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dostoyevsky: This behaviour is not tunable. 16:37:14 dostoyevsky: Plus, because CASE uses EQV? to do matching, the only meaningful things in the match lists are booleans, symbols, numbers, characters, and the empty list. 16:37:44 dostoyevsky: In particular, trying to match strings, non-empty lists, and vectors will not give the desired results. 16:49:20 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:49:20 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:09:58 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 17:10:29 weinholt: I settled with (case 'foo ('foo 'works) (else 'not-working)) <- then it worked... 17:11:00 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:11:53 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:12:44 dostoyevsky, that's because 'foo is the same as (quote foo). try it: (case 'quote ('foo 'works) (else 'not-working)) 17:16:24 thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0647.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 17:19:48 weinholt: I am still a bit confused by this... why does 'quote match ('foo 'works) ? 17:21:29 At least my scheme and racket always give the same result for these examples of (case) :-) 17:23:42 dostoyevsky: That's because CASE autoquotes everything in match lists. 17:24:10 dostoyevsky: It's like weinholt says: using 'foo means you're using a match list of (quote foo), i.e., both 'quote and 'foo get matched. 17:25:01 cky: Ah... so 'boo ('foo 'matched) will match because of (quote foo)... tricky... 17:25:20 No, 'boo won't match. 17:25:22 'quote will. 17:25:24 -!- jesusito [~user@244.pool85-49-244.dynamic.orange.es] has left #scheme 17:25:48 As will 'foo. 17:26:11 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 17:36:24 -!- thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0647.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:38:20 I need better test cases... 17:39:25 :-) 17:41:52 cky, Heya. there was talk of macros last night, I asked: 17:41:55 cky, What else has (decent) macros? 17:42:46 As in what other languages. C does not. (imho anyway) 17:43:11 dsmith: Right. Hmmm. 17:43:28 dsmith: I have a friend who very highly recommends Nemerle's macro system. But I've never used it myself. 17:45:54 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:46:23 -!- ivartj [~ivartj@ti0031a380-0522.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:47:05 -!- prototrout [~steve@ip-64-255-129-222.ideaone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:49:06 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 17:51:01 Are R5RS's macros nice? I am not sure whether all these pattern transformations are really what I want to do in all cases... 17:53:11 dostoyevsky: syntax-rules is pretty decent for simpler macros. 17:53:37 dostoyevsky: For complicated macros, you will probably want to use something else, like syntax-case (or whatever your implementation provides). 17:54:29 dostoyevsky: Most Scheme implementations implement syntax-rules based on a different, more powerful macro system, so syntax-rules doesn't suit your needs, you will be using whatever other macro system your implementation has. 17:54:38 *so if 17:55:18 dostoyevsky: In the case of Racket, Chez, and Guile, that would be syntax-case; in the case of Chicken, that would be explicit renaming; etc. 17:58:27 thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0647.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 18:02:35 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:03:31 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 18:17:14 -!- thomanil 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