00:02:34 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 00:03:05 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-23.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 00:03:54 Intensity [7laoh6XvKb@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #scheme 00:44:17 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 00:46:36 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:57:31 AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable020.240-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 01:17:06 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-23.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Restarting Emacs...] 01:19:57 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-23.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 01:21:10 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:23:10 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-152-135-21.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 01:27:23 -!- poindontcare [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:24 -!- replore_ [~replore@ntkngw256114.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:33 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:31:38 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 01:35:50 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:36:57 Given a symbol, how do I tell whether it is bound to a procedure? 01:37:21 PROCEDURE? 01:37:36 ah :P 01:37:58 I thought I had to first check if it was bound, then check that it's a procedure. 01:40:06 gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 01:52:59 So if I know 'foo is bound to a procedure, and I only have 'foo as bound to a variable `sym', how do I call the procedure bound to the symbol bound to sym? 01:53:50 In pseudo-code, (let ((sym 'foo)) (if (procedure sym) [then what?])) 01:53:55 *procedure? 01:56:35 samth_ [~samth@c-24-128-51-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:03:31 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 02:04:57 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 02:22:09 framling [~user@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:42:05 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 02:44:41 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:51:39 If (symbol? +) => #f, then what am I passing to `symbol?'? 03:06:28 the function + 03:09:15 (symbol? 'f) might be illuminating 03:09:22 (or (symbol? '+)) 03:13:02 -!- dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:29:47 How do I unquote a symbol? 03:29:59 (e.g. to go from '+ to +) 03:30:39 -!- anderson [~user@c-76-18-219-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:33:01 aidalgol: eval 03:33:21 -!- stis [~AndChat@host-90-235-20-176.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:34:27 Oh, so I actually *do* want eval in this instance. 03:34:59 no, you don't. 03:35:01 I thought using eval is almost always a Very Bad Idea. 03:35:14 yes, you are doing something wrong if you need eval 03:35:32 OK, lemme get a small example... 03:37:22 aidalgol pasted "symbol hell" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122578 03:37:56 The `if' conditional is never true. :/ 03:38:30 that's because cmd-procname is a symbol 03:38:48 it is important to realize the difference between the name "a" (which is written 'a) and the thing referred to by a (which is written a) 03:38:49 Right, but do you see what I'm trying to do? 03:39:02 so if you (define a 3), a is 3, but 'a is the symbol "a" 03:39:10 does that distinction make sense? 03:39:13 Yes. 03:39:34 so your problem is that cmd-procname is a symbol, which is not a procedure 03:39:42 if you want the thing cmd-procname refers to, you want EVAL 03:39:58 apply does not work there because apply takes a procedure, not a symbol 03:40:01 But I am doing something badly if I need evil right? 03:40:09 s/evil right/eval, right/ 03:40:42 the code you are writing looks like it takes a string from the user and runs the function named by it 03:40:45 which is exactly what eval is for 03:40:46 aidalgol: keep a list of ('foobar . cmd-foobar) 03:40:57 you can do that too :) 03:41:07 *elly* . o O ( You can generate that list with a macro! ) 03:41:20 Ah HA! 03:41:30 An opportunity to get my head around macros! :) 03:43:33 elly: Can you give an example? :) 03:43:39 something like (define-macro (define-cmd name args . body) `(append! *cmds* (,name . (lambda ,args ,@body))) 03:44:51 0.o 03:45:24 First, does the *stars-around-globals* convention apply to Scheme, as well as CL? 03:45:51 At least one person uses it (me) 03:46:25 aj 03:46:27 *ah 03:47:17 APPEND! makes me sad :P 03:47:21 but that is just a lazy excuse not to write lambda 03:47:30 elly: then use prepend! 03:47:42 :P 03:47:48 If you're using DEFINE-MACRO, you're making a mistake... 03:47:49 I will give an example shortly, aidalgol 03:47:52 I am slightly distracted 03:48:02 elly: OK, thanks. 03:48:27 Riastradh: What should be used instead? 03:48:46 DEFINE-SYNTAX, together with SYNTAX-RULES or similar. 03:49:10 those are for purists 03:49:41 ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:49:51 I mean, gambit doesn't support them natively 03:49:53 No, they are for programmers who don't want to introduce fundamental bugs into their programs. 03:50:24 being a purist is vastly underrated ;) 03:50:52 *aidalgol* is giving himself a headache reading the Macros section of the Guile manual. 03:51:14 Riastradh: I always get by with judicious use of gensym 03:51:19 No, you don't. 03:51:46 If you're using DEFINE-MACRO, you are introducing subtle errors that are likely not to manifest in casual testing. 03:52:12 Use of GENSYM, no matter how judicious, does not solve these errors. 03:53:16 that's why I don't (let ((cons ...)) ...) 03:54:22 sorry.. 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I do wish gambit had a native version 04:01:16 hba [~hba@189.130.166.233] has joined #scheme 04:03:59 bokr [~eduska@109.110.51.245] has joined #scheme 04:06:30 *elly* thinks syntax-rules is really elegant 04:16:41 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:35:54 -!- samth_ [~samth@c-24-128-51-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:38:13 *zmv* walks back to the DEFUN side :P 04:39:12 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:42:34 saccade [~saccade@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 04:43:22 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:53:20 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 04:53:54 -!- JoelMcCracken [~user@pool-96-236-166-197.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:58:49 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95315ce.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:09:35 gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 05:13:32 -!- saccade [~saccade@74-95-7-186-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:37:09 What exactly is `syntax-rules'? 05:38:37 Actually, scratch that. 05:40:06 Can someone please give me an example of a use of `syntax-rules' with literals? 05:42:34 And why would you want to use improper lists in a macro? 05:47:16 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 06:03:17 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:05:36 -!- AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable020.240-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:14:18 aidalgol: for example, to process forms such as: (lambda (f . arguments) arguments) 06:15:44 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:23:38 gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-47-77.dyn.bashtel.ru] has joined #scheme 06:27:54 pjb: well that's still a proper list, if i understand this correctly 06:27:59 you are consing f on arguments 06:28:34 Syntactically, that is improper. 06:28:44 And macros process syntax. 06:28:57 Well, 'foo is an improper list, while we're at it 06:32:03 ohwow: (f . arguments) is not a proper list. 06:33:13 rudybot: eval '(1 . 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I thought both kinds are easy. 18:02:11 so at the risk of parading my ignorance, is a "syntactically improper list" the same as a not-necessarily-proper list? 18:02:17 It's not so easy when you include circular lists. 18:02:29 githogori [~githogori@12.233.201.2] has joined #scheme 18:02:34 according to tspl, circular lists are not proper 18:05:05 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05:50 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 18:07:15 bremner: That is correct. 18:07:21 Proper lists must terminate, and with () only. 18:08:28 cky: I guess I just like the constructive, recursive definition of proper lists. 18:08:59 bremner: it's harder to test that a list terminates. 18:09:12 hint: your function must terminate, it! 18:09:37 *bremner* has heard of this halting problem thingy 18:09:55 pjb: An arbitrarily-long list takes arbitrarily long to test for finiteness. ;-) 18:15:26 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@109.74.204.224] has joined #scheme 18:20:42 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C43746.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:22:16 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 18:24:20 jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:29:14 -!- githogori [~githogori@12.233.201.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:31:31 HG` [~HG@p579F775F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:32:47 hoi 18:33:06 polloi 18:33:34 You're the second IRCwit to use that joke. 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None of them will force you to use emacs 22:32:08 tshauck: Try DrScheme 22:32:14 It has its own environment 22:32:36 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 22:37:52 -!- stis [~AndChat@host-78-79-249-240.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:40:34 would there be a good one if I wanted to use vim, I'm pretty good with it so I'd like to be able to stick with it 22:41:06 Probably all of them can be used with vim 22:42:45 any recommended tutorials or some instructions on how to set it up? trying to get into lisp/scheme from the outside is kinda daunting 22:43:14 Uh, how to set what up? 22:43:36 scheme, then to use it with vim 22:44:18 You type scheme code in vim, then save it, or something... 22:44:28 Is that all? 22:44:28 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:44:41 I have no idea 22:45:05 I'm trying to figure out how to set it up and use it 22:45:40 Set up and use what? 22:45:56 scheme 22:46:28 Pick any scheme interpreter or compiler, download it and follow its instructions. 22:46:37 yum install guile 22:46:58 or equivalent on your os 22:47:32 ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-173-57-102-171.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:49:06 mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:50:35 tshauck: you might check out slimv 23:21:05 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-23.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #scheme 23:31:52 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-71-105.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34:39 tshauck: I am starting out in scheme now as well; and also am a [recovering] vim user. 23:35:37 tshauck: I also got a little overly concerned with picking the Right Scheme(tm) off the bat. don't do that. 23:35:44 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-112-189.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:54 tshauck: if there's a racket distribution for your OS, I'd start with DrRacket (née DrScheme) and just use the built-in repl until you're ready for larger projects. 23:38:42 tshauck: as far as syntax files, my installation of vim 7.2 has scheme syntax, indent, and ftplugin files included 23:39:28 -!- tshauck [~tshauck@99-109-59-35.lightspeed.mssnks.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: tshauck] 23:41:16 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-23.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:41:19 in the absense of a good racket distribution, mit-scheme is fine and sometimes easier to find packaged. I've also heard good things about chicken and gambit. 23:41:49 I think the important thing is just to get started; if, down the road, you find you need something more/different, then you'll know what to look for. 23:43:02 -!- ijp [~user@host109-153-23-149.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:49:31 araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has joined #scheme 23:49:34 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.44.29] has quit [Changing host] 23:49:34 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 23:52:51 -!- mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:55:50 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:57:12 tildeleb [~leb@c-24-7-85-179.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:59:51 -!- aalix [~aalix@75.85.176.185] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.]