00:01:48 foof: whats new? javascript formatting? 00:02:18 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:02:47 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:04:20 I don't know, Broa, but it needs to satisfy certain properties such as supporting memory-mapped I/O, supporting taking an arbitrary and possibly buffered octet source or sink and getting from it a Unicode code point source or sink, supporting repositioning the octet pointer and reflecting the position change correctly, &c. 00:06:55 I agree on memory-mapped I/O. 00:06:57 It also needs to deal with talking to ttys, guaranteed asynchronous I/O and guaranteed synchronous I/O, and other messes like those. 00:08:16 (What I mean by `guaranteed (a)synchronous I/O' is the opposite of what you get with Unix where the read and write operations may block or not depending on state that you can't actually rely on. Of course, it's hard to actually implement guaranteed (a)synchronous I/O on top of that, but you can make an effort, at least, that won't require duplicating the logic in every application.) 00:08:49 To what extent should the standard specify that? What if a system doesn't support some of the features (i.e. no ttys)? 00:09:50 Scheme needs an I/O abstraction that does not preclude any of these things working well. It's OK if the standard doesn't include them, of course. 00:13:08 It would be nice to have some kind of standard access to sockets too. 00:13:27 So that every implementation doesn't do it's own thing. 00:16:37 Also, not related, but I feel somewhat bad for writing this today: 00:16:44 (define (take n ls) (map (lambda (a b) b) (iota n) ls)) 00:17:31 Sometimes I feel the solutions I like are always the less efficient ones. 00:22:38 tizoc: js formatting, tabular (columnar with auto-sizing widths) and bugfixes 00:23:53 Riastradh: I don't think a port interface is the best way to handle mmap. Better to have an mmap procedure that returns a blob. 00:29:08 Regarding (a)sync I/O, it's hard to say if the standard precludes it or not until we have a sane implementation of it and realize what it requires. 00:29:20 -!- subtextfuge [~subtextfu@211.Red-79-159-71.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #scheme 00:33:18 cbrannon [~cbrannon@gentoo/developer/cbrannon] has joined #scheme 00:38:34 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 00:38:50 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has joined #scheme 00:45:07 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:46:29 -!- Broa [~Broa@105.Red-88-27-236.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Broa] 00:48:32 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:03:18 -!- masm [~masm@bl15-129-218.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:03:34 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:10:12 Re foof's last comment, I want to experiment with implementing async I/O in Chibi. Granted, given my background, it would be heavily biased towards how Java 7 does it, but, it'd be some sort of starting point. 01:11:29 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12:42 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 01:12:45 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has joined #scheme 01:18:32 ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:26:19 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:30:06 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-pgligtfzhdkastmx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34:00 geoffhill [~geoffhill@wireless-165-124-144-219.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has joined #scheme 01:38:50 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-ilxrdeatddzcpvxr] has joined #scheme 01:39:44 ymasory [~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:40:04 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:46:29 Riastradh, Why are monads a red herring? 01:47:21 Why are cherries like a wild mustang? 01:47:43 you're offby1. 01:48:12 that I am 01:49:25 cky, do you own Chibi? 01:52:09 -!- Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has quit [] 01:54:32 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 01:57:23 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:59:33 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 02:03:15 -!- evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:05:04 evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:05:18 Hal9k [~Lernaean@unaffiliated/kusanagi] has joined #scheme 02:07:45 appamatto: No, foof does. 02:08:33 appamatto: foof is one of the editors of the upcoming R7RS standard. Because he's also the maintainer of Chibi, Chibi is currently a reference implementation of the R7RS stuff. 02:09:36 (Although, in the Scheme world, there is no such thing as "the" reference implementation, so other implementations may well step up to the plate at a later stage.) 02:10:02 -!- evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:10:33 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:10:44 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:13:27 appamatto: That makes Chibi the perfect playground for experimenting with stuff that one might consider proposing for inclusion in R7RS, because most of the other R7RS draft functionality is already in place, and you don't have to reimplement a zillion things. 02:14:44 evhan [~evhan@dyn-196-102.vpn.wisc.edu] has joined #scheme 02:18:22 Interesting. Anything particularly awesome in R7RS? 02:19:33 -!- xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-ilxrdeatddzcpvxr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:21:01 appamatto: Yes. It's a big improvement on both R5RS and R6RS. :-P 02:21:57 appamatto: Have you read R7RS draft 1 yet? 02:39:54 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:40:39 I think I read a brief synopsis 02:40:48 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 02:40:55 Is the draft intended to be read by lay people? :p 02:43:00 appamatto: It's a standard - it's more approachable than most language standards, but still not light reading. 02:44:54 xwl_ [~user@nat/nokia/x-xncasiladeiunbux] has joined #scheme 02:45:43 foof: I learnt Scheme from reading R5RS. Seriously! 03:07:39 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@users-146-140.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:10:48 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:11:49 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 03:27:00 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 03:37:40 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-207.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:38:09 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-187-135.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:39:09 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-187-135.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45:30 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:48:54 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-187-135.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 03:57:33 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:58:37 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 03:59:24 -!- tippenein [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110323142937]] 04:09:07 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:24:48 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:25:05 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:28:21 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@87.96.152.79] has joined #scheme 04:28:45 Wizard_Maste [~Wizard_Ma@ool-4357c2e7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 04:31:05 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31:34 hello. 04:34:17 -!- evhan [~evhan@dyn-196-102.vpn.wisc.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36:17 -!- Wizard_Maste [~Wizard_Ma@ool-4357c2e7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:37:07 Wizard_Maste [~Wizard_Ma@ool-4357c2e7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 04:37:15 hello 04:37:45 -!- lambdadaniel [~kvirc@71.138.132.156] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 04:37:50 hola 04:37:58 como estas? 04:37:59 lol 04:38:15 I need help with defining a datatype for an array 04:39:07 actually for array values, im extending an interpreter lang with explicit-refs using arrays 04:39:54 evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:40:12 any clues 04:41:49 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:43:09 aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has joined #scheme 04:43:26 ?????/ 04:45:30 Scheme has vectors. SRFI-25 provides multi-dimensional arrays. 04:48:09 yeah, but im supposed to define a datatype for array values and references to location for this assignment 04:48:10 lol 04:49:21 this is what i've been working on: http://codepad.org/9CD8byuE 04:51:05 Wizard_Maste: Just plagiarise most of the SRFI 25 code for your assignment. ;-) (You did not hear this from me.) 04:52:08 ok 04:52:30 what does SRFI-25 stand for? 04:53:20 SRFI (pronounced "surfie") stands for Scheme Request for Implementation, which is a way for people to add functionality to Scheme in a portable way. 04:53:24 http://srfi.schemers.org/ 04:53:31 SRFI 25 implements multi-dimensional arrays. 04:53:39 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-25/srfi-25.html 04:53:41 yeah 04:53:46 im reading it, thx 04:53:49 :-D 04:54:24 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 04:55:35 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:00:17 -!- Wizard_Maste 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-!- masm [~masm@bl19-169-236.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:44:29 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:45:32 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #scheme 08:57:57 -!- AtnNn [~welcome@modemcable060.239-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:00:18 blueadept [~blueadept@unaffiliated/blueadept] has joined #scheme 09:02:19 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-8-93.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:03:10 eli: Rather than spend another few messages on SO explaining my comment, "cheap" means "cheapskate", like, "I can't believe you used such a cheapass solution to this problem!". 09:03:51 eli: Agree that it has less pedagogical value than manually looping, except perhaps to teach the decorator pattern. ;-) 09:04:59 What are other synonyms for "cheap" in this context..."lazy" comes to mind. 09:05:48 Like, for example, if you're asked to write a function to sum a given list, a cheap/lazy solution is (define (sum l) (apply + l)). 09:06:39 -!- leppie [~lolcow@196-215-49-168.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:07:35 leppie [~lolcow@196.215.49.168] has joined #scheme 09:09:15 Whereas a more pedagogical solution would be: (define (sum l) (let loop ((l l) (r 0)) (if (null? l) r (loop (cdr l) (+ r (car l)))))) 09:09:33 (Though, that's only "more pedagogical" if it then leads to a discussion about fold.) 09:11:44 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has joined #scheme 09:14:44 cky: in what sense is "verbose" more pedagogical? 09:15:16 ah, i see: if it entails dialectic. 09:16:30 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Client Quit] 09:16:45 klutometis: The context of the above discussion is http://stackoverflow.com/q/5700232/13 09:17:18 klutometis: whereby Eli was saying that my solution was not very pedagogical, and I was basically trying to say that it wasn't meant to be. ;-) 09:19:12 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I won't even reply for a while because that encourages them to reply immediately without thinking. 14:50:44 yeah 14:50:50 Also, doesn't Chibi have a module system? 14:51:05 yes 14:51:13 So he has no idea who he's talking to then 14:52:47 Or didn't pay attention to the announcement stating Chibi as a reference implementation (which was _not_ included to promote Chibi). 14:53:29 He's just shooting from the hip 14:53:36 Maybe because he dislikes R7 14:54:24 stis_ [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 14:54:59 His points are worth discussing, but it would be easier to discuss if he actually listened to what I was saying instead of assuming I don't know what I'm talking about. 14:55:12 Now I'll have to formulate his arguments for him. 14:55:25 Which I'll do in the morning, good night all. 14:55:30 Good night foof 14:55:32 Sleep well 14:57:43 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:57:43 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:58:41 foof: oh night :| best is to get some extreme use cases to explain the issues. Auxilliary syntax is painful as it is in R6RS, but I have to agree with Andre here. 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are a pain... 18:22:51 yeah, but that's no reason to be an ass about it 18:23:10 Maybe we ought to do away with them and replace them by a better mechanism. Why can't a macro expand to a COND clause? A better answer to that might lead to a better answer to SYNTAX-RULES literals. 18:23:14 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 18:23:37 githogori [~githogori@216.207.36.222] has joined #scheme 18:25:18 Are you referring to , sjamaan? I don't think Andre is being an ass. I think he spent a lot of time and effort taking many different approaches to implementing macros and learning just how hard they are -- and just how simple they may seem to someone who has not spent the same time and effort. 18:25:19 http://tinyurl.com/3ga6psq 18:26:11 Riastradh: foof has spent the time and effort to make an implementation. He's treating him like a cluebie 18:26:58 would it not just be a better idea to export them with some context, eg like only within a macro usage? anyways, that is my biggest pain with it 18:28:01 Broa [~Broa@71.Red-81-32-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:28:23 -!- stis_ [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:28:47 for instance (cond else =>) where the latter is only bound with the cond body 18:29:17 s/with/within/ 18:43:10 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #scheme 18:43:13 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:44:01 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:09 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 18:45:08 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 18:48:34 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:48:48 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 18:52:35 -!- masm [~masm@bl19-169-236.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:53:02 stis_ [~stis@host-95-193-67-216.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 18:53:28 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 18:56:42 any news with the T revival process? 19:07:46 -!- EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:04 sjamaan, Andre also built an implementation, and has a lot of good points that foof seems to be missing 19:09:20 z0d, I think they've added a crank-start :) 19:09:41 does anyone work on it at all? 19:09:54 EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #scheme 19:11:02 only zombie henry ford 19:12:57 -!- saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 19:13:25 saiko-chriskun [~chris-kun@fsf/member/saiko-chriskun] has joined #scheme 19:14:00 masm [~masm@2.80.169.236] has joined #scheme 19:15:05 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:15:11 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:15:19 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:16:40 EbiDK_ [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #scheme 19:17:37 -!- stis_ [~stis@host-95-193-67-216.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:17:46 -!- EbiDK [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:18:07 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-68.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:21:01 monqy [~chap@pool-71-102-217-117.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 19:22:16 -!- EbiDK_ [~ebi@3e6b7ac3.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Bah, stupid connection... *goes to read, at least dead tree books don't have these issues*] 19:24:44 stis [~stis@host-95-193-67-216.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #scheme 19:26:21 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:26:58 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 19:29:54 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:30:24 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.208.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #scheme 19:31:50 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 19:31:51 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 19:32:10 evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 19:34:23 leppie: thanks. 19:34:47 Have you guys seen this, by the way? 19:35:15 I'm still undecided as to whether it's a useful toy, or merely a toy. 19:35:20 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #scheme 19:36:07 -!- evhan [~evhan@76-250-39-229.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:39:21 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:41:38 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02:55 bweaver [~user@host-68-169-175-225.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 20:06:57 -!- masm [~masm@2.80.169.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:31 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 20:14:36 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #scheme 20:15:31 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:59 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 20:27:13 jrtayloriv [~jrtaylori@207-118-96-79.stat.centurytel.net] has joined #scheme 20:27:29 -!- stis [~stis@host-95-193-67-216.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:29 -!- copumpkin [~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:27:38 aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.68] has joined #scheme 20:30:26 sjamaan: nice comments on the r7rs draft, btw; especially about s: that always did strike me as unnecessary and ad-hoc. 20:31:52 ty 20:34:04 -!- ckrailo [~ckrailo@208.86.167.249] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:36:53 i can't believe i've embarked on reading the emacs manual, btw; i once came across someone that read it periodically like mormons or pilgrims do their respective holy texts: as a kind of reaffirmation of neural pathways. 20:36:56 masm [~masm@2.80.169.236] has joined #scheme 20:37:24 i've developed so many ad-hoc idiosyncrasies of usage over ten years, though; i think it's time for discipline. 20:47:22 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:50:16 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-167.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:33 atomx` [~user@86.35.150.23] has joined #scheme 20:59:49 -!- rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:00:59 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #scheme 21:06:59 ckrailo [~ckrailo@129.110.242.7] has joined #scheme 21:46:31 -!- DT`` [~Feeock@net-93-149-41-186.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:46:46 Nils^ [hammerfest@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-kiaiuaemuwbfgzdz] has joined #scheme 21:47:48 hi people. I have very long strings I want to use. Is there a better way than creating a string with define. I don'T want to backslash all those stuff in there, but I don't want to load from an external file neither. 21:47:56 -!- aisa [~aisa@173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: aisa] 21:48:35 Nils^: Some schemes allow heredoc-like syntax 21:48:38 #< .... 21:48:40 EOF 21:48:49 Guile here 21:49:40 I don't know if it allows for reader extensions. If it does, you could roll your own 21:51:01 #< it basically comes down to storing Scheme code as string, btw. 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