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00:27:33 They're not fruits. :-\ 00:27:40 I think he meant strawberries. 00:27:51 definately kangaroos 00:28:10 :-\ 00:29:24 Raspberries are in season now. 00:29:43 Strawberries too, I picked some today. 00:29:54 No, I mean MIT Scheme is 20% faster as of a few hours ago. 00:30:27 Slow and steady wins the race, Riastradh. 00:30:31 On i386 and amd64, anyway. 00:30:57 kilimanjaro, well, I counterbalanced it by a change that made MIT Scheme .5% slower at a cost of increased robustness. 00:31:39 You were not seeking my approval but you have it nonetheless! 00:44:04 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:04:12 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-133-164.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04:23 how does it compare to racket? 01:04:53 the racket implementation of Brainf*ck is now 500% faster! 01:05:03 Smart people plant strawberries on elevated platforms. 01:11:17 according to TIOBE scheme and CL together are more popular than ruby 01:19:12 -!- alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:31:06 kvda [3ba7f855@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.167.248.85] has joined #scheme 01:33:01 alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has joined #scheme 01:43:23 -!- dakeyras [~dakeyras@50.46.100.36] has quit [Quit: dakeyras] 01:56:15 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:01:45 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:20:00 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:23:07 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:23:49 *Axioplase_* puts on his IT-world domination T-shirt. 02:31:31 *foof* puts on a Hawaiian shirt and a fedora 02:33:13 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:34:58 aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has joined #scheme 02:35:39 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39:06 and pants, I hope. 02:41:52 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:44:14 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:16 littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has joined #scheme 02:50:02 he's already wearing a grass skirt 02:58:09 -!- pranq_ [pranq@bbis.us] has quit [K-Lined] 02:58:49 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: bombshelter13b] 03:05:27 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:10:56 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:12:09 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95315ce.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:17:53 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 03:33:14 Where we're going, you won't need pants 03:34:37 only skirts! 03:37:12 Scotland? 03:45:50 http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Inventory 03:46:41 -!- DrDuck [~duck@adsl-98-81-125-232.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:47:29 Does anyone use register windows with a precise garbage collector? 03:52:21 -!- kniu [~kniu@pool-96-250-3-60.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:53:40 kniu [~kniu@pool-96-250-3-60.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:00:41 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 04:04:11 DrDuck [~duck@adsl-98-81-125-232.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #scheme 04:20:48 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:18 -!- kvda [3ba7f855@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.167.248.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:25:23 What native Sparc compilers are there aside from Larceny? 04:29:18 I'm guessing the same strategy would be used, except on GC you'd have to swap in each set of registers to mark in turn. 04:33:39 whats a register window 04:43:37 aalix [~aalix@c-24-62-84-174.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:53:00 -!- DrDuck [~duck@adsl-98-81-125-232.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:04:06 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.202] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:11:17 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-226.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:13:34 jonrafkind, If I remember correctly, a register window is the space on the stack where a set of registers are stored before calling a subroutine that can overrite them. 05:13:45 overwrite* 05:23:17 then afaik racket uses such a thing 05:34:24 jonrafkind: It's a hardware feature not present in x86, or most modern architectures. 05:34:35 *Axioplase_* used to do it manually. 05:34:49 I didn't know some hardware would have such a function. 05:35:40 carleastlund: but that depends on whether it's the caller's job or the calle's job to save the registers that need to be restored 05:35:42 doesnt x86 have a function for saving all important registers on thes tack? 05:35:56 pusha or something 05:36:19 pusha 05:36:25 *Axioplase_* thanks wikipedia 05:36:48 I've heard the term used on Sparc, I believe. There were register windows there, always a fixed size. 05:38:55 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:39:20 jonrafkind: it depends on whether you call modern SPARC "modern" or not. 05:42:25 what depends 05:46:27 nataraj [~nataraj@122.165.223.135] has joined #scheme 05:50:59 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 05:51:54 Ah, sorry, I misread. 05:52:00 jonrafkind: It's a hardware feature not present in x86, or most modern architectures. 05:53:07 ASau, didn't know you are a schemer 05:53:53 nataraj: no, I'm lispnik. 05:54:12 That doesn't mean I can't use Scheme in some conditions. 05:55:33 would you mind hinting on the specific conditions? 05:56:45 -!- djcb [~user@a88-114-88-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:57:29 Under time pressure and when there're some schemers but not lispniks around. 05:58:45 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 05:59:11 jonrafkind: It's a performance hack, popular on SPARC. 05:59:20 See the wikipedia page. 05:59:57 Ah, hell. I was going to check and submit patches for Racket around a month ago... 06:00:11 (Which BTW, has this joke: "For many programs a chain of six is as deep as the program will go.") 06:06:06 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:06:21 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:08:58 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09:16 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:09:21 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #scheme 06:12:05 -!- littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:16:43 what is the modulus operator in scheme? %? 06:16:51 eli: That was probably written by a Forth programmer :) 06:18:17 -!- framling [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:18:41 framling 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Racket? 16:31:58 drscheme (same as rachet 16:32:01 Intermediate 16:32:07 gui and draw techpacks 16:32:15 Never used that. But some here have, probably just wait a bit, someone might answer 16:32:23 tnks 16:37:01 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-104.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:41:00 -!- stis [~AndChat@host-90-236-151-56.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:41:02 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:41:21 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 16:43:01 githogori [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has joined #scheme 16:45:21 -!- thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0802.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:50:58 HG` [~HG@p5DC05036.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 16:55:30 kuribas [~user@94-227-94-8.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 17:02:25 thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0802.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 17:08:55 -!- thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0802.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:10:10 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 17:12:20 HG`` [~HG@p579F7463.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 17:15:22 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05036.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:20:32 thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0802.bb.online.no] has joined #scheme 17:24:21 aalix [~aalix@99-159-30-101.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:26:32 -!- rrm3 [~rrm3@rrm3.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:26:38 -!- aalix [~aalix@99-159-30-101.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:26:58 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@bd21c582.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Thanks, fellas] 17:27:52 pandeiro [~pandeiro@bd21c582.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 17:32:14 -!- tab1ta [~tab1ta@host79-59-dynamic.55-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:38:18 -!- HG`` [~HG@p579F7463.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:39:10 -!- pandeiro [~pandeiro@bd21c582.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Thanks, fellas] 17:39:11 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45:03 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:47:47 -!- turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:18 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:40 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:54:43 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:22 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:04:52 -!- thomanil [~Adium@ti0165a340-dhcp0802.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:06:40 monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 18:09:51 vdvluc [~vdvluc@vdvluc.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 18:15:27 teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 18:15:45 HG` [~HG@p579F7463.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:16:22 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 18:17:17 teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 18:24:41 -!- teurastaja [~Samuel@modemcable072.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: --> Put something intelligent here when I'm more bored <--] 18:29:35 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7463.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:31:16 -!- XTL [~XTL@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6af800-251.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:31:34 XTL [~XTL@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6af800-251.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 18:42:37 LTX [~XTL@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6af800-251.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 18:42:48 -!- XTL [~XTL@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6af800-251.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:42:48 -!- LTX is now known as XTL 18:44:52 Bahman [~bahman@2.144.251.232] has joined #scheme 18:45:17 Hi all! 18:50:05 -!- kpal [eart0186@raven.linux.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:15:53 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 19:19:30 jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 19:22:19 h0nk h0nk 19:30:27 ,(list 1 2 3) 19:31:20 -!- vdvluc [~vdvluc@vdvluc.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:31:25 vdvluc [~vdvluc@vdvluc.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 19:33:47 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #scheme 19:35:54 -!- _p4bl0 [~user@berthold.shebang.ws] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:36:38 _p4bl0 [~user@berthold.shebang.ws] has joined #scheme 19:36:56 -!- framling [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:37:30 framling [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:45:06 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-61.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 19:51:42 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:57:27 keenbug [~daniel@p4FE38FF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 19:59:16 jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 20:09:53 tricus [~tricus@h69-130-142-158.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #scheme 20:09:53 -!- tricus [~tricus@h69-130-142-158.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has left #scheme 20:11:02 foof: actually, Forth _discourages_ any recursion. 20:11:54 foof: it has more powerful looping constructs than languages with curly braces. 20:12:03 (although slightly) 20:12:23 littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has joined #scheme 20:14:16 ASau including CL's loop? 20:14:26 kennyd: no, not that. :) 20:14:37 :P 20:14:38 ASau, but you can manually optimize tail calls, you can manipulate the return stack. 20:14:58 DT``: that's possible but not encouraged at all. 20:15:23 (Also, it is allowed by crazy standard not to be possible.) 20:15:45 -!- vdvluc [~vdvluc@vdvluc.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:16:06 Using recursion in Forth is the first sign of real-programminess. 20:16:22 Like "Scheme programmer will use recursion in any language." 20:18:02 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:21:05 More recent concatenative languages have some nice HOFs that do the recursion for you 20:22:10 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-101-227.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 20:22:18 It's not a problem to create similar combinator in Forth. 20:22:45 Which still doesn't need recursion, you can go with loops as well. 20:22:45 e.g. "linrec P T R1 R2" (where all four arguments are quotations) which executes P, and if it yields true, executes T. Otherwise it executes R1, recurses, and executes R2. 20:22:55 ASau: True on both counts 20:23:09 *jcowan* loves the beauty of Joy, but is no concatenative programmer 20:23:17 I have a half-finished Joy interpreter in Chicken 20:24:04 It is easy to see that the simple search in its primitive form, 20:24:18 begin ... while ... while ... repeat ... else ... then 20:24:30 is nothing except the combinator. 20:24:59 "a" combinator. 20:25:19 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-110-129.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:25:24 Only you don't need to create quotations as separate objects. 20:26:15 Sure. The point of Joy is to do the same things while remaining almost-pure and functional. 20:26:59 *ASau* shrugs. 20:27:11 vdvluc [~vdvluc@vdvluc.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 20:27:40 beep beep 20:27:52 When you have postfix notation for function calls it is hard to distinguish between "functional" and "non-functional." 20:28:23 (If you don't have memory store operations.) 20:33:45 -!- vdvluc [~vdvluc@vdvluc.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:34:07 zmv [~daniel@c95315ce.virtua.com.br] has joined #scheme 20:39:12 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-93-182-164.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:48 vdvluc [~vdvluc@vdvluc.xs4all.nl] has joined #scheme 20:40:42 jcowan_ [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 20:41:02 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 20:41:34 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:42:28 francogrex [~user@109.130.246.116] has joined #scheme 20:42:56 -!- jcowan_ is now known as jcowan 20:43:03 has anyone tried building chibi on MinGW's gcc? 20:48:46 HG` [~HG@p579F7ED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 20:51:50 -!- jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:59:44 -!- vdvluc [~vdvluc@vdvluc.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:59:44 -!- keenbug [~daniel@p4FE38FF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:04:45 jcowan [c6b912cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.185.18.207] has joined #scheme 21:08:18 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:10:53 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7ED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:16:02 Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 21:16:37 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.246.116] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:35 -!- framling [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:17:38 -!- Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has left #scheme 21:18:01 framling [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:19:49 -!- framling [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:20:10 framling [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:28:49 copumpkin [~pumpkin@207.228.237.150] has joined #scheme 21:28:49 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@207.228.237.150] has quit [Changing host] 21:28:49 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 21:39:53 kpal [eart0186@raven.linux.ox.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 21:49:35 -!- tupi [~david@139.82.89.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:11 tupi [~david@189.60.162.202] has joined #scheme 21:51:10 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 21:52:41 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:53:13 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 22:01:47 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-240.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:32 aisa [~aisa@209.234.140.58] has joined #scheme 22:09:23 -!- aisa [~aisa@209.234.140.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:11:44 -!- mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:23 mario-goulart [~user@67.205.85.241] has joined #scheme 22:16:15 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:24:56 -!- futilius` [~otheruser@2001:470:d:128:216:3eff:fe86:c70e] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:24:56 -!- dsp_ [~tt@acidlab.technoanimal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:25:36 dsp_ [~tt@acidlab.technoanimal.net] has joined #scheme 22:25:50 futilius [~otheruser@2001:470:d:128:216:3eff:fe86:c70e] has joined #scheme 22:26:06 -!- tauntaun is now known as tauntaun_away 22:26:09 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:31:05 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 22:46:18 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:47:53 -!- elly [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:48:38 elly [~elly@atheme/member/elly] has joined #scheme 22:55:10 wilx_ [wilx@shell.sh.cvut.cz] has joined #scheme 22:57:21 -!- wilx [wilx@shell.sh.cvut.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:03:18 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:19 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-206-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:07:29 Is there any tutorials out there for implementing a basic try/catch block with call/cc in scheme? I already have Lisp In Small Pieces, so if that's the source, that's cool. Otherwise I hear Appel's Compiling with Continuations is quite good as well. Not sure if those are what I want. Also reading through Teach Yourself Scheme in Fixnum Days, which apparently has an example for the amb operator using call/cc 23:12:50 pcavs_: Yes, Appel's book is good. I don't remember LiSP talking much about the use of call/cc. You may read: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Condition-Handling-2001.html 23:13:52 pjb: thanks! I'll take a look 23:14:22 -!- pcavs_ [~pcavallar@63.139.127.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:16:44 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:17:23 pchrist: there's also "Metacircular Semantics for Common Lisp Special Forms". 23:19:16 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:25:35 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 23:27:54 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:29:27 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-234-12.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:31:01 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:36:56 does that use continuations? 23:41:41 No, but it gives some equivalences, and makes you better understand the semantics. 23:43:09 -!- Bahman [~bahman@2.144.251.232] has quit [Quit: Farewell] 23:58:52 -!- soveran [~soveran@186.19.214.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]