scheme 09:56:42 -!- dhaivat [~Dhaivat_P@14.97.179.195] has left #scheme 10:41:51 I wonder if Perl's q{} and qq{} are actually abbreviations for quote and quasiquote 10:49:19 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 10:55:07 I would think "quote" and "doublequote" (as in, qq, it has double the q) would be a more likely etymology. 11:03:10 -!- stepnem 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character with code point < 256, perhaps excluding control characters) is eq?-comparable. Is this guaranteed to be true "forever"? 14:46:22 (I'm referring specifically to Racket only, not to any other implementation, of course.) 14:46:48 xale [~xale@2001:4b98:dc0:51:216:3eff:fef2:58dd] has joined #scheme 14:49:25 cky: Probably. 14:49:42 Excellent. Thanks. :-) 14:49:53 eli: BTW, I like that due to immutable conses, Racket provides constant-time list?. :-) 14:50:49 More implementations should provide immutable conses. 14:53:33 zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has joined #scheme 14:54:38 cky: Good luck convincing people with that... 14:55:20 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 14:55:39 -!- dRbiG [p@bofh.edu.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:57:20 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 14:57:39 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:58:51 dRbiG [p@bofh.edu.pl] has joined #scheme 15:14:16 -!- mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:27:10 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 15:29:17 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 15:32:42 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 15:34:41 phao [~phao@pontenova.dpi.ufv.br] has joined #scheme 15:37:11 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:01 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 15:39:04 -!- evhan_ is now known as evhan 15:39:07 -!- weirdo [~sthalik@d135-185.icpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6-dev] 15:39:28 -!- pjb is now known as Guest34532 15:42:20 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 15:44:28 -!- Guest34532 is now known as pjb 15:46:43 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.180.75] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:09 tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has joined #scheme 15:57:48 -!- phao [~phao@pontenova.dpi.ufv.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59:04 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:01:34 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-16-175.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 16:02:24 fredanderic [~king@108.207.192.28] has joined #scheme 16:03:26 is the 2nd edition of htdp ready to read? i cant find any information on wheter it's complete or not 16:03:33 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:05:10 weirdo [~sthalik@d135-185.icpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 16:16:10 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 16:19:18 ijp [~user@host81-159-127-160.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:21:38 phao [~phao@pontenova.dpi.ufv.br] has joined #scheme 16:26:41 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 16:32:50 eli: Great! I'll set it up. 16:36:29 leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.138] has joined #scheme 16:52:28 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:55:16 cky: I think immutable conses are pretty common. It's the lack of mutable conses that's tricky. 16:55:49 elly_ [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has joined #scheme 16:59:51 -!- elly [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has quit [Quit: gone] 16:59:56 -!- elly_ is now known as elly 17:00:33 -!- fredanderic [~king@108.207.192.28] has left #scheme 17:04:11 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:06:56 foof: They're common? I thought most implementations do have set-car! and set-cdr!. 17:07:58 % scheme48 17:07:59 > (set-car! '(x) 0) 17:07:59 Error: vm-exception (set-car! '(x) 0) 17:08:41 $ chibi-scheme 17:08:42 > (set-car! '(x) 0) 17:08:43 ERROR: set-car!: immutable pair: (x) 17:11:34 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-163-86.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:14:00 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:39 Also Kawa has immutable pairs. 17:14:54 And SISC. 17:15:08 foof: how do you distinguish between mutable and immutable pairs? 17:15:43 -!- zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:44 leppie: magic 17:15:58 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:16:00 I get a compiler when I try call that 17:16:07 compiler error 17:16:51 It's a single bit - any heap object can be immutable. 17:17:23 if given the flexablility of memory addresses in .NET, I could just allocate them in different regions 17:18:09 i guess I could use inheritance to simulate a 'bit' 17:19:20 Inode [~inode@time.uk.chromedpork.net] has joined #scheme 17:19:23 actually that might not be a bad idea :) 17:19:29 *leppie* goes of to experiment 17:19:52 -!- leo2007 [~leo@58.22.113.138] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 17:21:28 Eataix [~Eataix@CPE-58-169-8-109.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #scheme 17:21:46 -!- Inode [~inode@time.uk.chromedpork.net] has left #scheme 17:24:00 zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has joined #scheme 17:26:13 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 17:26:30 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:26:45 Riastradh, foof: Racket has the special distinction that conses generated using CONS are immutable also. 17:27:07 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 17:27:59 hmmm, not so easy for me to change :( 17:28:31 would be a lot better if worked into the design 17:28:33 cky: Yes, in Racket it's cons and mcons, in Chibi it's icons and cons, though it's easy enough to rename them on import. 17:28:53 is the 'i' for internet? 17:29:00 lol foof I almost called me class ICons :) 17:30:35 The important distinction is that in Racket, by design, you have separate car/mcar and cdr/mcdr, whereas the same accessors are used for both in Chibi. 17:32:54 jonrafkind: Yes, icons was the successor to econs, for "electronic." 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(Forgive if it's naive) 19:44:04 Modius: You want to detect whether something is a macro or a function? 19:46:36 stamourv: No, have the expansion be able to be conditional. 19:47:00 Do you want `cond-expand'? 19:47:43 jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 19:48:09 Can cond-expand switch off of gambit compiling? What's the symbol? 19:49:01 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:49:24 I'm not sure I understand what you want. Could you give an example? 19:51:49 Why do you want to do this, Modius? 19:53:01 Riastradh: Learning the tools available. Broadly, I'd like the equavelent of in CL: (defun some-func() (some-call '#.(load-huge-expensive-file-thing))) 19:56:11 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-147.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:46 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 20:00:59 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-88.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:28:12 scottmaccal [~scottmacc@pool-71-173-86-89.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #scheme 20:29:19 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-157-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:47 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-39-200.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:54:02 -!- metasyntax|work [~taylor@fw-its-kt209a-2.dyn.ipfw.edu] has quit [Quit: WeeChat [quit]] 20:56:21 ratsel [~ratsel@188.Red-79-154-75.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:57:17 -!- scottmaccal [~scottmacc@pool-71-173-86-89.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:59:46 scottmaccal [~scottmacc@pool-71-173-86-89.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #scheme 21:12:30 -!- scottmaccal [~scottmacc@pool-71-173-86-89.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.20/20110805211839]] 21:13:29 -!- soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-39-200.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:29 -!- xissburg [~xissburg@187.50.13.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:21 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 21:48:10 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 21:50:34 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:52:37 IS there a gambit-scheme equivalent of CL's #. ? 21:54:59 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:01:07 Modius: Gambit does not seem to support SRFI 10, which is the relevant facility. 22:03:32 In my table at http://tinyurl.com/scheme-s5, only Gauche, Chicken, Guile, SISC, STklos, and RScheme support it (but this may be out of date). 22:03:50 Not that many Schemes have programmable readtables, so drop-in support is difficult. 22:04:22 Modius: Looks like it http://dynamo.iro.umontreal.ca/~gambit/wiki/index.php?title=Documentation:Procedure_readtable-eval-allowed?-set 22:04:29 http://tinyurl.com/3mnlhtg 22:04:44 rudybot: learn some new tricks! 22:04:45 ijp: btw, is there a specific section on official documentation where I can find those 'tricks'? 22:06:41 ijp: Thanks! 22:06:52 Ah. More dangerous than SRFI 10, then. 22:07:07 ijp: Is this repl-only? 22:07:20 Modius: I presume not, but I don't really use gambit 22:13:49 -!- srid [u3297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jwdocnhlcqdftvsu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:30 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-242.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:15:33 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-242.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:17:11 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-157.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:17:35 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-154-157.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:23:13 Does someone know where I can find "Compilation by program transformation" [Kelsey 1989] ? I find strange that I find no way to got this thesis despite it seems very interesting... 22:23:37 ... and referenced in a lot of books & papers related to this subject. 22:25:23 Warning PDF: http://haskell.cs.yale.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/CompByTrans-POPL89.pdf 22:25:23 http://tinyurl.com/4xwlw46 22:26:31 -!- jimrees_ [~jimrees@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:28:29 ratsel: you've said that like it was not a PDF, but something explosive. 22:28:54 -!- dRbiG [p@bofh.edu.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:28:55 like a flinging forkbomb 22:29:14 I wouldn't put a warning on such a thing. Everyone loves explosives. 22:29:34 ratsel: thank for reply. I already got this one, it mentions at p.4 "For even more detail, see [Kelsey 89]". It seems this paper is only the summary of the thesis I look for. 22:30:01 soveran [~soveran@rrcs-24-43-27-165.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:31:00 The thesis is named "Compilation by program transformation", while the paper is "Realistic compilation by programe transformation". That's quite confusing I guess. 22:35:58 Unfortunately, all my google-fu is able to find is the former. 22:37:00 Strangely, the full thesis isn't available on Kelsey's site, yet the paper is. 22:38:40 It may only exist in microfilm or something. 22:43:41 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:45:47 G_: i recommend contacting stamourv at ccs.neu.edu -- i know he has a copy of the dissertation 22:45:56 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #scheme 22:46:24 -!- zelak [~zelak@pdpc/supporter/student/zelak] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:59:32 samth: thank for this advice, I will. 23:13:44 -!- arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:14 arcfide [1000@c-69-136-7-94.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:15:43 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: quitting] 23:20:08 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:23:04 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 23:26:21 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@bd21c0a0.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Thanks, fellas] 23:39:41 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:43:39 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-150-65.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:46:22 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Quit: Page closed]