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Intriguing 01:52:01 lots of 'em, too 01:53:54 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has joined #scheme 01:53:58 masm [~masm@bl19-169-236.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 01:54:04 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-169-236.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 01:56:02 offby1: http://rpc.oxfordjournals.org/content/127/3/192/embed/graphic-2.gif 01:56:46 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:57:46 *offby1* is enlightened 02:00:06 -!- dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01:26 ymasory_ [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:01:43 aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has joined #scheme 02:06:44 Lectus [~chatzilla@189.104.250.44] has joined #scheme 02:12:17 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:24:50 foof, can you make the captcha go away for Tor exit nodes? It's very frustrating from w3m... 02:25:52 That, or lisppaste-style captchas, which are w3m-friendly. :-) 02:29:09 (The captcha also entails cookies, and the particular cookies that Google uses for this purpose are either broken, violate some sort of same-origin policy, or tickle a bug in w3m.) 02:29:16 s/are either/either are/1 02:31:30 -!- geoffhill [~geoffhill@165.124.145.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:33:03 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 02:34:57 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37:54 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 02:38:16 Absurd idea: bind C-o to `paredit-open-line', which will move past any closing delimiters after the point before opening the line. How bad is this idea? 02:41:54 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:46:26 Riastradh, is w3m your main browser? 02:47:31 Yes. 02:49:26 ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has joined #scheme 02:50:55 -!- ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has quit [Client Quit] 02:52:18 ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has joined #scheme 02:53:59 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:23 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:55:33 -!- ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has quit [Client Quit] 02:55:40 ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has joined #scheme 02:55:57 -!- ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has quit [Client Quit] 02:56:02 Nice 02:56:19 How does it work? 02:56:31 You don't have images, right? 02:57:00 Well, it first opens up a TCP socket and talks to a web server, and then sends this string of octets, `GET / HTTP/1.1...', and then interprets the result to display it to your terminal... 02:57:05 haha 02:57:13 I meant, how does it work for you? :p 02:57:20 ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has joined #scheme 02:57:41 i.e. do you find yourself switching back to mainstream browsers on many sites? 02:57:42 Any images I want to see I fetch and view with evince in a chrooted sandbox. 02:58:18 I use Firefox for a few things, notably Google searches. 02:58:38 (when the captcha interferes with lots of Tor exit nodes, anyway) 03:00:39 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 03:01:45 Overall, it works great. For example, I don't see ads or any stupid flashing glittery colourful gaudy obnoxious jumping scrolling distracting interfering media on news sites when all I want to do is read the text of the article. 03:03:16 -!- ymasory_ [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03:52 aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has joined #scheme 03:06:14 -!- ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:12:19 rramsden [~rramsden@66.183.78.178] has joined #scheme 03:12:41 -!- rramsden [~rramsden@66.183.78.178] has quit [Client Quit] 03:13:01 ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has joined #scheme 03:13:19 rramsden [~rramsden@66.183.78.178] has joined #scheme 03:13:23 -!- Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:16:32 -!- EarlGray [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:17:21 Nisstyre [~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #scheme 03:18:36 Riastradh: I'll check with arcfide, he maintain's the site. 03:19:13 ^maintains (where did that apostrophe come from?) 03:20:11 foof, oh, no, I meant Google's. 03:20:15 Heh. 03:20:50 Oh... then probably not. 03:22:48 My request was mostly in jest. But seriously I don't think giving the captcha to Tor exit nodes does anything useful for Google besides irritating Tor users; Google might as well just discard any click information from Tor exit nodes. 03:25:25 Which captcha are you referring to? The one to verify you're still logged in? 03:25:59 No, I'll lisppaste a screenshot. 03:29:02 ...or, I would if lisppaste were up. 03:29:05 Grmble. 03:29:55 Brief summary: it says `Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot.' 03:30:45 (It also defeats the purpose of encrypted.google.com, because redirects to and the page contains the query in the clear, which is pretty silly.) 03:31:27 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-52-16.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:48:47 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:50:45 -!- kandinski is now known as javier 03:50:54 -!- javier is now known as kandinski 03:53:29 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:02:52 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@frank.ldc.upenn.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:02 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:26 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 04:05:51 -!- Lectus [~chatzilla@189.104.250.44] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]] 04:06:03 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-123-211.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:06:44 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:07:52 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-106-133.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:07:52 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 04:17:59 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21:38 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 04:21:44 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-155-246.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:22:17 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:22:36 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 04:24:16 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-155-246.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:24:54 Checkie [1465@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 04:27:37 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:30:45 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-18-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:32:30 Hello! I'm a Scheme beginner trying to understand macros. As such, I've defined a keyword called let-multiple that can bind several symbols to the same value within a let context. http://codepad.org/bpI1Jd3F 04:33:04 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 04:33:39 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:33:45 This macro can only handle the case of exactly one value. How do I write a macro that can bind many values within the same let context? 04:34:24 you mean (a b c) (1 2 3) to expand to a=1 b=2 c=3? 04:34:54 adu: More like ((a b c) 42) ((x y z) 17) ... 04:35:06 oh 04:35:13 ask some one else 04:35:33 I don't know scheme, and not in a state to answer questions 04:35:42 adu: Hehe, ok. 04:35:49 but I would recommend adding more variable or more cases or something 04:38:15 adu: Yes, that is something I tried. I was able to easily modify this definition to create a macro where I had cascading lets (call it let*-multiple). 04:38:45 i c 04:38:46 -!- rramsden [~rramsden@66.183.78.178] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:38:46 adu: But I would like let-multiple to bind everything within one let context. 04:39:09 I think I've hit a conceptual wall. =/ 04:40:05 no ,,, abstract :) 04:40:14 Either I need to rethink how I should write this macro or I am unaware of some magic. =) 04:41:49 i knoe 04:43:57 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44:00 eli: In case my tone comes across as harsh or antagonistic, it's not. I _really_ just want to discuss reasonably without ad hominem attacks. 04:45:04 make 2 mactos 04:45:05 I welcome any input you can give into the process. I've read R6RS and the entire discussion list thoroughly, but it's a lot of material to keep in my head, and I'm not an R6RS user personally. 04:45:22 foof: I stand behind what I said -- if anything, Andre's involvement in the discussion makes his opinion *very* *far* from being an argument by authority -- and even if it was, the authority that he's referring to is fully justified as such. 04:46:21 s/the discussion/the r6rs discussion/ 04:46:36 eli: I wasn't thinking of the R6RS editors as an authority, I was thinking of: http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#expert 04:46:39 then one could be a cons-constructed list 04:47:19 Where Andre was specifically claiming to be an expert and to know more about the topic, without actually addressing my point. 04:47:41 foof: Yes, the speaker *is* an expert, and he was referring to a number of people who are *also* experts. 04:48:21 FWIW, I think he did follow your points. I share his frustration in the fact that you think it's the other way. 04:48:22 Which is fine, but it's not an argument. 04:48:41 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:49:02 No, being an expert is not an argument -- but referring to a discussion that was already made is a point that should not be dismissed so quickly. 04:49:41 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 04:49:52 I'm not dismissing it, I was trying to reason about it. The points are all included in my summary. 04:49:57 IMO Andre knows well what he's talking about -- he wasn't on the committee, but OTOH he's one of the few people who know the issues well without being biased towards a specific system. 04:50:12 Your summary misses many of the pros he listed. 04:51:32 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:51:57 And BTW, making a scheme implementation -- even one with a macro system and a module system -- is not something that makes people experts in these issues. That sounds like something that would in general be false, but there are a number of well respected Schemers who are pretty much ignorant about those issues. 04:52:04 (And I'll avoid explicit names, of course.) 04:52:11 -!- Checkie [1465@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:52:20 eli: Look carefully at the discussion. I suggested a module implementation strategy (which may well be total garbage), and instead of pointing out why he thought it was total garbage he fell back on argument from authority. 04:52:50 It was in my own summary that I then pointed out the problems with that implementation strategy. 04:53:03 How does your suggestion deal with renaming `else'? 04:53:12 It doesn't allow it. 04:53:19 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:53:29 Then it's not a solution. 04:54:12 You did, IIRC, provide a description of how you'd make up a language without an `else' -- but that was (IMO) a bad solution to that problem. 04:54:36 OK, so you're not even considering all cases, so our conversation ends here. I may very well agree with you in the end, but I want to reason it out for myself. 04:55:24 Checkie [1227@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 04:55:41 adu: Thanks, I'll try that. 04:55:54 I see two things -- the problems that he pointed at, and the non-solution(s) that you suggested. Which cases am I not considering? 04:56:44 If you label them as non-solutions to begin with then you're not really considering them. 04:57:39 No, I was saying that as far as the problem of providing an `else' under a different name goes, that is a non-solution (as you've said above). 04:59:02 -!- alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@89.129.116.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:49 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 05:04:35 eli: I'm not working under the assumption that the ability to rename the keywords is a required feature. 05:08:17 foof: In that case, a direct answer wrt to that issue ("we do not view this feature as a required one") would have been much better than taking the argument straight to implementation details. It would enable a more focused discussion on whether the features that he pointed at are desirable or not. 05:09:20 As for whether it *is* desirable or not -- I don't see any sane meta-reasoning that allows renaming identifiers like `cond' but not keywords like `else', but that's a discussion that hasn't taken place yet. 05:09:29 -!- ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:09:30 Thanks, I see now I should have made theat more clear. 05:09:50 It just seemed obvious to me because I don't consider _any_ features required :/ 05:10:53 And in any case, that's only one point; he had a bunch of them. With similar possible answers -- for example, there's a (missing) meta discussion on whether binding `else' to some bogus value is a good solution for people who wish to define an `else'-less language. 05:11:55 jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has joined #scheme 05:11:56 Of course you do consider some features required -- you did start from an existing language with some existing requirements; you were required to come up with a module system. The topic of discussion in that thread were by-products of such a system. 05:12:26 -!- tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:19:25 -!- pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-4dbeda80.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:19:48 drdo` [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 05:19:52 pygospa [~TheRealPy@kiel-4dbeda80.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 05:21:00 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:24:13 EarlGray [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has joined #scheme 05:34:03 pete` [~user@74.64.94.88] has joined #scheme 05:35:25 -!- AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable060.239-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: foobar] 05:35:49 -!- pete` [~user@74.64.94.88] has quit [Client Quit] 05:47:49 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@jonr5.dsl.xmission.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:50:25 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 05:58:44 -!- mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59:02 mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has joined #scheme 05:59:13 ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has joined #scheme 06:02:21 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:40 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 06:03:40 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:04:53 -!- mmc1 [~michal@82-148-210-75.fiber.unet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:12:23 _chturne [~chturne@144.32.45.9] has joined #scheme 06:15:11 -!- chturne [~chturne@nas45-9.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:15:16 -!- _chturne is now known as chturne 06:16:44 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-114.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 06:18:03 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-123-211.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:18:04 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 06:21:12 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-68.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 06:22:36 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:25:30 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:27:27 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 06:38:39 hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:42:39 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-114.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:50:40 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:51:12 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 06:55:21 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:59:55 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@pool-71-170-15-148.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:10:26 -!- Checkie [1227@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:12:32 iAmerikan [~JohnnyTru@c-71-227-245-40.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:20:52 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-68.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:30:01 -!- Nils^ [hammerfest@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-kiaiuaemuwbfgzdz] has left #scheme 07:31:35 MethedMan [~Methed_Ma@cpe-24-165-108-248.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 07:32:12 -!- twem2 [~tristan@puma-mxisp.mxtelecom.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32:13 anyone know how to uninstall mit-scheme. i installed the scheme9 package from ubuntu and it appears to be the same thing. 07:34:56 Checkie [5829@unaffiliated/checkie] has joined #scheme 07:35:51 leppie: You're welcome to suggest such ideas on the list. I admit looking at the pros and cons right now it seems like syntax-rules literals are just broken. 07:39:10 bremner_ [~bremner@yantan.tethera.net] has joined #scheme 07:40:53 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 07:45:10 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:45:10 -!- githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:45:10 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:45:11 -!- xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:45:11 -!- bremner [~bremner@yantan.tethera.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 07:45:29 DT`` [~Feeock@net-93-149-46-184.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #scheme 07:45:42 xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has joined #scheme 07:48:36 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 07:49:19 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 07:52:48 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 07:55:02 hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD113151162160.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 07:55:55 myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 07:57:00 -!- myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59:09 -!- MethedMan [~Methed_Ma@cpe-24-165-108-248.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:13:23 not sure about ubuntu but on OS X, MIT installs everything under /usr/local 08:15:16 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 08:15:27 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 08:18:32 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-52-16.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 08:25:42 myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 08:26:48 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-167.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 08:33:15 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 08:42:09 -!- myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:45:06 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #scheme 08:58:17 breatharian [~dharmatec@cpe-70-117-246-233.rgv.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 08:58:26 I'll just leave this here... http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/gtguw/i_just_released_delectus_10_its_available_for/ 08:58:26 http://tinyurl.com/3p4p6qp 08:58:33 Hi foof 08:59:18 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:59:26 -!- breatharian [~dharmatec@cpe-70-117-246-233.rgv.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 09:00:28 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:06 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 09:03:08 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #scheme 09:03:35 -!- Checkie [5829@unaffiliated/checkie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:08:17 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:09:15 -!- Tasyne [~not4u@c-24-22-232-230.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:09:23 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 09:14:18 femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 09:17:30 -!- pranq [20253@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:51 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-49-168.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:33:15 masm [~masm@2.80.169.236] has joined #scheme 09:34:28 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-49-168.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 09:41:59 _chturne [~chturne@nas45-9.york.ac.uk] has joined #scheme 09:45:01 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.208.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:45:30 -!- chturne [~chturne@144.32.45.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:45:37 -!- _chturne is now known as chturne 09:47:06 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.208.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 09:52:16 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-mgeuadbwbxchgipt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:01:49 myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 10:03:55 -!- myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:49 femtooo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 10:07:44 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08:14 femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 10:10:39 myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 10:10:58 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:14:04 Broa [~Broa@71.Red-81-32-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 10:28:53 Bahman [~Bahman@2.144.245.203] has joined #scheme 10:28:58 -!- monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hello] 10:29:32 Hi all! 10:32:40 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-18-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 10:36:09 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:27 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 10:41:14 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 10:44:07 hi Bahman 10:44:50 Hi amoe. 10:49:57 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-184.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 10:54:34 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 11:00:40 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:01:25 twem2 [~tristan@puma-mxisp.mxtelecom.com] has joined #scheme 11:12:42 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 11:13:07 tupi [~david@189.60.162.71] has joined #scheme 11:22:01 -!- elly [debian-tor@atheme/member/elly] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:24:38 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27:59 fklockii [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 11:33:38 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34:05 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:38:06 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 11:39:38 How to use Cluck (https://github.com/ddp/cluck) in Emacs? 11:39:58 I mean where should I copy the file and how to tell Emacs to use it? 11:40:46 Bahman: the bot on #emacs has generic install instructions (,install) 11:41:01 Thanks bremner_. 11:41:06 typically those are also in the the file. 11:41:25 elly [debian-tor@atheme/member/elly] has joined #scheme 11:42:28 Silly me. I didn't view the file at all. (blush) 11:43:42 emacs takes "self-documenting" seriously ;) 11:47:35 -!- myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:32 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:23 Great. 11:49:51 Every file I open in Emacs ends up with lots of h,j,k and l. Vi hangovers :-) 11:51:30 myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 11:53:30 -!- ddp [~ddp@58.137.63.55] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:54:05 -!- xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 11:54:05 -!- EarlGray [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 11:54:06 -!- rmrfchik [~rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has quit [*.net *.split] 11:54:06 -!- yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 11:54:06 -!- sjamaan [~sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has quit [*.net *.split] 11:55:12 ray_ [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has joined #scheme 11:55:13 -!- myu2 [~myu2@KD210249054068.ec-userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55:13 EarlGray [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has joined #scheme 11:56:03 -!- ray [ray@xkcd-sucks.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:57:54 -!- jrtayloriv [~jrtaylori@207-118-96-79.stat.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:57:55 Bahman: Use viper-mode. 11:58:27 Searching for Viper... 12:00:35 xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has joined #scheme 12:00:35 rmrfchik [~rmrfchik@linuxhacker.ru] has joined #scheme 12:00:35 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 12:00:35 sjamaan [~sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has joined #scheme 12:00:53 Cool. Thanks antoszka. 12:00:56 np 12:20:30 femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 12:22:06 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 12:22:09 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 12:23:27 ventonegro [~alex@187.37.130.73] has joined #scheme 12:24:22 Is there any way to enable autocompletion with TAB in editor/REPL buffer? 12:31:35 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:32:12 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 12:34:02 Bahman: it depends on the mode. geiser can do that, dunno about cluck (but geiser doesn't support chicken scheme afaik) 12:34:28 Nobody uses cluck. Try chicken-slime instead 12:34:45 *sjamaan* wonders what the deal is with quack 12:34:59 Everybody's using it (or derivatives like cluck), but it doesn't add much 12:37:39 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:49:09 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 12:58:06 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #scheme 13:05:05 chri2008 [~christian@245.122-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #scheme 13:05:05 -!- chri2008 [~christian@245.122-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Client Quit] 13:05:25 chri2008 [~christian@245.122-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #scheme 13:06:59 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-167.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:07:58 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:16:55 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 13:18:17 Thanks bremner_ and sjamaan. 13:22:59 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 13:31:21 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:40:47 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:27 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-18-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:47:39 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 13:55:36 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-168289.home.otenet.gr] has joined #scheme 13:55:42 aisa [~aisa@c-68-35-164-105.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:57:15 -!- hiyuh [~hiyuh@KD113151162160.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:57:53 peddie [~peddie@18.181.2.107] has joined #scheme 14:10:15 stis [~stis@82.182.254.46] has joined #scheme 14:14:16 xian_ [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has joined #scheme 14:14:25 -!- peddie [~peddie@18.181.2.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:15:05 sjamaan_ [~sjamaan@80.101.127.174] has joined #scheme 14:15:18 bzzbzz_ [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 14:16:02 -!- xian [xian@we-are-the-b.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:02 -!- yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:03 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:03 -!- sjamaan [~sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:30 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 14:20:33 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 14:21:56 femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 14:23:15 foof, as someone who maintains a large macro with lots of literals, i think they're broken iff they're not bound 14:28:00 peddie [~peddie@18.181.2.107] has joined #scheme 14:43:04 vaasu [~faya@60.51.107.201] has joined #scheme 14:43:52 hi, im looking for an online pretty printer for scheme or other languages which uses s-expressions 14:43:53 myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #scheme 14:48:03 samth: I agree with you on that, but I think the need is to make syntax literals easier to use, and as an simple example, as soon as they are bound the complexity starts 14:48:23 vaasu: lisp.paste.org maybe? 14:48:34 vaasu: errr 14:48:44 vaasu: paste.lisp.org :) 14:49:56 say I have a macro called FOO, with a MAP syntax literal. Now in R6RS, I would bind that to MAP from the lists library. But say some person decides to use MAP from SRFI1, and exclude MAP from lists library (ok, guess I need to start calling it module ;p), that just causes a whole lot of grief. 14:50:32 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-49-168.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:45 leppie [~lolcow@196-215-49-168.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 14:51:21 now you are forced to rename either 14:52:07 but I cant see anyother way of doing it without allowing some funky hygiene 14:54:28 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:54:55 and bound wins here, as it will give you the error at the earlist possible time 14:55:11 s/earlist/earliest/ 14:55:25 binary_crayon [~binary_cr@pp002332dca816.usask.ca] has joined #scheme 14:55:40 copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 14:55:40 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:55:40 copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has joined #scheme 14:55:51 leppie, i agree that this gets into trouble, potentially 14:55:58 -!- binary_crayon [~binary_cr@pp002332dca816.usask.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:19 if only it could be easier to use... 14:56:34 but i think the troubles it causes are mostly fixable, whereas with unbound literals, the problems are unfixable 14:57:09 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:57:10 thats the conclusion I have always ended with 14:57:16 -!- em is now known as emma 14:57:16 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:57:43 for example, in `match' in Racket, the literals are currently unbound 14:57:49 which is problematic 14:58:04 with syntax-case it is not hard to write a transform that can behave on literal syntax literals however 14:58:11 -!- emma is now known as em 14:58:33 if they were bound, then redefininig `cons' would mean that you need to write a new match expander to match your new version of pairs 14:58:41 which is work 14:58:42 ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has joined #scheme 14:58:44 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Client Quit] 14:58:46 which I have done in some cases because I was stubborn :) 14:59:29 but with unbound literals, when you get into these situations, there's just nothing you can do 15:00:39 oh, i've written code like that many times 15:01:18 does match define cons as syntax literal though? 15:01:49 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02:08 bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 15:02:27 no, it looks for it explicitly in syntax-case 15:03:19 im getting timeouts from paste.lisp.org C-Keen :( 15:03:22 mmc1 [~michal@salm-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has joined #scheme 15:04:09 samth: so it looks for a cons pattern? 15:04:19 leppie, yes 15:05:05 ok, i understand 15:05:39 vaasu: ah me too today 15:05:50 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06:15 can it pretty print a s-exp which is in the form of a single line? 15:07:36 vaasu: usually your scheme system does this also for you 15:07:43 not online though 15:12:10 the thing is.. i have a tree in s-exp from, want to dislay as an intended tree.. :# 15:12:52 which scheme are you using? 15:13:27 most provide a procedure pretty-print or pp that do indentation 15:13:32 on an output port 15:14:21 dr-racket 15:14:40 ymasory [~ymasory@frank.ldc.upenn.edu] has joined #scheme 15:14:42 -!- sjamaan_ is now known as sjamaan 15:14:48 -!- sjamaan [~sjamaan@80.101.127.174] has quit [Changing host] 15:14:48 sjamaan [~sjamaan@netbsd/developer/sjamaan] has joined #scheme 15:15:33 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:15:42 -!- lbc_ [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:29 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 15:17:50 ijp [~user@host86-150-186-147.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 15:21:36 framling [~user@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:23:36 I feel like I could probably write a scheme program that runs my department better than my boss. 15:28:31 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:35 rramsden [~rramsden@s64-180-62-209.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #scheme 15:28:50 Indeed, I always feel like that oo. 15:28:51 too. 15:32:48 you're assuming that rationality is preferable 15:33:16 it's overrated and there may be a method to his irrationality and/or madness 15:33:39 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-2-5.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:34:07 But in practice, if you have to spend 8 hours a day on the C++ code, plus two hours commuting, you won't really have time to rewrite it in lisp soon enough to keep your sanity. 15:35:06 And if you don't spend those 8 hours at your boss', then he won't pay you, and quickly you won't be motivated to rewrite it in lisp either. 15:35:39 nome: I don't think so. We were about $60k short of our inventory target this year. Worst department ever. 15:37:34 framling: see, he's pushing all of you towards a better career in other, better places. well played, boss. now you need to follow up and complete act two: jump the ship. 15:41:34 that the company allows him to go short $60K without replacing him means that the company has more fundamental problems. he knows it and is trying to tell you, in a manner that does not violate his ethical duty to the company, to rescue yourself. 15:42:11 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:42:33 Question is, why does he not rescue himself? It would solve everybody's problems, much more economically. ;-) 15:42:48 *nome* is another corporate drone, so I know how it's actually 15:43:11 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 15:43:18 cky: the company has a bigger problem and he's being a good leader by staying behind until everyone is safe 15:44:11 Ah. :-P 15:47:15 -!- mmc1 [~michal@salm-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:50:35 -!- hkBst [~quassel@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:10 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 15:51:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 15:52:30 ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has joined #scheme 15:52:58 -!- Broa [~Broa@71.Red-81-32-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:53:55 -!- milli [~milli@rasler.acmeps.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:54:44 pdlogan [~patrick@c-76-27-203-101.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has 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21:00:51 sashimiblade [~sashimibl@c-71-61-119-91.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:01:03 hello! 21:01:08 -!- drdo` is now known as drdo 21:01:34 anyone know how to implement a tail recursive function that is meant to be curried? 21:02:53 sashimiblade: thos concepts are orthogonal. 21:03:27 -!- blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:44 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 21:03:50 -!- stis_ [~stis@host-90-235-209-60.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:51 orthangonal? 21:04:44 femtooo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 21:04:55 Meaning one thing has nothing to do with the other. 21:07:57 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:08:45 Well, here's the problem I am having. I want to implement a function that looks up a key in a list of lists, the inner list has the left value as its key, the right value is the value the key maps to. Here's the code: (define getval 21:08:49 (lambda (charmap) 21:08:52 (lambda (key) 21:08:54 (cond ((eq? key (car (car charmap))) (car (cdr (car charmap)))) 21:08:57 (else (getval charmap key)))))) 21:09:39 And I keep getting errors pertaining to the number of arguments given in the function at the tail. 21:09:52 Sorry if this is a noob question, I admit to being one. 21:09:58 sashimiblade: scheme doesn't really implement currying, like Haskell might do. 21:10:10 sashimiblade: however, there's a strange syntactic approximation. 21:10:23 sashimiblade, how many arguments did you define GETVAL to have, and how many did you pass it? 21:11:05 -!- LN^off is now known as LN^^ 21:11:45 pothos_ [~pothos@111-240-169-22.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 21:12:05 It accepts one on the first call, when I do (define myget (getval charmap)) 21:12:32 sashimiblade: currying in lisp is really done with lambda. 21:12:50 (define (getval charmap key) (cond ((eq? key (car (car charmap))) (car (cdr (car charmap)))) (else (getval charmap key)))) 21:12:54 Oh that last line should be (else (getval (cdr charmap) key))) so it pops one off for the next instance to evaluate 21:13:06 -!- pothos [~pothos@111-240-167-237.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:17 -!- pothos_ is now known as pothos 21:13:19 And then: ((lambda (charmap) (lambda (key) (getval charmap key))) charmap) --> # 21:13:19 sashimiblade, and how many arguments did you pass to GETVAL in the recursive call? 21:14:17 (define ((getval charmap) key) (cond ((eq? key (car (car charmap))) (car (cdr (car charmap)))) (else ((getval (cdr charmap)) key)))) ((getval '((a 1) (b 2))) 'b) --> 2 21:14:18 Two I guess. Then how can I pass the reduced charmap to the function? 21:14:30 If you define getval to take one, then you should pass it one. 21:14:39 -!- femtooo [~femto@95-89-249-242-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:11 sashimiblade: in languages where currying is implemented natively, there is always a single one parameter to each function. It may be a tuple, but it's still a single entity. 21:21:36 ah, I see 21:22:10 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 21:22:12 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 21:41:48 mceier [~mceier@89-77-208-118.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #scheme 21:43:30 -!- bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:45:24 -!- EarlGray [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:45:34 EarlGray [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has joined #scheme 21:52:43 -!- Broa [~Broa@71.Red-81-32-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:56:25 Riastradh: Did you know about "Do not provide query predictions in the search box," by the way? It seems to remove one of your long-standing Google-gripes. 22:01:19 Nope. 22:01:35 Grave caveat, though: it requires logging in. 22:01:45 (I believe.) 22:02:07 No, that's not true; it's under "Search settings." 22:02:37 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:03:02 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:05:39 samth: Yes, your match macro (and mine) would not technically be portable. They would work on all sane implementations, and some insane implementations would still be able to use and contribute to 90% of modules. 22:05:58 Not that I'm advocating this, just listing it as a possibility and entertaining the idea "what if?" 22:08:08 Nshag [~none@AClermont-Ferrand-551-1-76-211.w92-143.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 22:14:50 -!- rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:16:42 foof, that's not what i meant 22:17:05 i mean that if you use unbound identifiers, the user of your macro can't fix the issues this causes 22:17:09 rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #scheme 22:17:12 -!- choas [~lars@p578F6D07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:17:19 whereas if you use bound identifiers, the issues are user-fixable 22:20:26 _]/ 22:20:27 ]: 22:20:43 Hi, foof's cat. 22:21:01 foof's cat, do you have a name? You have such a presence in this channel that it seems strange not to have a name for you. 22:21:09 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:23:10 :P 22:23:28 evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:29:33 -!- pantsd [~hkarau@nat/uwaterloo/x-oxwsffsukpuifkou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:30:54 -!- Fare [~Fare@206.83.64.178.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:25 foof 2? 22:54:37 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 23:02:43 -!- mceier [~mceier@89-77-208-118.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:03:49 drdo` [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 23:05:39 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:06:14 -!- aisa [~aisa@c-68-35-164-105.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 23:07:49 -!- LN^^ is now known as LN^off 23:09:32 -!- hotblack23 [~jh@p5B30F8A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:10 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:13:21 There are two cats, the one who usually types is Samara, or Sam for short. 23:18:04 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:31:35 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38:43 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@155.98.68.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:38:48 lbc_ [~quassel@1908ds1-aboes.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #scheme 23:50:59 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:57:01 preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme